DMN: Roger Staubach: Cowboys are 'lucky' to have a 'championship' QB like Tony Romo

[Idgit]

My point is/was, just because an ex-player, no mater WHAT his credentials are, says something, no more validates what the facts are, or are going to be.

Again, you can go back to any off-season from almost every year since Romo became a starter, and 1 or another of the "he's been there, so he knows" QB's, has thrown-out the obligatory, "he's a champion" quote in an interview somewhere or another.

Umm???....Maybe I'M blind, but I'm still waiting to see the "championship". Or even anything CLOSE TO IT, for that mater!

That's just not a very good point. What Roger said about Quincy and what he said about Romo are very different things. If anything, the quotes validate that he does, in fact, know what he's talking about. "Good things" and "kinda pulling for them" are about as tepid a compliment as you can squeeze out about one of your successors. Saying a guy is 'championship caliber' is not.

There's an obvious reason why the HoFers regularly say Tony's capable of playing at a championship level. And that reason is not because they don't know what they're talking about.

 

[Hostile]

My point is/was, just because an ex-player, no mater WHAT his credentials are, says something, no more validates what the facts are, or are going to be.

Again, you can go back to any off-season from almost every year since Romo became a starter, and 1 or another of the "he's been there, so he knows" QB's, has thrown-out the obligatory, "he's a champion" quote in an interview somewhere or another.

Umm???....Maybe I'M blind, but I'm still waiting to see the "championship". Or even anything CLOSE TO IT, for that mater!

So what you are essentially saying is that if you have a horse, and I tell you, "I like your horse, I see good things in him," you can then say, "Hos thinks I have a Triple Crown winner."

All comments made are equal if praise is involved?

I guess you should go ahead and raise your stud fees, because I like something about most horses.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Well, here's the thing.

Roger probably sees things in Romo that he can relate to and understand(Quincy Too). Now, with Quincy it wasnt all bad. He had us on a run one year. Took us to 10-6 I believe. A winning steak of 5-6 games. He looked pretty good.


Then "IT" happened...

Actually, he looked terrible that year. We were 10-6 but Quincy was a 57.8% passer with 3302 yards, 17 TDs, 21 Ints and 10 fumbles. He wasn't really that good that year. Our defense was really good that year.

 

[JPM]

Really?

Can't believe you are surprised by the response.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Well, I'm positive Roger said more than just that he was rooting for Quincy. He said some good things about his talent, too. Problem is, that was a decade or more ago now and I guess a lot of that isn't up anymore.

 

[DenCWBY]

You can sum it up like this.

If Tom Brady was our QB last year, Dallas would have been 4-12 or worse. He would have been killed.

And if Romo was playing for the Pat's over the last decade, they would not have any SB rings so lighten up Francis.
This statement is why no one takes the Romo "fans" seriously.
I like Romo and I think he's capable however your comparing apples and oranges. Romo is a sandlot QB which means he's more adapted at making plays on the run. A lot of the plays he makes are busted plays from his scambling ability (a big plus considering the lack of Oline he has).
However as a pocket passer who senses the rush, protects the ball and handles composure in big games, he's challenged unlike Brady. Aikman was the same QB as Brady. Staubach was an enigma of being able to do both (Pass in the pocket with composure and make plays while scrambling).
I'm not saying Romo sux and I have a lot of hope for him. No doubt he killed a lot of my confidence in the last game of the season but I like him as a good QB and I hope he proves, he's more "elite" than just "good" in 2013.

 

[dstovall5]

If Brady was our QB we would have been in the playoffs last year

Brady makes the players around him good, Romo on the other hand needs good players around him

Right, that contract Laurent Robinson signed with the JAGs was strictly due to his amazing skill set. NOT. Tony Romo made him and earned him that contract, heck he should even give half of the money he got from it to Romo.

 

[Doomsday101]

I'm not sure he would have gotten us into the playoffs either but I'm more confident that he would have rather then not. Brady gets better protection or does Brady get the ball out of his hands quicker and does Brady see fewer blitzes because he has proven, over his career, that he will beat you for 7 more times then not if you Blitz him? You are talking about Brady in a Vacuum. Surely you know that if we had Brady here, we would not be running the same offense we are now. Your talking about a guy who is probably smarter then anybody we have on the offensive side of the ball. Our offense would look very different and we would not be holding the ball or not using the running game or throwing low percentage passes in an attempt to make big plays down field. The offense would be very different with Brady at QB. The OL would play differently as well.



In comparison to who we have, which is really the issue, are you going to consider Welker, Loyd, Gronk and Hernandez better then the guys we had last year catching the ball? They had the 7th ranked rushing attack but can we honestly say that they had even one back who was as talented as Murray? To me, that's more about coaching and committing to a running attack.



Right, their defense makes plays but the other side of that is that their offense doesn't turn the ball over. Brady had 8 Ints against 34 TDs. Those kinds of numbers would go a long way towards improving our season in 2012.



This is the problem as I see it. Too many people thinking that it's all Romo. Well, it's not. Brady is the best QB in the league and he is on a very good team but a big part of the reason is because Brady is their QB. Romo creates his own problems a lot of times. If he want's to be on par with QBs like Brady and Manning, he has to learn to stop killing himself. It's not always the team. Coverage breaks down, many times, because Romo holds the ball way to long, way too often. That's a true statement.



And I appreciate that. I don't think that this is what you are trying to do. I think you are trying to stay positive about Romo and that's fine. However, Romo has a lot of control over what we run on offense. You and I both know this. When we don't use the running game enough, it's not just because Garrett is not calling those plays. Romo has the ability to check out of any play at any time. Romo could help his protection a lot by simply getting the ball out of his hands quicker, by not spending all day at the line of scrimmage with audibles, by using the run more and by not putting his defense in bad down and distance situations all the time. Those are all things that Romo could help with.

Believe or not Romo also has a quick release and there are articals on this. Romo is getting a lot of pressure up the middle and off the edge Brady does not. Hell Pitt and Balt complained they get flagged when they get close to Brady, Romo gets the crap kicked out of him no flag no roughing calls yet broken ribs, collar bone and a host of other big hits.

We sure as hell do not get the turnovers putting the ball back into the hands of the offense like NE does and again we have a 31st ranked rushing and 27 in rushing TD while Brady team is 1st in rushing TD those factors make a differance. I know people will say running has no bearing on winning? BS it does and most of the playoff teams from lat year should prove it since the majority of them had good running games and ranked in the top 11.

As important as passing is running still plays a part if it didn't teams would not run as often as they do.

Dallas is not giving Romo protection that is fact anyone watching knows it, we can't run anyone watching should no this, we can't run when we are in the redzone it falls to Romo, Brady is not being forced to do it not when his team leads the damn NFL in that area.

Hell getting the snap in romo hand out of the shot gun has been a crap shoot at times.


Sorry I think it is BS how Dallas fans have treated Romo I'm sick of it, I don't think people have a clue as to what is put on Romo and that is why Rodger, Danny and Troy have all commented on Romo and what Romo is dealing with.

 

[Zordon]

We here this every year.

I'd just like to have a "perennial playoff" QB. We haven't even reached an NFC championship in ages, why are we talking about championships?

 

[Doomsday101]

And if Romo was playing for the Pat's over the last decade, they would not have any SB rings so lighten up Francis.
This statement is why no one takes the Romo "fans" seriously.
I like Romo and I think he's capable however your comparing apples and oranges. Romo is a sandlot QB which means he's more adapted at making plays on the run. A lot of the plays he makes are busted plays from his scambling ability (a big plus considering the lack of Oline he has).
However as a pocket passer who senses the rush, protects the ball and handles composure in big games, he's challenged unlike Brady. Aikman was the same QB as Brady. Staubach was an enigma of being able to do both (Pass in the pocket with composure and make plays while scrambling).
I'm not saying Romo sux and I have a lot of hope for him. No doubt he killed a lot of my confidence in the last game of the season but I like him as a good QB and I hope he proves, he's more "elite" than just "good" in 2013.

Hey francis, I would gladly take the 90's Dallas OL and the NFL leading rusher and all time leading rusher and give Romo a shot. Claiming Romo can't do that? how would you know since he has never had it to begin with?

 

[dstovall5]

You're kidding right?

Let's see the WRs Tony Romo has had to work with. How many were actual studs that Romo didn't "maximize"? TO? TO had pretty good numbers with Romo. So did Terry Glenn. The only argument you may have is Witten. And I'll argue that the only reason Witten doesn't see the EZ a lot is due to the fact that Romo finds "lesser" players open.

Patrick Crayton had some great years with us. But what exactly did he do when he left Dallas? What about Laurent Robinson? You can't tell me Romo didn't earn him a HUGE paycheck. What about Miles Austin? An UDFA that made it big. Kevin Ogletree had a big year last year, too. Even Roy Williams had some good TD numbers with the Cowboys.

I'd say Romo's done a great job of "maximizing" the talent around him.

Shhh ... We all know Romo doesn't make the players around him better, so no reason to preach that nonsense. /sarcasm

 

[03EBZ06]

We here this every year.

I'd just like to have a "perennial playoff" QB. We haven't even reached an NFC championship in ages, why are we talking about championships?

Who wouldn't but like who?

Is it "here" or "hear"?

I'm here to hear what you have to say.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Believe or not Romo also has a quick release and there are articals on this. Romo is getting a lot of pressure up the middle and off the edge Brady does not. Hell Pitt and Balt complained they get flagged when they get close to Brady, Romo gets the crap kicked out of him no flag no roughing calls yet broken ribs, collar bone and a host of other big hits.

We sure as hell do not get the turnovers putting the ball back into the hands of the offense like NE does and again we have a 31st ranked rushing and 27 in rushing TD while Brady team is 1st in rushing TD those factors make a differance. I know people will say running has no bearing on winning? BS it does and most of the playoff teams from lat year should prove it since the majority of them had good running games and ranked in the top 11.

As important as passing is running still plays a part if it didn't teams would not run as often as they do.

Dallas is not giving Romo protection that is fact anyone watching knows it, we can't run anyone watching should no this, we can't run when we are in the redzone it falls to Romo, Brady is not being forced to do it not when his team leads the damn NFL in that area.

Hell getting the snap in romo hand out of the shot gun has been a crap shoot at times.


Sorry I think it is BS how Dallas fans have treated Romo I'm sick of it, I don't think people have a clue as to what is put on Romo and that is why Rodger, Danny and Troy have all commented on Romo and what Romo is dealing with.

Well, it's your option to be sick of it and thats fine with me but it doesn't change the fact that Romo is not Brady. We can go around and around on this all day but I'll just point to one simple fact and let it go at that.

All we have to do is think back a couple of years to the season where Romo spent the entire year trying to emulate Brady's mechanics. You don't try to copy a player if you feel as if you are the better player. It's not a condemnation on Romo but the facts are that Brady is and has been better.

I don't even think it's debatable except on this board.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Hey francis, I would gladly take the 90's Dallas OL and the NFL leading rusher and all time leading rusher and give Romo a shot. Claiming Romo can't do that? how would you know since he has never had it to begin with?

Romo is a franchise QB and he's making bank. He absolutely has the power to change the course of the offense and, he has had it for some time. If he has never had it up to this point, it's because he has not wanted it badly enough IMO. We saw this with Marino. Dan Marino could have easily won a championship in Miami if he had only been more open to using a running game. He wasn't and he didn't. I don't think this is all about the team. I think Romo has some responsibility in this as well.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Who wouldn't but like who?

Is it "here" or "hear"?

I'm here to hear what you have to say.

All grammer police actions aside, the poster is not wrong IMO.

 

[03EBZ06]

All grammer police actions aside, the poster is not wrong IMO.

Not wrong about what? Did I say he was wrong? No

As long as your staff allow same regurgitated arguments occur, it will continue to be here year in and year out.

 

[Doomsday101]

Romo is a franchise QB and he's making bank. He absolutely has the power to change the course of the offense and, he has had it for some time. If he has never had it up to this point, it's because he has not wanted it badly enough IMO. We saw this with Marino. Dan Marino could have easily won a championship in Miami if he had only been more open to using a running game. He wasn't and he didn't. I don't think this is all about the team. I think Romo has some responsibility in this as well.

He is the QB not the coach or owner. He has no control over defense and his OL play has been poor. Hell the best line he had was made up of cast offs Davis who failed in Arz, colombo that was one big injury that Chicago let him go. Flo at the end of his career. Romo has made mistakes I have always maintained that however you can't continue to be in a position where you can't block, you can't run, you can't get turnovers and expect to win in this league no matter who the fricken QB is. To win takes a team it is more than a QB he is one. That is why rings are giving to all the players not just the QB that is why you will find many HOF players on these championship teams not just a QB. I look at the top QB's that played this game and I see HOF players on both sides of the ball who played with them.

We can look at Troy but he will say Norv played a big part he will say having a back like Smith to hand it to and defensive that made big plays and got turnovers were a big part of why that team had success it was not just Troy he knows it and every damn QB out there knows it, it is not just them

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Not wrong about what? Did I say he was wrong? No

As long as your staff allow same regurgitated arguments occur, it will continue to be here year in and year out.

No, you ignored the point and decided to address his grammar.


For the record, the staff does not control all things in all places but if you feel as if the subject matter is too limited, you have options. You can decide not to post in repetitive subject matters, you can post new threads with fresh topics or you can just not post.

It's the off season. It's here every year.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

He is the QB not the coach or owner. He has no control over defense and his OL play has been poor. Hell the best line he had was made up of cast offs Davis who failed in Arz, colombo that was one big injury that Chicago let him go. Flo at the end of his career. Romo has made mistakes I have always maintained that however you can't continue to be in a position where you can't block, you can't run, you can't get turnovers and expect to win in this league no matter who the fricken QB is. To win takes a team it is more than a QB he is one. That is why rings are giving to all the players not just the QB that is why you will find many HOF players on these championship teams not just a QB. I look at the top QB's that played this game and I see HOF players on both sides of the ball who played with them.

We can look at Troy but he will say Norv played a big part he will say having a back like Smith to hand it to and defensive that made big plays and got turnovers were a big part of why that team had success it was not just Troy he knows it and every damn QB out there knows it, it is not just them

No. I don't buy any of this. He has the ability to audible out of any play. He has major input into every game plan, and this has been confirmed many times over. We know that if a QB doesn't like the staff or a player, that person will find there way out of Dallas.

I'm sorry Dooms, Romo does have significant input into this offense and what is run. He does have input into who is brought in as well. That is just the way it is. Romo has responsibility in this just like Garrett and all of the other members of the Offense. You can't say it's all Romo and if not for him, we would be 3-13 but then turn around and say that Romo gets no help and that Romo is just along for the ride. I just don't believe that.

 

[Zordon]

Who wouldn't but like who?

Is it "here" or "hear"?

I'm here to hear what you have to say.