News: DMN: Gosselin: Why Tony Romo isn't even close to Hall of Fame-worthy

[DallasDomination]

Do fans really care about the hall of fame? I know I don't give a rats behind about it. It's something for retired players to feel good about when they leave the game. Makes them feel like they left a stamp on the game. Imo the hall of fame should be really small and only the best of the best should get in. Every year some average Joe that had a good career gets in...then you have guys like T.O not going 1st ballot ...kind of loses credibility imo.

 

[casmith07]

I wasn't aware that it was the Hall of Super Bowl Champions.

 

[Vtwin]

It's a joke. If uncontested, lead pipe lock, first ballot hall of famer Tom Brady ended up in Cleveland instead of New England and dragged that sorry franchise to a .500 or a bit better record with a playoff game or two over his career does he not get in because "duh, no rings brah"?

And yes, Romo is deserving based on his overall individual play as compared to that of his peers.

 

[Vinnie2u]

No, at this point in time he's not HOF worthy... He's basically Danny White 30 years later.

Without the playoff record. Like 3 consecutive NFC title games.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

It's a joke. If uncontested, lead pipe lock, first ballot hall of famer Tom Brady ended up in Cleveland instead of New England and dragged that sorry franchise to a .500 or a bit better record with a playoff game or two over his career does he not get in because "duh, no rings brah"?

And yes, Romo is deserving based on his overall individual play as compared to that of his peers.

Respectfully disagree.

Don't get me wrong, I think Romo is a heck of a QB.

But based on his current numbers (in relation to his peers) and a lack of playoff success keeps him out of the HOF as of today...

Here's Romo's year by year QB rating in relation to other starting QBs:

2006 5th
2007 5th
2008 8th
2009 8th
2011 4th
2012 10th
2013 8th
2014 1st

Decent numbers? Yeah.

Overwhelming HOF numbers? No, not really.

And he's not getting the boost of a legacy of playoff success.

In addition, when you talk about peer's, Romo's going to be battling to get into the HOF against these guys who I believe are definite HOFers:

Brady
Brees
Big Ben
Rodgers
Eli

And then you have Phillip Rivers who like Romo has great stats. Rivers is going to be another who'll probably end up short.

Romo needs a SB in order to get in IMO.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Without the playoff record. Like 3 consecutive NFC title games.

True.

If someone posted that White was actually better than Romo... I thing a reasonable argument could be made.

 

[Vinnie2u]

True.

If someone posted that White was actually better than Romo... I thing a reasonable argument could be made.

Most who say Romo is better than White are probably too young to remember how good White was.

 

[CowboyChris]

In the last 15-20 years of the NFL, Romo is definitely behind a bunch of QB's.

Favre (who's getting in this year)
Tom Brady
P. Manning
B. Roethlisberger
Drew Brees
Eli Manning
Aaron Rogers

I don't see how Romo gets in unless as that article states he need a SB win (or 2 in my opinion)

 

[Vinnie2u]

In the last 15-20 years of the NFL, Romo is definitely behind a bunch of QB's.

Favre (who's getting in this year)
Tom Brady
P. Manning
B. Roethlisberger
Drew Brees
Eli Manning

I don't see how Romo gets in unless as that article states he need a SB win (or 2 in my opinion)

Add Rodgers

 

[Super_Kazuya]

True.

If someone posted that White was actually better than Romo... I thing a reasonable argument could be made.

There is zero argument to be made. The only thing White did better was punt and throw interceptions. He's not in the same class.
And please don't mention fictional stats like wins and losses. You just made a post where you didn't mention them at all and it was very good.

 

[CowboyChris]

Add Rodgers

Yes sir....forgot him....done

 

[xvendettax914]

We have these every year. Actually without counting my perception is the Romo sucks articles, threads and posts are pretty much passe....for the most part.

True, just seems excessive this year

 

[MichaelWinicki]

There is zero argument to be made. The only thing White did better was punt and throw interceptions. He's not in the same class.
And please don't mention fictional stats like wins and losses. You just made a post where you didn't mention them at all and it was very good.

There's not a lot that separates Romo & White...

The times Romo has appeared in the Top-10 of QB ratings:

2006 5th
2007 5th
2008 8th
2009 8th
2011 4th
2012 10th
2013 8th
2014 1st

Consequently Danny White was the starter for 6 seasons after having spent the first 4 as the team's punter:

1980 9th
1981 5th
1982 4th
1983 9th
1985 9th

Tony had the one very good season and White led the team to three NFC championship games...

Again, not a lot separating the two.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

In the last 15-20 years of the NFL, Romo is definitely behind a bunch of QB's.

Favre (who's getting in this year)
Tom Brady
P. Manning
B. Roethlisberger
Drew Brees
Eli Manning
Aaron Rogers

I don't see how Romo gets in unless as that article states he need a SB win (or 2 in my opinion)

That's what happens when you get a "glut" of players at one position who are considered very, very good players and they're all retiring at about the same time.

 

[BrassCowboy]

Those teams could have gotten to the SB even with those defenses.

And I can climb mount everest. Opinions are free

 

[Super_Kazuya]

There's not a lot that separates Romo & White...

The times Romo has appeared in the Top-10 of QB ratings:

2006 5th
2007 5th
2008 8th
2009 8th
2011 4th
2012 10th
2013 8th
2014 1st

Consequently Danny White was the starter for 6 seasons after having spent the first 4 as the team's punter:

1980 9th
1981 5th
1982 4th
1983 9th
1985 9th

Tony had the one very good season and White led the team to three NFC championship games...

Again, not a lot separating the two.

You're being somewhat disingenuous... Top 10 benefits White since he had 3 9th place finishes, and played in a 28 team league. If Tony retired right now, he would already have 35 more starts than White and would finish his career 3rd all time in QB Rating and 4th in Adjusted Net Yards per Pass Attempt. When White retired, he was 12th and 16th all time, respectively. Very solid, but not in the same class as Romo or Staubach (1st and 2nd, respectively when he retired).

 

[percyhoward]

Neither Aikman nor Staubach ranks among the NFL’s Top 30 passers all time in efficiency.

This is classic Goose.

Of course Staubach isn't among the Top 30 rated passers. The average passer rating for his era was 25 points lower than it is now. Does he really think Blaine Gabbert had a better season when he finished 27th with an 86.4 in 2015 than Staubach had when he finished 1st with an 84.9 in 1978? Does he consider era at all?

And the highest rated QB of Aikman's era were Montana, Young, Marino, Aikman, Kelly, Moon, Favre, and Elway. They're all in the HOF, even though three of them did not win a championship. The common thread was that they all had at least five seasons in the Top 8 in passer rating. McMahon, Simms, and Rypien all have rings from that era, but none of them had as many as five Top 8 seasons, and none of them is in the HOF.

But Goose, and others with the same mentality, keep on voting.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

You're being somewhat disingenuous... Top 10 benefits White since he had 3 9th place finishes, and played in a 28 team league. If Tony retired right now, he would already have 35 more starts than White and would finish his career 3rd all time in QB Rating and 4th in Adjusted Net Yards per Pass Attempt. When White retired, he was 12th and 16th all time, respectively. Very solid, but not in the same class as Romo or Staubach (1st and 2nd, respectively when he retired).

Oh I think Tony Romo is a wonderful QB.

He just isn't HOF caliber (yet).

Pure & simple Tony lacks playoff success.

As others have pointed out there are several other QB's from Tony's era who are going to get first nod if their careers ended today.

There's somewhat of a "glut" of superstar QB's who'll all be retiring about the same time and those with great passing stats and SB wins will go in before Tony will.

 

[percyhoward]

Tony: 3rd all time in QB Rating...White 12th all time.

Thank you. The "looks about right" standard of measurement is popular because it's easy -- not because it's accurate.

Avg rank in 5 best seasons
Romo 5th
White 7th

in 8 best seasons
Romo 6th
White 11th

 

[BrassCowboy]

Wow are we still having this Romo argument.

Romo is a qb many teams would win with, SB included. Cowboys front office, coaching changes, team philosophy, offensive play calling, overrated talent, and plainly the game being tested solely on Romo to win are among many reasons this team has not got to the big game.

Romo has his share too, but to say he is the reason this team is not winning is really missing the forest for the piece of bark. We need to be beyond this at this point. I understand the frustration but there is more to football than one player.

Edit: saying all that, I do agree to say he isn't HOF caliber yet, but close