Did anyone watch the Cowboys-Vikings replay last night?

[Stash]

That could be the case but I also feel like since those guys are younger they can hold out for a bigger pay day. Griffin and his camp have to be more realistic about his situation with him being older veteran. But hell maybe he saw what guys like Robert Quinn got and feel he should get more.

His expectations are clearly higher than what anyone is willing to pay. I'm just hoping that they might come down to a reasonable level where the Cowboys might sign him. I can offer him at least $8 million that the team is currently wasting right now.

 

[Stash]

Cut Crawford(possibly under appreciated, but now clearly old and injured) and sign Griffen.

100x better use of cap and roster space.

 

[ksg811]

The current crisis is a big reason why Griffen hasn't signed yet. He missed time in 2018 seeking mental health counseling. He had several outbursts with teammates, a police incident, and lived in a sober house for 3 months. Although he had a clean 2019 and insists his troubles are behind him, that sort of recent history is tough for teams to get by with facilities closed and being unable to meet with him in person.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

His expectations are clearly higher than what anyone is willing to pay. I'm just hoping that they might come down to a reasonable level where the Cowboys might sign him. I can offer him at least $8 million that the team is currently wasting right now.

I wonder would the Cowboys do it for 8? Like to me I assume the number is at 8 now.......does it have to come down to like half of that?I also wonder do they potentially hold out to see how low Clowney can go?

 

[The Quest for Six]

I'd love to see Dallas sign Everson Griffen to a short two year deal but I don't see it happening at this point, Smith and Gregory wishful thinking will probably prevent a Griffen signing and he's probably holding out for a long term deal waiting to see what Clowney signs for first...

 

[gjkoeppen]

That and you're very clearly a miserable person by nature.

And those people you place you unquestioned trust in haven't won anything in over 25 years, in case you forgot.

And they also rubber-stamped Taco Charlton, in case you forgot that too.

And Stephen Jones is a "professional" because his last name is Jones. In case you forgot that as well.

And you STILL practice your craft on your couch. Please tell us all about all of the NFL execs that have knocked on your door and sat next to you on your couch and begged you to be their new GM/head of scouting. Gee, I didn't know the Cowboys were the only team to draft a player that turned out to be a bust. I could have sworn I saw every other team over the years do the very same thing, but with how you're reacting to Charlton the Cowboys have to be the first. Ah poor boy is jealous that he's not a son of Jerry that's been the primary negotiator for the Cowboys for the last 5 years. Ya let us know when you get a real NFL title of GM.
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[CowboysFaninHouston]

I checked out some of it and plan to watch it some more today. But in the short time I did watch it, what jumped out to me was the play of current free agent DE Everson Griffen against Tyron Smith. He truly gave our left tackle everything that he could handle, and then some. To be honest, the Vikings front in general outplayed our offensive line. Zeke and the running game ran into a brick wall all night and Minnesota was also able to maintain an excellent pass rush as well.

Watching Griffen perform so well, it reaffirms my beliefs that signing him would be the icing on the cake to a near-perfect offseason. It would solidify the RDE spot and take away the current uncertainty and guesswork at the position.

Free up the money and go sign a true, available, quality RDE.

my only concern and I am not in NFL circles, so I don't know, is if he is worth it, why isn't Minn. resigning him and why hasn't any other NFL team shown interest including us.....something is missing here....

 

[Stash]

I wonder would the Cowboys do it for 8? Like to me I assume the number is at 8 now.......does it have to come down to like half of that?I also wonder do they potentially hold out to see how low Clowney can go?

One person's guess is as good as any as to what the people inside the building think, or how much Griffen will ultimately settle for.

But I think it's undeniable that spending $8 million on a proven RDE like Griffen is smarter than finding somewhere to put Crawford for the same price.

 

[Jarntt]

I'd be okay with signing him, but you won't be able to pick guys like him up if they sign Dak.

Why do you say this? If they sign Dak long term his cap hit this year likely goes down from the $31M+ he currently counts against the cap. Also, you don't bring in a high priced DE at this point unless in a corresponding move you cut Crawford which saves you $8M against the cap. Signing Griffin likely is easily doable under the cap.

 

[Stash]

And you STILL practice your craft on your couch. Please tell us all about all of the NFL execs that have knocked on your door and sat next to you on your couch and begged you to be their new GM/head of scouting. Gee, I didn't know the Cowboys were the only team to draft a player that turned out to be a bust. I could have sworn I saw every other team over the years do the very same thing, but with how you're reacting to Charlton the Cowboys have to be the first. Ah poor boy is jealous that he's not a son of Jerry that's been the primary negotiator for the Cowboys for the last 5 years. Ya let us know when you get a real NFL title of GM.
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And you go ahead and check your brain at the door, slurping up whatever the team gives you. Some of us are actually capable of having our own rational thoughts.

You're an embarrassment.

 

[Stash]

my only concern and I am not in NFL circles, so I don't know, is if he is worth it, why isn't Minn. resigning him and why hasn't any other NFL team shown interest including us.....something is missing here....

Minnesota was up against it with their cap. Griffen voided his contract to get a jump on free agency because he and his agent knew the Vikings couldn't afford him and would have cut him if he hadn't. It was a preemptive strike on their part to get to free agency as quickly as possible.

Their problem has to be their asking price, just as it is for Clowney and Logan Ryan.

 

[gjkoeppen]

His agents are professionals as well.

Silly to think he doesn’t have offers out there though they might not be to his liking. He will either settle for a one year deal or skip camp and may get a little more if someone gets hurt.

Sometimes veterans do this because they don’t wanna do training camp.

Players seldom get more during training camp because by then most of a teams cap space is gone. The players that are really good there is what is commonly referred to a bidding war as soon as free agency starts and the price keeps going up. There has been no bidding war for him.
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[Ranching]

Dak and Cooper were outstanding. Witten was interfered with in the end zone and it wasn't called. Gutless play calling in the Redzone late in the game lost them the game.
Griffen would be great, but I have a feeling that JJ already knows that Aldon and Randy will be reinstated.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

I watched that game about 5 times last year. I saw the same thing. The Vikings defense really handled handled the Cowboys offensive line. What stood out to me is how the Vikings LBs were clean the entire game. Rarely did a Cowboys offensive linemen get off his block and get to the second level before the LB was able to make the play.

On the opposite side of the ball the Vikings OL was able to get out and cut off Smith and LVE, especially in the half. I thought that game epitomized the Cowboys problems on defense for the entire year.

I thought that was a game the Cowboys should have won if not for some sloppiness at crucial times, including some very questionable play calling in the red zone.

I would add passing to Zeke on a short out on 4th and 5 was horrible decision making by Dak. He panicked and missed Cobb sitting down near the right hashmark.

 

[Stash]

Dak and Cooper were outstanding. Witten was interfered with in the end zone and it wasn't called. Gutless play calling in the Redzone late in the game lost them the game.
Griffen would be great, but I have a feeling that JJ already knows that Aldon and Randy will be reinstated.

That non-PI call in the endzone was terrible.

It clearly looked like a make-up call for the iffy one that they did call just a few plays earlier. NFL officials again thinking two wrongs makes a right.

 

[Jarntt]

I watched that game about 5 times last year. I saw the same thing. The Vikings defense really handled handled the Cowboys offensive line. What stood out to me is how the Vikings LBs were clean the entire game. Rarely did a Cowboys offensive linemen get off his block and get to the second level before the LB was able to make the play.

On the opposite side of the ball the Vikings OL was able to get out and cut off Smith and LVE, especially in the half. I thought that game epitomized the Cowboys problems on defense for the entire year.

I thought that was a game the Cowboys should have won if not for some sloppiness at crucial times, including some very questionable play calling in the red zone.

I agree with so much of this. I watched that game on my DVR last week and it was a perfect example of how little fans across the league know about the Cowboys Offense. The standard line is the passing game only goes because of the running game. Well the Vikings completely shut down Zeke and the running game and we passed the ball all over them. Four main reasons we lost that game IMO: coaching/play calling (especially those two runs followed by an out to Zeke on the 2nd to last drive ), special teams, missed tackles and the inability to run the ball.

On your point about the LBs, another thing I noticed if you watch it again: look how far from the LOS our LBs are on most plays and how much closer the Vikings LBs were. Even when our LBs made tackles (usually we whiffed that day) the RB was already into the 2nd or 3rd level.

 

[gjkoeppen]

And you go ahead and check your brain at the door, slurping up whatever the team gives you. Some of us are actually capable of having our own rational thoughts.

You're an embarrassment.

You're the delusional one thinking you know more those that actually get paid to do what you do from your couch. My brain tells me that professionals know more than some amateur sitting on his couch no matter how smart he thinks he is and no matter how HUGE his ego is.
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[Hawkeye0202]

Yes you can

Dude isn’t going to get more than a one year deal at this point. It might be harder to sign him to a long term extension after this year when we sign Dak though...if he warrants it.

Agree 100% .....he and Clowney both can kiss any long-term deal bye. But my guess Griffen is looking for $14-15M. Not sure we'll dol that high but yea I'd love to sign him.

 

[Stash]

I agree with so much of this. I watched that game on my DVR last week and it was a perfect example of how little fans across the league know about the Cowboys Offense. The standard line is the passing game only goes because of the running game. Well the Vikings completely shut down Zeke and the running game and we passed the ball all over them. Four main reasons we lost that game IMO: coaching/play calling (especially those two runs followed by an out to Zeke on the 2nd to last drive ), special teams, missed tackles and the inability to run the ball.

On your point about the LBs, another thing I noticed if you watch it again: look how far from the LOS our LBs are on most plays and how much closer the Vikings LBs were. Even when our LBs made tackles (usually we whiffed that day) the RB was already into the 2nd or 3rd level.

It really bothered me how much our big investment offensive line got owned. Not that the Vikings defensive line isn't good, their defensive ends are very good, but given the Cowboys investments, getting outplayed like that can't happen.

 

[Stash]

You're the delusional one thinking you know more those that actually get paid to do what you do from your couch. My brain tells me that professionals know more than some amateur sitting on his couch no matter how smart he thinks he is and no matter how HUGE his ego is.
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Then feel free to NOT express your opinion here anymore. Based on your self-described notion that none of it matters compared to what the born into it 'professionals' think.