DMN: Cowlishaw: Cowboys have almost nothing to show from '08, '09 and '12 drafts

[TwoDeep3]

Don't be jealous, hater.

You don't get 20 years of personnel experience in this league without having a rich father the qualifications.

He's legit.

Best use of the strike through since the new format for this board.

 

[17yearsandcounting]

What four did we dump for cap reasons??

From what I see, Jenkins signed a one year deal for 1.5 million dollars, Jones signed a one year deal for 800k or so, and Marty B signed a one year deal with the Giants for 2.5 million before getting a 4 year 20 million dollar deal with 9 million guaranteed from the Bears.

I'm not necessarily disagreeing with the main point you're trying to make, but I can't agree that they were dumped due to the cap.

Jenkins went to football purgatory, Felix signed with Philly and got traded for a sack of practice footballs and Bennett was never going to amount to anything under the Incredibly Nepotistic duo.

Sweet draft bro.

 

[peplaw06]

Again, that's not at all what was stated.
He said they weren't good drafts BECAUSE players aren't around.
He was responding to someone saying drafting had improved and that perhaps he should offer a mea culpa given how good the 2013 draft looks.

Apparently you are posting that the SB teams underwent GM changes because they had bad drafts in 08 and 09??
Or maybe not. Who can tell because you really aren't saying anything specific at all.

I'd be glad to address an actual point if you make one.

Don't blame me cause you can't understand the simple point being made.

 

[peplaw06]

Or you can cry non-stop all day every day if that makes you feel any better.
You can even cry because people say you're crying too much.
As any 2 year old will tell you, crying is always a valid option if you dont get your way.

Ha. And I'M the one crying? Nice rant... but it doesn't really add much to the discussion.

It really does take some minimal amount of common sense to discuss anything.

How would you know?

If a player plays a lot of snaps as rookie and gets hurt as a 2nd year guy it gathers perhaps that player has a lot of unknown.

At the same time if a player is drafted, never makes an NFL team and is sellng insurance it is pretty easy to call that a suck pick without waiting 3 years.

So you don't understand sarcasm either?

If you draft a player it is more than fair to grade that versus his initial rookie contract/commitment. (and any non-lazy journalist does so)

OK, then you should be more than willing to accept critique regarding our 2012 and 2013 draft classes. Some people are not so willing to consider that analysis because "it's too early." If that's not you, fine, but you seem pretty sensitive about my post.

It is entirely unfair and rather stupid to grade that pick based solely on his hanging around Valley Ranch for longer than that.

I think it's rather stupid to grade a pick based solely on the number of games a player started in Dallas and if he is still in the league or not.

Was Marcus Spears a 'better' draft pick than Chris Canty?

In my subjective opinion Canty was a "better" draft pick. But I don't see what that has to do with anything.

 

[RonSpringsdaman20]

uhhh wow….

 

[JPM]

uhhh wow….

450 posts and you can't be surprised. The name calling and downright nastiness posters of this site show each other is so sad and it's gotten old.

 

[peplaw06]

I heard it on Colin Cowherd yesterday when he was talking about college basketball players going pro. Don't mince my words with other individuals.

I haven't broken a forum rule, so don't act like you can tell me what to do.

 

[peplaw06]

lmao... and it clearly worked.

 

[Hoofbite]

Why are people arguing about what the players drafted in 2008 did while in Dallas?

I don't think Colishaw was saying the team got nothing from those drafts, just that they're getting nothing from those drafts right now.

Ideally you would like to have a pick or two on the roster just 5 years later.

 

[silver]

We continually manage to screw the pooch when it comes to the draft by getting too cute. The 2009 & 2012 drafts are prime examples of that. Last years draft too, we trade down and gain an extra pick only to nullify it by reaching for a slow as molasses Tight End in the second round. So while we gain a starting WR in the 3rd, we waste our 2nd rounder on a 3rd string TE. Typical.

 

[coult44]

Is the purpose of this thread to prove JJ is a good GM? Y'all never stop amazing me?

 

[arglebargle]

Don't be jealous, hater.

You don't get 20 years of personnel experience in this league without having a rich father the qualifications.

He's legit.

Better not look at Ron Wolf's kid then. Might interefere with your dudgeon.....

 

[Risen Star]

Better not look at Ron Wolf's kid then. Might interefere with your dudgeon.....

Ron Wolf doesn't own a team and employ his son. He's also a legitimate personnel guru who had to earn and keep his job through performance. Exactly what his son is in the process of doing now.

For the life of me, I can't fathom what point you were trying to make.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Last years draft too, we trade down and gain an extra pick only to nullify it by reaching for a slow as molasses Tight End in the second round. So while we gain a starting WR in the 3rd, we waste our 2nd rounder on a 3rd string TE. Typical.

That was a fast 3 years.

 

[arglebargle]

Ron Wolf doesn't own a team and employ his son. He's also a legitimate personnel guru who had to earn and keep his job through performance. Exactly what his son is in the process of doing now.

For the life of me, I can't fathom what point you were trying to make.

It was the point of Ron Wolf's kid getting his job because his dad was associated with the team. Having no particular credentials, but getting a sweetheart intro deal.

Like that doesn't happen anywhere else or in any other business.

 

[CyberB0b]

It was the point of Ron Wolf's kid getting his job because his dad was associated with the team. Having no particular credentials, but getting a sweetheart intro deal.

Like that doesn't happen anywhere else or in any other business.

• Named director of pro personnel on May 23, 2012. First joined Packers in 2004 as a pro personnel assistant (2004-2008); named assistant director of pro personnel (2008-2010) and assistant director of player personnel (2011).
• Currently the youngest director of pro personnel in the NFL.
• The son of former Packers general manager Ron Wolf, Eliot’s scouting career unofficially began at age 10, when he joined his father in film sessions at Lambeau Field.
• Has worked 21 consecutive Packers drafts (since 1993) and 21 consecutive NFL scouting combines.

The kid already sounds more qualified than Stephen Jones. He actually worked his way up as an assistant in the league.

 

[RonSpringsdaman20]

450 posts and you can't be surprised. The name calling and downright nastiness posters of this site show each other is so sad and it's gotten old.

actually I was amazed at how many quotes he had in one post

 

[cowboyschmps3]

Looked at Seattle and Denver for 2008/2009 drafts.

Seattle - 2008 has 1 player on team, 2009 has 1 player on team
Denver - 2008 has 1 player on team, 2009 has 3 players on team

They are built through FA not draft Imo

 

[jterrell]

Don't blame me cause you can't understand the simple point being made.

good job of still not making a point.

 

[xwalker]

I hate that about the current system. They would have to rework the percentages between the players and owners, but I wish the system had some built in advantage for resigning your own player vs another teams free agents. For example 90% of the salary counts against the cap if it's your own guy and 110% of the salary counts against the cap if it's another teams. That type of system would still keep the "Steve Young's" of the league from being a backup for years, but allow the chance to build a core team through the draft and keep it for a period of years.

Yes, that would be a good system.

There is some advantage in the current system after the initial contract; however, it's small for most postions. Teams don't let top QBs get to free agency and oddly quality Centers rarely if ever make it to free agency; however, all of the other positions are usually available in free agency. Teams rarely get "hometown" discounts for re-signing their own free agents.