DFW Sportsbeat - Looks like Marty B and MBIII will be traded if...

[igtmfo]

Man a 5 for Barber seems so low. But that's the going rate for gently-used veterans this offseason. What did Henny Youngman say, "Take my wife, please."

Maybe a 5 plus a conditional low-rounder in 2011 for Barber. Just a little bit to sweeten it and I would feel better. ... It may be a small consideration, but since Felix won't play special teams now and Choice will be given a chance to shine more, Choice will probably be relieved of special teams headhunting duty. That leaves Barber, whose carries will probably be limited just because of his injury history, and he doesn't play special teams, so he wouldn't be on the field but for maybe 7-8 carries a game. Maybe we have targeted a low-round RB who can tear it up on special teams and may develop as a runner given time.

BTW what was the Bengals offer for Marty B. last season, was it ever figured out? ... I recollect hearing it might have been a 2nd rounder and Chris Henry.

 

[CATCH17]

according to you, there is a chance, albeit bc there always is a chance, that Berry falls to 12..you wouldnt deal MB + MB 3 + 27 for him?

No. I put what Marty B does at a premium and if we lose him AND Barber than we just lost 3 of our best pass protectors this offseason.

At least let me keep 1 of the 3. Im trying to not get Romo killed.

 

[JBS]

No. I put what Marty B does at a premium and if we lose him AND Barber than we just lost 3 of our best pass protectors this offseason.

At least let me keep 1 of the 3. Im trying to not get Romo killed.

I am just asking..I hear you man..I am one of Bennetts biggest supporters..

 

[lkelly]

You people that are blinded by Martellus' twitter posts seem to think I'm comparing him to Fasano as players straight up. You are missing the point - I'm comparing what they delivered relative to what the teams spent on them. Miami gave up roughly a 6th rounder for Fasano and has twice the production that our 2nd rounder that same year has. For those that throw out the "he's stuck behind the best TE in the game!" card, then why draft a TE in the second round? Purely looking at the ROI (that's return on investment for you acronym challenged), Fasano has been a value for a 6th rounder (for Miami) while Bennett has been an abject failure for us as a 2nd rounder.

And for those that think I'm in love with Fasano, he was an abject failure for Dallas as a second rounder. Notice the trend.

For all the good that the Witten pick was in the third, the 2nd rounders spent on Fasano and Bennett were wastes to date. Perhaps Bennett blows up this year in Dallas, but considering his catches are trending downwards and his intelligence seems to be following close behind, I wouldn't bet on it.

Somebody on this message board actually did bet on it last fall. How did that work out? I recall numerous people supporting the fantasy that Bennett would have starting TE numbers... He'll be lucky to get to 60 catches by year 4 in Dallas.

 

[Section446]

You people that are blinded by Martellus' twitter posts seem to think I'm comparing him to Fasano as players straight up. You are missing the point - I'm comparing what they delivered relative to what the teams spent on them. Miami gave up roughly a 6th rounder for Fasano and has twice the production that our 2nd rounder that same year has. For those that throw out the "he's stuck behind the best TE in the game!" card, then why draft a TE in the second round? Purely looking at the ROI (that's return on investment for you acronym challenged), Fasano has been a value for a 6th rounder (for Miami) while Bennett has been an abject failure for us as a 2nd rounder.

And for those that think I'm in love with Fasano, he was an abject failure for Dallas as a second rounder. Notice the trend.

For all the good that the Witten pick was in the third, the 2nd rounders spent on Fasano and Bennett were wastes to date. Perhaps Bennett blows up this year in Dallas, but considering his catches are trending downwards and his intelligence seems to be following close behind, I wouldn't bet on it.

Somebody on this message board actually did bet on it last fall. How did that work out? I recall numerous people supporting the fantasy that Bennett would have starting TE numbers... He'll be lucky to get to 60 catches by year 4 in Dallas.

Perhaps we just blow at drafting TE's. Though, I thought that Bennett made more sense at the time than Fasano did.

 

[CATCH17]

You people that are blinded by Martellus' twitter posts seem to think I'm comparing him to Fasano as players straight up. You are missing the point - I'm comparing what they delivered relative to what the teams spent on them. Miami gave up roughly a 6th rounder for Fasano and has twice the production that our 2nd rounder that same year has. For those that throw out the "he's stuck behind the best TE in the game!" card, then why draft a TE in the second round? Purely looking at the ROI (that's return on investment for you acronym challenged), Fasano has been a value for a 6th rounder (for Miami) while Bennett has been an abject failure for us as a 2nd rounder.

And for those that think I'm in love with Fasano, he was an abject failure for Dallas as a second rounder. Notice the trend.

For all the good that the Witten pick was in the third, the 2nd rounders spent on Fasano and Bennett were wastes to date. Perhaps Bennett blows up this year in Dallas, but considering his catches are trending downwards and his intelligence seems to be following close behind, I wouldn't bet on it.

Somebody on this message board actually did bet on it last fall. How did that work out? I recall numerous people supporting the fantasy that Bennett would have starting TE numbers... He'll be lucky to get to 60 catches by year 4 in Dallas.

Thats because Garrett was pumping up the double Dynamite all offseason.

"We will line up in run formations and then motion into passing formations and vice versa."

Sounds good but when Romo drops back 2 pass it didn't matter if Bennett was open or not. He wasn't getting the ball thrown his way.

 

[EPL0c0]

A look back at Dallas' 5th round picks in the last 30 years

2009 - DeAngelo Smith (DB), Mike Hamlin (DB), David Buehler (K)
2008 - Orlando Scandrick (CB)
2007 - NO PICK
2006 - Pat Watkins (FS)
2005 - NO PICK
2004 - Sean Ryan (TE)
2003 - NO PICK
2002 - Pete Hunter (CB)
2001 - Matt Lehr (C)
2000 - Michael Wiley (RB)
1999 - NO PICK
1998 - Darren Hambrick (RB), Oliver Ross (T)
1997 - NO PICK
1996 - Kenneth McDaniel (?)
1995 - Edward Hervey (WR), Dana Howard (LB)
1994 - NO PICK
1993 - NO PICK
1992 - Greg Briggs (DB), Rod Milstead (G)
1991 - Kevin Harris (DE)
1990 - NO PICK
1989 - Keith Jennings (TE), Willis Crocket (TE), Jeff Roth (?)
1988 - NO PICK
1987 - Everett Gay (WR)
1986 - NO PICK
1985 - Hershel Walker (RB), Matt Darwin (?)
1984 - Steve Pelluer (QB), Norm Granger (RB)
1983 - Chuck McSwain (RB)
1982 - Monty Hunter (DB), Phil Pozderac (T)
1981 - Danny Spradlin (LB)
1980 - Gary Hogeboom (QB)

 

[Section446]

A look back at Dallas' 5th round picks in the last 30 years

2009 - DeAngelo Smith (DB), Mike Hamlin (DB), David Buehler (K)
2008 - Orlando Scandrick (CB)
2007 - NO PICK
2006 - Pat Watkins (FS)
2005 - NO PICK
2004 - Sean Ryan (TE)
2003 - NO PICK
2002 - Pete Hunter (CB)
2001 - Matt Lehr (C)
2000 - Michael Wiley (RB)
1999 - NO PICK
1998 - Darren Hambrick (RB), Oliver Ross (T)
1997 - NO PICK
1996 - Kenneth McDaniel (?)
1995 - Edward Hervey (WR), Dana Howard (LB)
1994 - NO PICK
1993 - NO PICK
1992 - Greg Briggs (DB), Rod Milstead (G)
1991 - Kevin Harris (DE)
1990 - NO PICK
1989 - Keith Jennings (TE), Willis Crocket (TE), Jeff Roth (?)
1988 - NO PICK
1987 - Everett Gay (WR)
1986 - NO PICK
1985 - Hershel Walker (RB), Matt Darwin (?)
1984 - Steve Pelluer (QB), Norm Granger (RB)
1983 - Chuck McSwain (RB)
1982 - Monty Hunter (DB), Phil Pozderac (T)
1981 - Danny Spradlin (LB)
1980 - Gary Hogeboom (QB)

Not bad lately.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

You people that are blinded by Martellus' twitter posts seem to think I'm comparing him to Fasano as players straight up. You are missing the point - I'm comparing what they delivered relative to what the teams spent on them. Miami gave up roughly a 6th rounder for Fasano and has twice the production that our 2nd rounder that same year has. For those that throw out the "he's stuck behind the best TE in the game!" card, then why draft a TE in the second round? Purely looking at the ROI (that's return on investment for you acronym challenged), Fasano has been a value for a 6th rounder (for Miami) while Bennett has been an abject failure for us as a 2nd rounder.

And for those that think I'm in love with Fasano, he was an abject failure for Dallas as a second rounder. Notice the trend.

For all the good that the Witten pick was in the third, the 2nd rounders spent on Fasano and Bennett were wastes to date. Perhaps Bennett blows up this year in Dallas, but considering his catches are trending downwards and his intelligence seems to be following close behind, I wouldn't bet on it.

Somebody on this message board actually did bet on it last fall. How did that work out? I recall numerous people supporting the fantasy that Bennett would have starting TE numbers... He'll be lucky to get to 60 catches by year 4 in Dallas.

The two TE set used to be our bread and butter.

 

[Kangaroo]

You people that are blinded by Martellus' twitter posts seem to think I'm comparing him to Fasano as players straight up. You are missing the point - I'm comparing what they delivered relative to what the teams spent on them. Miami gave up roughly a 6th rounder for Fasano and has twice the production that our 2nd rounder that same year has. For those that throw out the "he's stuck behind the best TE in the game!" card, then why draft a TE in the second round? Purely looking at the ROI (that's return on investment for you acronym challenged), Fasano has been a value for a 6th rounder (for Miami) while Bennett has been an abject failure for us as a 2nd rounder.

And for those that think I'm in love with Fasano, he was an abject failure for Dallas as a second rounder. Notice the trend.

For all the good that the Witten pick was in the third, the 2nd rounders spent on Fasano and Bennett were wastes to date. Perhaps Bennett blows up this year in Dallas, but considering his catches are trending downwards and his intelligence seems to be following close behind, I wouldn't bet on it.

Somebody on this message board actually did bet on it last fall. How did that work out? I recall numerous people supporting the fantasy that Bennett would have starting TE numbers... He'll be lucky to get to 60 catches by year 4 in Dallas.

Yet we spent a 2nd on Fasno and he produces like a 6th rounder as a starter that they are looking to replace. so we got a 6th round pick from a 2nd round pick; yet Marty has shown more and is at least getting us a value return we may be given a higher 2nd round pick than we drafted him for so I am not sure what you point is Fasno is still a mediocre 2nd round pick playing for another team that gave us a 6th round pick. Yet he is producing at a low grade draft pick rate as a starter.

 

[CanuckCowboysFan]

Jerry don't do it. Bennett is going to be the best overall TE in the game in a couple years. Mark my words. His immaturity aside, he has some serious potential. I can just see Jerry shipping him and Bennett in return is a 1000 yd producer for his new team and everyone on this board would be pulling off '
I told you so's '. I guarantee if we run those 2 TE sets with Witten it'll really open up the field. Don't forget Wittens getting old. Only way I'd let him go is for cincys 21st and even then i'm struggling.

How long did it take Austin to develop? The same people that want Bennett gone are probably the same people that didn't want Romo, Austin. Then when the players start to perform it's a complete 360. All the sudden Romos a saviour. Same thing will happen with MB. Don't do it Jerry.

 

[Aven8]

First of all I don't think they are trading Bennett....he is too valuable as a blocker alone to let loose. And please don't tell me that Phillips can block like Bennett. Go back and look at the tape. Bennett is a stud at the line, remember all the penalty throwdowns? I can't see John Garrett letting him loose this early....look how long we gave Miles and Hurd.

 

[johnnyd]

A look back at Dallas' 5th round picks in the last 30 years

2009 - DeAngelo Smith (DB), Mike Hamlin (DB), David Buehler (K)
2008 - Orlando Scandrick (CB)
2007 - NO PICK
2006 - Pat Watkins (FS)
2005 - NO PICK
2004 - Sean Ryan (TE)
2003 - NO PICK
2002 - Pete Hunter (CB)
2001 - Matt Lehr (C)
2000 - Michael Wiley (RB)
1999 - NO PICK
1998 - Darren Hambrick (RB), Oliver Ross (T)
1997 - NO PICK
1996 - Kenneth McDaniel (?)
1995 - Edward Hervey (WR), Dana Howard (LB)
1994 - NO PICK
1993 - NO PICK
1992 - Greg Briggs (DB), Rod Milstead (G)
1991 - Kevin Harris (DE)
1990 - NO PICK
1989 - Keith Jennings (TE), Willis Crocket (TE), Jeff Roth (?)
1988 - NO PICK
1987 - Everett Gay (WR)
1986 - NO PICK
1985 - Hershel Walker (RB), Matt Darwin (?)
1984 - Steve Pelluer (QB), Norm Granger (RB)
1983 - Chuck McSwain (RB)
1982 - Monty Hunter (DB), Phil Pozderac (T)
1981 - Danny Spradlin (LB)
1980 - Gary Hogeboom (QB)

Nuff said!

 

[Section446]

Jerry don't do it. Bennett is going to be the best overall TE in the game in a couple years. Mark my words. His immaturity aside, he has some serious potential. I can just see Jerry shipping him and Bennett in return is a 1000 yd producer for his new team and everyone on this board would be pulling off '
I told you so's '. I guarantee if we run those 2 TE sets with Witten it'll really open up the field. Don't forget Wittens getting old. Only way I'd let him go is for cincys 21st and even then i'm struggling.

How long did it take Austin to develop? The same people that want Bennett gone are probably the same people that didn't want Romo, Austin. Then when the players start to perform it's a complete 360. All the sudden Romos a saviour. Same thing will happen with MB. Don't do it Jerry.

That's irrelevant, Austin's issues didn't involve acting 10 years younger than your age. I don't think that anyone ever looked at Austin and questioned his morals, work-ethic, or passion for the game.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

What do you really expect for him? Be honest.

Like a third-rounder maybe?

Do ya think?

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

The two TE set used to be our bread and butter.

Yes but Austin makes it less so.

 

[ajk23az]

What do you really expect for him? Be honest.

Honestly, a third. And it would have to be an early to mid third.

 

[7footer]

Well, this is interesting if nothing else...

I suppose this may tie in with Jacksonville's nearly public declaration that they would like to trade out of the #10th spot if possible. And it would likely take both Bennett and Barber, plus our #27th pick in order for us to make it happen.

Jacksonville would be a prime candidate if they are interested in Barber...They already have MJD, but Barber could certainly be used as a closer and a situational back for them.

I think Jacksonville would also be very interested in Bennett, since they only have Mercedes Lewis and rookie Zach Miller. So this trade may make sense in a lot of ways; at least for them.

I'm not sure I would want to trade both Bennett and Barber, along with our #27th pick to move up to the 10th spot...unless Eric Berry was still available. I just don't know if any of the other players at positions of need would be worth taking that big of a gamble on.

Like him or not, Bennett has a HUGE amount of upside and potential...and it may be premature to give up on him so quickly. However, I do understand the reasons we would deal Barber in order to give our other two very capable, and well deserving RB's more carries though; so I do believe this scenario is a possibility.

 

[JBS]

Honestly, a third. And it would have to be an early to mid third.

thats not realistic

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

Yes but Austin makes it less so.

Since the emergence of Austin we've seen less of it, so yes....