DMN Blog: Cowboys could make room for Matt Jones

[Stash]

nah - it's all good here too, stash. but i do start to find myself getting frustrated at every turn of events being in jones favor so i just stop and go do something else.

one year i was the OLINE SUCKS dude, so i know where your passion is from and appreciate it, if not agree. : )

I was probably on that bandwagon with ya!

:laugh2:

 

[Stash]

I'm not gonna get involved in all these debates, but if we have a chance to get the guy I would take him without any hesitation. Playing in Jacksonville's power running system with no stable QB (until last year) would make it hard for anyone to put up great numbers.

His size, speed and power alongside T.O. is a "risk" worth taking IMO.

Welcome aboard!

:shake:

 

[dbair1967]

Jones did outperform Harper in carches and most importantly touchdowns. Despite still learning the wide receiver position and despite having less talented players around him.

Maybe in the make pretend world of Stasheroo, but not in the real world of where stats are put on paper or when people who obviously are OBJECTIVE watch the two guys actually play. Do you not understand how to look up basic statistics Stash? I've spelled it out for you in several posts now, and yuou ignore it...Jones was not more productive than Harper, period.


And what got Harper to the postseason? Playing on a team loaded with stars. That's what. He didn't 'carry' the Cowboys, which is what you seem to expect of Jones. Harper has about 4 career postseason TD's. Considering the number of postseason games he played in, that's not a lot. Jones already has 1 in the two postseason games he's played (check last year). You might give Harper a free pass based on one big play in San Francisco, but I look at his actual numbers. Did Jones ever score 8 tds in a season? No...did Jones ever average more than 16.1 yds per catch (that was Harpers lowest in his 4yrs here) NO...did Jones ever avg more than 21.6 yds per catch in any season (something Harper did twice here) NO...do they both average about the same amount of catches per season YES...what about this do you not understand?

Harper was a bust when he left Dallas, because he was the same one-trick pony that he always was. A guy who fit his role on a team of stars, when he didn't have those stars anymore, he wasn't a factor at all.

sure he busted when he left here, but it doesnt take away from what he did while he was actually here does it? Did any WR opp Irvin produce anywhere near as much HERE after Harper left? No, they didnt...again something else I cant see how you dont understand...was Harper a bust in Dallas, absolutely not...is Matt Jones a mammoth bust in jacksonville, yes he is

David

 

[Sandyf]

Lots of opinion on this thread about Jones but truthfully the only thing that counts is what Jerry Jones and Jason Garrett think about Matt Jones.

Will they bring him in for a look see especially if the money is right? Sure because it is the right FOOTBALL business to do. Could he make the roster? Maybe or Maybe not, that would have to be seen.

Stats on paper are just that, stats. You can compare them all day but the fact is it will never be the same circumstances, so unless you are voting for the HOF or Pro Bowl, what do they really mean.

I look at Jones POSSIBILTY of making the team. He would have a far better QB in Romo which does nothing but improve the WR. He would have a better running game overall. He would have a much superior offensive coordinator who puts his WRs, TEs, QBs, and RBs in a more successful position to play on their strengths instead of forcing them to do something that isn't there strength.

Is Jones better than Stanback, Hurd or Austin? Who knows? But training camp would be interesting. Would he be better than Glenn? Probably now he would based on Glenn's knee.

Alot of people who are saying no way to Matt Jones are some of the same who said no way to TO. Personally, I am not sold either way on Matt Jones, but based on Jerry's track record lately, if he thinks Matt Jones could make a difference, then I would welcome the guy with open arms.

 

[Stash]

Maybe in the make pretend world of Stasheroo, but not in the real world of where stats are put on paper or when people who obviously are OBJECTIVE watch the two guys actually play. Do you not understand how to look up basic statistics Stash? I've spelled it out for you in several posts now, and yuou ignore it...Jones was not more productive than Harper, period.

You want to publicly be called a liar?

Fine.

You got it.

Here are the numbers for both players' first three seasons:

Matt Jones 42 games played 5 starts 1,392 yards 13.8 ypc avg 13 TD's

Alvin Harper47 games played 33 starts 1,665 yards 18.0 ypc avg 10 TD's

There's what the facts say, not the garbage and lies you continue to spew out.

sure he busted when he left here, but it doesnt take away from what he did while he was actually here does it? Did any WR opp Irvin produce anywhere near as much HERE after Harper left? No, they didnt...again something else I cant see how you dont understand...was Harper a bust in Dallas, absolutely not...is Matt Jones a mammoth bust in jacksonville, yes he is

David

Once again, reality punches you in the face, but you choose to ignore what the facts tell you.

You keep those blinders on while the rest of us live in the real world.

:blind:

 

[kinderwords51]

Yeah he may be able to play, but not half as good as he used to be. Whats his contract like? It should be pretty fat and should be just getting in the waay.

 

[bbgun]

You might give Harper a free pass based on one big play in San Francisco

Two big plays, actually. The bomb in the 2nd quarter and the memorable slant pattern in the 4th.

 

[dbair1967]

You want to publicly be called a liar?

Fine.

You got it.

Here are the numbers for both players' first three seasons:

Matt Jones 42 games played 5 starts 1,392 yards 13.8 ypc avg 13 TD's

Alvin Harper47 games played 33 starts 1,665 yards 18.0 ypc avg 10 TD's

There's what the facts say, not the garbage and lies you continue to spew out.

he's still more productive Stash...Harper is still the better player...Harper was a far more feared part of the Dallas offense than Jones ever has been in Jacksonville

and while Harper may have "started" more games, that doesnt take into account the actual amount of time a guy is on the field, as 3 &4 WR sets are much mroe prevelent today than they were when Harper played in Dallas...and Harper rarely even had plays designed for him to be the goto guy, as those guys were Irvin, Novecek and Emmitt

Once again, reality punches you in the face, but you choose to ignore what the facts tell you.

whatever Stash

David

 

[dbair1967]

Two big plays, actually. The bomb in the 2nd quarter and the memorable slant pattern in the 4th.

he had more than that

remember the first SF champiosnhip game? he made that sensational catch on the deep throw on the first drive of the 2nd half, then made the famous catch and run late in the game

there was the slant for TD in the 2nd half of the 93 championship game from Kosar...there was also the 90+ yd TD vs GB in the 94 playoffs...he had the bomb for TD vs Buffalo in the first super bowl we played them and also scored an important TD vs GB in the 93 playoffs...he also had a good day vs Chicago his rookie yr, a game we won on the road

David

 

[Woods]

Personally, I don't mind bringing M Jones in for a look-sie.

I definitely wouldn't guarantee Jones a contract, but if Jones were to take an incentive-laden type deal, I have no problem bringing him in.

If Glenn doesn't make it to the regular season, Jones probably has a decent shot to make the roster if we keep 6 WRs.

In any case, I can't see how if would be detrimental to the team to bring in M Jones for a tryout if the contract was structured properly.

 

[bbgun]

he had more than that

remember the first SF champiosnhip game? he made that sensational catch on the deep throw on the first drive of the 2nd half, then made the famous catch and run late in the game

That's the game (and the plays) I was referring to in my post.

there was the slant for TD in the 2nd half of the 93 championship game from Kosar...there was also the 90+ yd TD vs GB in the 94 playoffs...he had the bomb for TD vs Buffalo in the first super bowl we played them and also scored an important TD vs GB in the 93 playoffs...he also had a good day vs Chicago his rookie yr, a game we won on the road

He also caught a bomb at the end of SB XXVIII, but we failed to cash in. You don't need to sell me on what he meant to the Cowboys. Irvin and co. didn't make him a good player; he was good.

 

[superpunk]

I'm so glad that we waited until the 4th round to draft Stanback.

 

[masomenos]

Stash has converted me, bring Jones in.

 

[Stash]

Personally, I don't mind bringing M Jones in for a look-sie.

I definitely wouldn't guarantee Jones a contract, but if Jones were to take an incentive-laden type deal, I have no problem bringing him in.

If Glenn doesn't make it to the regular season, Jones probably has a decent shot to make the roster if we keep 6 WRs.

In any case, I can't see how if would be detrimental to the team to bring in M Jones for a tryout if the contract was structured properly.

If you traded for him, you'd be getting a cap friendly deal.

Jones' upcoming salaries are $625,000, and $565,000.

 

[Stash]

Stash has converted me, bring Jones in.

Welcome aboard my friend!

:thankyou:

 

[ThreeSportStar80]

Miles Austin will be our number two....Stanbeck # 3, and P Crayton #4....
I hope...

I believe Austin will step it up in training camp take the number 2 WR role over...

 

[Kilyin]

Matt Jones 42 games played 5 starts 1,392 yards 13.8 ypc avg 13 TD's

Alvin Harper47 games played 33 starts 1,665 yards 18.0 ypc avg 10 TD's

This is all pretty simple. Jones has 3 more regular season touchdowns than Harper in the first three seasons of their careers, we get it. That doesn't make Jones better than Harper.

You're so obsessed with regular season stats, yet you choose to continually ignore Harper's 4th and best regular season with Dallas (where he averaged 25 YPC and had 8 TDs). That is pretty indicative of your transparent agenda.

The fact that Harper played with so many stars makes his numbers even more impressive. There were only so many balls to go around - playing in a run first offense with Emmitt, Moose, Irvin, Novacek, etc.

The speculation that Matt Jones might be the best receiver in Jacksonville is more of an indictment on that franchise than it is an endorsement for Jones.

 

[Stash]

This is all pretty simple. Jones has 3 more regular season touchdowns than Harper in the first three seasons of their careers, we get it. That doesn't make Jones better than Harper.

Sure looks like it does.....

You're so obsessed with regular season stats, yet you choose to continually ignore Harper's 4th and best regular season with Dallas (where he averaged 25 YPC and had 8 TDs). That is pretty indicative of your transparent agenda.

The only think I might be 'obsessed' with is in tearing up the minsinformed myth that Jones is simply a 'bust' while a guy with lesser numbers over the same period of his career gets praised.

The fact that Harper played with so many stars makes his numbers even more impressive. There were only so many balls to go around - playing in a run first offense with Emmitt, Moose, Irvin, Novacek, etc.

Yeah? So why didn't Harper's numbers 'explode' when he left Dallas and all those 'meanies' couldn't 'detract' from his greatness?

This answer should be good.....

The speculation that Matt Jones might be the best receiver in Jacksonville is more of an indictment on that franchise than it is an endorsement for Jones.

It very likely is, the fact is Jacksonville hasn't developed any great receivers since Del Rio and Co got there, so this idea of placing all 'blame' on Jones doesn't add up.

 

[bbgun]

The speculation that Matt Jones might be the best receiver in Jacksonville is more of an indictment on that franchise than it is an endorsement for Jones.

Yeah, they were so impressed with him that they imported Joey Porter and Troy "couldn't catch a cold" Williamson.

 

[Bleu Star]

Our problems at WR are OVER