stasheroo;2117930 said:
Great. I'm once again having a conversation who wants to throw out facts for his own opinions.
Dude, I've stayed out of this because I don't care that much either way and will be happy with whatever Dallas decides on this particular subject... but are you simply looking at his stats and calling them facts? You know as well as I do that stats don't tell anything close to the whole story.
My statistics professor in college told us in regards to sports stats that context is everything because the raw data is almost meaningless without knowing what was happening, where, against who, in what weather, with what teammates, etc.
For example, Which is more impressive for a WR?
3 catches for 60 yards and 1 TD thrown by Quincy Carter against Dieon Sanders
or
7 catches for 122 yards and 3 TD thrown by Peyton Manning against Jacques Reeves.
We all know that the 3 for 60 would be much more impressive because of who was throwing it and who the DB was. Even then though, you would really need to have seen what happened to know if Sanders slipped down on the TD or if Reeves was sick and actually had decent coverage.
Context is vital.
Jones caught some balls in Jax because he was playing and they threw to him. You said yourself that the Jags had no decent WR's, so that made it neccessary for him to play. Put Hurd or Austin in that same exact situation on that team and I'd bet you that they would have a lot better stats than they currently do because they would have been used more than they did in Dallas. Would that make them more talented in Jax? Of course not... they simply would have had a lot more opportunities.
There is no way anyone can say that Matt Jones is a better (or worse) WR right now than either Hurd or Austin. He simply was in a very different situation and he got some balls thrown his way.
Maybe he's good, maybe he's not... but we can't compare him to Hurd or Austin right now. All we really know is that the team who used a number 1 pick on him is
thisclose to cutting him while Dallas is still wanting to see more of Austin and Hurd. Teams look bad when they cut their first round picks, so if they do, you know they don't want him around.
You can't look at Jones' stats and deduce much of anything other than he saw playing time.
stasheroo;2117930 said:
Why? Then we would have so much more time invested, making it even more painful to say goodbye. I think we should just keep them around forever for sentimental value.
Don't be silly Stash. You know what he meant. We've invested time in them, they know our system well, and Dallas would like to see if all the time and hard work amount to anything.
stasheroo;2117930 said:
We do if he's shown he's better than what we currently have. And he has.
How did he do that? Because he caught more balls in Jax than they did in Dallas? That can be anything from misleading to meaningless.
stasheroo;2117930 said:
We can compare his numbers to Crayton's in his first three if you'd like to go that route?
Like I said before... stats don't mean that much. He caught more balls because he played more. Had Terry Glenn not hurt his knee last season then Crayton would have way less. Would he be less talented? No, just had fewer chances. Had Terry Glenn been hurt two years ago, Crayton would likely have way more catches. Would that make him more talented now? Of course not.
Look, I don't want to go on and on about this subject, but you have to know that the stats you're throwing around don't mean much of anything. Partucularly when you try to compare Jones' and Harper's stats. All the other variables plus different era's make it... well... pointless.
