DL, To rotate or not

diefree666 said:
Just because you were a coach does not mean you were good. Just like being a player does not mean you were good. People all too often bow down to someone just because of their title.
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you should see the defense his team played.
pretty impressive.
may be you should find out first before attacking someone.
 
Ranching said:
I see your point, but we were playing with a lead most of the time, I wonder how many of those sacks came in nut cutting time?
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that is the problem with these stats that a lot of people dont realize. the offense skews the stats of the defense. some ask for statistical proof and dont understand the amount of data and level of analysis are very substantial.
 
Ranching said:
Other than situational substitutions, I feel that running DL in and out of the game disrupts their rhythm. I don't buy the resting them excuse, they spend as much energy running in and out of the game as the do playing. If you have 4 guys that are better then the others, keep them in and ride them. Long drives, OK, rest your stud when he needs it and stick his butt back in the game. The question may be, do we have 4 clearcut starters?
Anyway, that's how I see it, any opinions?
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a big problem could be that they dont make them like they used to. may be the stout athletes with the right size and speed go for basketball?

or perhaps as size of all players increase, the muscles required for the size and performance put too much strain on the soft tissue stuff like the tendons and ligaments? muscles can be built up but tendons not so much. like the elbow surgery epidemic in baseball since everyone throws 95+
 
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Denim Chicken said:
I think the results speak for themselves. While we can probably all agree we don't have the best talent on the DL, we were 14th in the league in sacks (though 26th in hurries) and best in the league in stuff percentage & best in rush yards against.

If the secondary is indeed upgraded, I think it will help this defense more than people realize.
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Rather than situational substitutions, I believe the Cowboys practice series substitutions more often.
 
diefree666 said:
Just because you were a coach does not mean you were good. Just like being a player does not mean you were good. People all too often bow down to someone just because of their title.
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diefree666 said:
considering who did that same thing over the years in the NFL that makes you a very poor DL coach.
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Just being a jerk because you can doesn't make your comments anymore valid
 
diefree666 said:
Rotation certainly worked for the Giants enough to win two Lombardi's. And they had only one player that could be called great in Strahan. And the second one they did not have him.
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And it certainly worked for the Cowboys in the early 90's.

And it's worked for Seattle.
 
Ranching said:
Other than situational substitutions, I feel that running DL in and out of the game disrupts their rhythm. I don't buy the resting them excuse, they spend as much energy running in and out of the game as the do playing. If you have 4 guys that are better then the others, keep them in and ride them. Long drives, OK, rest your stud when he needs it and stick his butt back in the game. The question may be, do we have 4 clearcut starters?
Anyway, that's how I see it, any opinions?
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Playing the run doesn't take a lot out of a defensive lineman.

Rushing the passer does.

With the preponderance of pass attempts in the NFL that is a top reason why defensive line substitution is so popular. The "old" model of putting 4 guys out there for 1,000 snaps went away a long time ago.
 
MichaelWinicki said:
Playing the run doesn't take a lot out of a defensive lineman.

Rushing the passer does.

With the preponderance of pass attempts in the NFL that is a top reason why defensive line substitution is so popular. The "old" model of putting 4 guys out there for 1,000 snaps went away a long time ago.
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if i have sapp, mcfarland and rice, i would want as many plays as i can get from them. how many plays off do you really have to give them to keep them fresh?
is that known or is there any stats?
 
waldoputty said:
if i have sapp, mcfarland and rice, i would want as many plays as i can get from them. how many plays off do you really have to give them to keep them fresh?
is that known or is there any stats?
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There are guys like Suh and even Ware, when he was healthy who will get close to a 1,000 snaps. Obviously quality of play has something to do with it to. Snap counts are published.
 
Ranching said:
Other than situational substitutions, I feel that running DL in and out of the game disrupts their rhythm. I don't buy the resting them excuse, they spend as much energy running in and out of the game as the do playing. If you have 4 guys that are better then the others, keep them in and ride them. Long drives, OK, rest your stud when he needs it and stick his butt back in the game. The question may be, do we have 4 clearcut starters?
Anyway, that's how I see it, any opinions?
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I've always liked it... theoretically. But you are the coach in this conversation and experience trumps theory. Stamina, however, is not the only argument that supports it. Guys don't develop warming the bench and considering the youth movement of the last few years and the difficulty of managing 2nd contracts balanced against the cap, a concerted effort towards development is critical...even at the expense of short-term failure.
 
jday said:
I've always liked it... theoretically. But you are the coach in this conversation and experience trumps theory. Stamina, however, is not the only argument that supports it. Guys don't develop warming the bench and considering the youth movement of the last few years and the difficulty of managing 2nd contracts balanced against the cap, a concerted effort towards development is critical...even at the expense of short-term failure.
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I wish we had the talent that would allow us to leave the top four players in more and limit the rotation to situational plays and rest. Unfortunately, we don't seem to have that talent. Hoping it develops though.
 
Ranching said:
I wish we had the talent that would allow us to leave the top four players in more and limit the rotation to situational plays and rest. Unfortunately, we don't seem to have that talent. Hoping it develops though.
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I would just rather not play the number 7, 8 or 9 talent over our top six guys if I don't have too. I know and respect the fact that pro football is very different than HS ball. Just my preference.
 
Ranching said:
I wish we had the talent that would allow us to leave the top four players in more and limit the rotation to situational plays and rest. Unfortunately, we don't seem to have that talent. Hoping it develops though.
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they need a development league like the NBA.
 
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