Did we ever find out what was going on with CeeDee Lamb to start the game?

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Whatever his problem was, I'm sure Mr. Walk-a-bout Fat Mike's pep talk was just the thing he needed to hear.
 
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Sydla said:
They drafted Elliott. They drafted Pollard. They tried bellcow TB strategies, they tried TB by committee. They have gone through three different play callers running different styles of offenses. They've had good WR corps (at one point they had Cooper, Lamb and Gallup) and they even stupidly tried WR by committee that was a massive failure.

They've changed a lot over the 8 year period for Dak and the results just never really change. He's a nice QB. He doesn't suck. But he's not leading this team to a SB. I think that's been pretty well proven at this point.
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You're basically just listing all of the stupid things they've done. Like Tony, Dak has to overcome a stupid offensive philosophy to be successful.

Having any approach at RB - other than "can this guy catch the ball and pass protect" - is stupid.
In 2020 all 3 were there for 4.5 games until Dak got hurt - they were on pace to throw for 5,900 yards lol. They only played 7 games together in 2021. At least be genuine if you're going to bring that up. The WR corps has been garbage otherwise.

The changes they make are always bad. The playcallers are bad, the desire to run the ball is bad, the receiving talent is bad, the OL is mediocre sometimes but has mostly been bad, cap allocation is bad.

Nothing has been proven because he never plays in a system with any margin for error. I don't know how you watch that Packers game and think, yea, the Cowboys have a good system! Dak in an environment that isn't constantly asking the QB to play hero ball on third down would be the MVP in a landslide. For the most part this year they tried not to do that, but went backwards in the playoffs. There's no QB in the league who wins that game for Dallas - just as was true in SF.
 
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BoysForLife said:
guy just set the single season Cowboys WR record catching passes from a 1 read stiff and this is how you do him?

There is literally no length you won't go to, to prop Dak up. C'mon man.
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I hate Dak as much as the next guy. But he was the 2nd highest rated QB going to his 2nd read in the NFL
 

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Mac_MaloneV1 said:
You're basically just listing all of the stupid things they've done. Like Tony, Dak has to overcome a stupid offensive philosophy to be successful.

Having any approach at RB - other than "can this guy catch the ball and pass protect" - is stupid.
In 2020 all 3 were there for 4.5 games until Dak got hurt - they were on pace to throw for 5,900 yards lol. They only played 7 games together in 2021. At least be genuine if you're going to bring that up. The WR corps has been garbage otherwise.

The changes they make are always bad. The playcallers are bad, the desire to run the ball is bad, the receiving talent is bad, the OL is mediocre sometimes but has mostly been bad, cap allocation is bad.

Nothing has been proven because he never plays in a system with any margin for error. I don't know how you watch that Packers game and think, yea, the Cowboys have a good system! Dak in an environment that isn't constantly asking the QB to play hero ball on third down would be the MVP in a landslide. For the most part this year they tried not to do that, but went backwards in the playoffs. There's no QB in the league who wins that game for Dallas - just as was true in SF.
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There really is no lengths the Dak-stans will go to prop him up.

So in other words, what you are saying here is that Dak needs a specific system, with a specific set of players in order to succeed?

Everything around him is always bad. The WRs always stink. The OL always stinks. The play callers always stink. The RBs always stink. The HC always stinks. But you know who never, ever, ever stinks? The QB.

Think about the absurdity of this.
 

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If that were to be true it would also be a direct indictment of the storied 'leadership' ability Dak supposedly has.
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Notice the trend. When Dak scuffles, these guys always turn on the other guys around him. Lamb is an All Pro but Dak scuffles in the most important game of the season and suddenly Lamb is a bum, lazy, a baby. They did after the 49ers game two years ago. And then the 49ers game last year. And now doing it again here.

It's always the OL's fault. Or the OCs fault. Or the RBs fault. Or the WRs fault. They are never, ever good enough. They are all so awful that not even the greatness of Dak Prescott can elevate them.

Dak is a nice QB. He's a good QB. He's not a great QB. But these guys really struggle with accepting that reality so they spend much of their time tearing down everyone around Dak to make themselves feel better. Like imagine basically ripping into Lamb's character just to defend yet another suspect playoff game performance by Prescott. Imagine pushing some bizarre take that Cooper "infected" Lamb just to cover for the fact that Dak just failed again in a big spot (and yes, Daksters, he wasn't the only one that failed Sunday).
 
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MikeT22 said:
We have quite a few problems. Having a better QB would solve one.
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no it wouldnt because not even Troy could overcome this Jerry, he retired because it was that bad.. if you dont change the guy controlling everything then nothing will change...you have had 2 SB winning coaches multiple years with top offense, top run games HOF players on both sides of the ball....would more do you need to see before you can say "We know the problem...he has been doing this to us for 28 years.."..Tony and Dak both lead the leagues top offenses..show me in the history of the NFL the #1 offenses who were QB'd by bad QB's...seriously its crazy...
 
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Vtwin said:
If that were to be true it would also be a direct indictment of the storied 'leadership' ability Dak supposedly has.
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No it wouldn't.

Fans grossly exaggerate leadership and what it means to professional athletes.
 
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Sydla said:
There really is no lengths the Dak-stans will go to prop him up.

So in other words, what you are saying here is that Dak needs a specific system, with a specific set of players in order to succeed?

Everything around him is always bad. The WRs always stink. The OL always stinks. The play callers always stink. The RBs always stink. The HC always stinks. But you know who never, ever, ever stinks? The QB.

Think about the absurdity of this.
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No what I'm saying is that the QB in this offense is systematically disadvantaged so that every mistake becomes an albatross.

They do always stink. Jerry is not a good GM and they've been unlucky with injury at times. That's not to say Dak never has a bad game, but because all of those other things fail, any mistake by the QB is far more significant. They run an antiquated offensive philosophy that makes it impossible to win if the QB isn't great.

It's not absurd. Making generalizations about a prolific QB based on something like 1/10 games is absurd. Speaking in absolutes, is absurd. Saying that the QB has flaws but the bigger issue is the system around him, is not absurd.

The top passers by EPA this year all have significantly better weapons than Dallas or play in a Shannahan/Reid offense. Or are just special, special athletes.

1. Purdy - Shannahan/ Aiyuk, Deebo, CMC, Kittle.
2. Dak - McCarthy/ CD
3. Josh Allen - special
4. Tua - Shannahan/Tyreek, Waddle, Achane, Mostert
5. Kirk - Shannahan/Jefferson, Addison, Hockenson,
6. Hurts - AJ, Devonta
7. Lamar - special
8. Mahomes - special/ Reid
9. J. Love - Shannahan / depth at WR, Jones

Look at the company Dak is in, and tell me Dallas has a system/weapons comparable to any of those teams. It's impossible.
 
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Mac_MaloneV1 said:
No it wouldn't.

Fans grossly exaggerate leadership and what it means to professional athletes.
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Actually it's been Jerry Jones and the entire organization who has exaggerated leadership. They have literally told us that makes Dak special and why we will win a championship with him.
Yet there's never been a shred of evidence for this. In fact the opposite.
 
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Staubacher said:
Actually it's been Jerry Jones and the entire organization who has exaggerated leadership. They have literally told us that makes Dak special and why we will win a championship with him.
Yet there's never been a shred of evidence for this. In fact the opposite.
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It's also fans who grossly exaggerate the meaning of anything Jerry says.
 
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Vtwin said:
If that were to be true it would also be a direct indictment of the storied 'leadership' ability Dak supposedly has.
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So true.
Guy has the "it" factor, all the intangibles, incredible locker room presence. Unquestioned leadership cred

but not a single one of his WR1's is motivated to go to battle with him.

Yeah, that sounds plausible. :laugh:
 
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