DMN Blog: Cowboys refuse to apologize for win/Brooking cherishes the win

[ScipioCowboy]

The fact that trends exist in the NFL does not disprove the notion that trends are not necessarily determinative.

Define determinative.

Can a team run by Dan Snyder emerge from the NFL dregs and win a playoff game every now and then?

Certainly.

But will it do so consistently?

Probably not.

 

[The30YardSlant]

If the theory is that December games are more important than September ones, then it has to prove true for teams that do not make the postseason right??

No, december games are only relevant for teams in the playoff hunt. The bad teams are playing for pride and to get young players experience.

Answer this one. Which games are more important for the Titans this season? December or September?

Neither, because they arent/wont be in the playoff hunt. They're a bad team.

Another question... What was the Cardinals record in December last season?

2-3 I think. There's always exceptions to the rule.

 

[Bach]

I dare anyone to name the 20 teams that'll miss the playoffs. I double dare ya. And if you do, then dang it, you got lucky.

 

[fanfromvirginia]

The fact that trends exist in the NFL does not disprove the notion that trends are not necessarily determinative.

Well, you've got all of us determinists there, dead to rights. (Actually, I'm sure you could dig up some determinists in this thread without trying very hard on both sides).

 

[Air Force One]

Pragmatic to give up on the season when you're team is 2-3?? That's rich.

Why am I not shocked that you don't think your opinion is a mentally weak one?

Point one: After the way they've played so far this season, after the way last season ended,....and to top it off to lose to the winless chiefs..., not rich...just pragmatic.

Point two: I don't know why you're not shocked.

 

[The30YardSlant]

Define determinative.

Can a team run by Dan Snyder emerge from the NFL dregs and win a playoff game every now and then?

Certainly.

But will it do so consistently?

Probably not.

Exactly

Bottom line: theo and peplaw should never, ever, ever gamble

 

[peplaw06]

Define determinative.

Can a team run by Dan Snyder emerge from the NFL dregs and win a playoff game every now and then?

Certainly.

But will it do so consistently?

Probably not.

I think you know the definition of determinative. At least this post leads me to believe you do.

 

[Hostile]

The fact that we can't predict which teams will make the playoffs prior to the NFL season does not disprove the notion that trends exist in the NFL.

There are reasons certain franchises are consistently more successful than other franchises. There are reasons teams such as New England, Pittsburgh, and Indianapolis have had more success over the past decade than teams such as Washington, Detroit, and Oakland.

If a team is managed and coached like the Patriots, it's far more likely to be successful than a team managed and coached like the Commanders. This isn't a controversial supposition, in my opinion.

First of all I never said they did, and it was 5 games, not before the season.

I was told that superior football IQs see that this team is not headed to the playoffs because they see trends.

Well, then use those trends and prove the hypothesis. Is that too much to ask?

I already know it is. It cannot be done.

Don't tell me it can be done with any team, because it is impossible. That is an irrefutable fact.

 

[Hostile]

I dare anyone to name the 20 teams that'll miss the playoffs. I double dare ya. And if you do, then dang it, you got lucky.

Oh look, more gaslighting. How original.

 

[peplaw06]

No, december games are only relevant for teams in the playoff hunt. The bad teams are playing for pride and to get young players experience.

I'll consider this an admission that december games are not more important than September games.

Neither, because they arent/wont be in the playoff hunt. They're a bad team.

This too....

2-3 I think. There's always exceptions to the rule.

And this.

 

[utrunner07]

Exactly

Bottom line: theo and peplaw should never, ever, ever gamble

or play the stock market, or teach a history class, or have anything to do with anything that requires learning from history.

 

[peplaw06]

Exactly

Bottom line: theo and peplaw should never, ever, ever gamble

I'm not gambling. I'm disproving a claim.

 

[ScipioCowboy]

I think you know the definition of determinative. At least this post leads me to believe you do.

Actually, I don't.

Every type of prognostication and predictive modeling has its own concept of "determinative."

Tell me what you're trying to determine, and I'll tell you whether or not your prognostication is determinative.

 

[Rampage]

I'm not gambling. I'm disproving a claim.

you're really not

 

[peplaw06]

or play the stock market, or teach a history class, or have anything to do with anything that requires learning from history.

I'm not doing any of those either.

I'm just watching football.

Why do I have to play the stock market to watch football?

 

[Bach]

Oh look, more gaslighting. How original.

I figured it was relevant somehow.

 

[The30YardSlant]

I'll consider this an admission that december games are not more important than September games.

This too....

And this.

Consider it whatever you want, you're arguing semantics at this point. For teams in the playoff hunt, december games are more important. The 2007 Cowboys are a testement to this. Is it always the case? No, but trends are trends for a reason.

 

[Hostile]

I figured it was relevant somehow.

So did Chicken Little.

:wink2:

 

[utrunner07]

First of all I never said they did, and it was 5 games, not before the season.

I was told that superior football IQs see that this team is not headed to the playoffs because they see trends.

Well, then use those trends and prove the hypothesis. Is that too much to ask?

I already know it is. It cannot be done.

Don't tell me it can be done with any team, because it is impossible. That is an irrefutable fact.

Teams that start 0-4 don't make the playoffs, its a trend, not a rule.

Teams that start 4-0 usually make the playoffs, its a trend not a rule.

Teams that can't get over penalties, have d's that give up game winning drives at the end of games over and over and over, have hot and cold QBs, have turnover problems...usually dont make the playoffs. its a trend not a rule...

the trend with this team in the last season and a half is to have a d that gives up end of game drives, give up turnovers, has a hot and cold QB, penalties, etc. etc.

point proven.

 

[The30YardSlant]

I'm not gambling. I'm disproving a claim.

You're arguing against stats and trends by saying they don't always hold true.