DMN - Sources: Dallas Cowboys often tardy, undisciplined in '08

[Chocolate Lab]

Or he is doing what he has done in the past, which is insult our intelligence.

Yep, which goes along with the lying part. But he should know that these days, even we laymen have access to salary cap info.

 

[wileedog]

We can call them the Eggshell Brigade.

Jerry Jones, Julius Jones, Terrell Owens and Marcus Spears for starters.

Bradie James was one of the most vocal about how happy he was when Bill left. I'd put Crayton on the list too who had just started to develop him mouth when TO showed up.

 

[Apollo Creed]

We can call them the Eggshell Brigade.

Jerry Jones, Julius Jones, Terrell Owens and Marcus Spears for starters.

He liked Ellis, not sure how he felt about Roy sucking up a huge contract and sucking. I'm sure the combination of Flozel and Gurode, weren't very helpful either.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

He'd laugh and probably say this is exactly the kind of nonsense that made him leave.

You keep saying that over and over again. Parcells left because that is what Parcells does after 4 or so years, he leaves.

Maybe he had issues with Owens but at the end of the day your scenario of Parcells more or less pussing out and giving up on what he would view as a challenge just doesn't hold water. At best all you have is innuendo on to go about it and quite frankly his history with the Jets and Pats tells a much different story.

 

[Alexander]

Isn't it pretty clear it's coaches, not players, who are leaking most of this? Watkins comes out with this article while he's in Mobile following the coaching staff who are down there for the Senior Bowl. I find it very unlikely players know administrative details of how Jerry refused to allow Wade to hike the team penalties and fines. Entirely plausible that a frustrated coaching staff is turning to the court of public opinion to lobby for more power since Jerry won't let them have it.

I agree. The pressure needs to be put where it belongs.

The fanbase is always going to scream for the head of the coaches.

They did it for Switzer. They did it for Gailey. They did it for Campo. They even did it for Coach Parcells. All the while, our Teflon-coated owner continued on unscathed. Now Phillips is getting the derision. Even our offensive coordinator is being blamed for a myriad of problems, some of which he cannot control.

Neither of them could have succeeded.

 

[Alexander]

You keep saying that over and over again. Parcells left because that is what Parcells does after 4 or so years, he leaves.

He left these jobs because of control. He wanted more control. Fault him for that if you wish.

Maybe he had issues with Owens but at the end of the day your scenario of Parcells more or less pussing out and giving up on what he would view as a challenge just doesn't hold water. At best all you have is innuendo on to go about it and quite frankly his history with the Jets and Pats tells a much different story.

How is it a challenge when you do not have complete control of the situation? Is he supposed to beat his head against a brick wall just for the sport of a challenge?

 

[Chief]

I got in on this thread late, but this disgusts me.

The problems start at the top with the owner, which makes fixing it seem hopeless.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Or he is doing what he has done in the past, which is insult our intelligence.

Again, you don't know crap and are making a huge assumption. How about we try to get Adam to chime in and then if youre right you can have righteous anger. You just sound like your lashing out atm.

 

[Alexander]

He liked Ellis, not sure how he felt about Roy sucking up a huge contract and sucking. I'm sure the combination of Flozel and Gurode, weren't very helpful either.

I would love to fault Ellis, but even he credited Coach Parcells after the fact and admitted he was right. These others were the most visably relieved and critical after he was gone.

Once again, it was like he was never here. I thought it would take a lot longer. There was even a stage last season where I doubted him. 2008 spoke for itself.

 

[Alexander]

Again, you don't know crap and are making a huge assumption.

I am making an assumption that Jerry Jones has been pulling the wool over our eyes for years about the issues with his special brand of ownership. That's correct. It is not about "knowing". He has been running an elaborate con for years that is predicated on the illusion that he's a competent general manager. I am not talking about finances. He finally turned that over to Stephen Jones to fix. I am talking about the day-to-day operations of this team. The management of personalities and his philosophy on how to run an entire organization.

How about we try to get Adam to chime in and then if youre right you can have righteous anger. You just sound like your lashing out atm.

What on earth would Adam know about this? This is not something he can use a slide rule and calculator to determine, (other that our zero playoff wins since 1996) so his opinion would be no more valid than anyone else's.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

He left these jobs because of control. He wanted more control. Fault him for that if you wish.



How is it a challenge when you do not have complete control of the situation? Is he supposed to beat his head against a brick wall just for the sport of a challenge?

Oh now you know the man personally and can peer into his psyche? Give me a break. I could care less why he leaves. He just does it. I personally THINK that its because he wants to do it on his own terms and he knows that after 4 or 5 years normally the calling card is just a matter of time.

Oh and there is only one little problem with your control scenario. Parcells came in knowing that he wouldn't have complete control here. But please stop saying things as absolutes as if your answer is the one and only correct one. Your just as blind as the rest of us.

 

[InmanRoshi]

And Alex, I don't know what to make of that comment from Jerry that cutting TO would mean losing Ware. Either he was flatly lying, or he is now so far out of the loop with Stephen handling the cap and contracts that he truly didn't know what he was talking about.

In the the same interview with Norm where he said he couldn't release TO without sacrificing resigning Ware, he also said that Terrell Owens had not had any incidents of showing up late for team meetings when Norm pressed him on it.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I am making an assumption that Jerry Jones has been pulling the wool over our eyes for years about the issues with his special brand of ownership?



What on earth would Adam know about this? This is not something he can use a slide rule and calculator to determine, so his opinion would be no more valid than anyone else's.

Oh so if Adam couldn't know then you sure as hell couldn't so why are you wasting our time?

Really all youre doing here is the typical Jerry as the boogeyman fearmongering. When specifics come into question you get indignant.

Oh and Adam could probably set a lot of light oon the subject. He knows what are current cap situation is and he would know what our cap situation has been in the past. He also has access to contracts from around the league like Freeny's who would be a great starting point.

He applies a theoretical contract akin to the Freeney contract and then determines what our cap situation is afterwards. Its actually not all that hard if you have access to the info he does.

But hey its more fun to use the favorite past time around here: Romo and Jones fearmongering. Excuse me if it bores me.

 

[bysbox1]

LOL...

And I can't believe people think that an 860k cap hit means we "can't" cut TO.

It's not the 860K that's the problem. TO still leaves 8 million of unused space on the cap. Admitted he does not take away from our available cap space, but we will still pay for him to be on the roster.

Jerry the businessman is not going to do that.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Oh so if Adam couldn't know then you sure as hell couldn't so why are you wasting our time?

Really all youre doing here is the typical Jerry as the boogeyman fearmongering. When specifics come into question you get indignant.

Oh and Adam could probably set a lot of light oon the subject. He knows what are current cap situation is and he would know what our cap situation has been in the past. He also has access to contracts from around the league like Freeny's who would be a great starting point.

He applies a theoretical contract akin to the Freeney contract and then determines what our cap situation is afterwards. Its actually not all that hard if you have access to the info he does.

But hey its more fun to use the favorite past time around here: Romo and Jones fearmongering. Excuse me if it bores me.

Fuzzy, it doesn't take Adam to know at least a close approximation of what the cap hit would be for cutting Owens. The numbers are and have been out there.

 

[wileedog]

Oh now you know the man personally and can peer into his psyche? Give me a break. I could care less why he leaves. He just does it. I personally THINK that its because he wants to do it on his own terms and he knows that after 4 or 5 years normally the calling card is just a matter of time.

Oh and there is only one little problem with your control scenario. Parcells came in knowing that he wouldn't have complete control here. But please stop saying things as absolutes as if your answer is the one and only correct one. Your just as blind as the rest of us.

Until Parcells comes and posts on the board what his exact motivations were, its all speculation on everyone's part.

Should we all shut up and stop posting until he does?

Plus I *think* Parcells surely came in knowing he wouldn't have complete control, but you have to wonder if TO was just one step too far. He had to see the divisions in the locker already starting, and just didn't want to deal with it.

Most of all actually I *think* he was burnt out trying to coach this team and wanted to move upstairs into an Exec position. He knew that was NEVER going to happen here.

 

[Idgit]

You keep saying that over and over again. Parcells left because that is what Parcells does after 4 or so years, he leaves.

Maybe he had issues with Owens but at the end of the day your scenario of Parcells more or less pussing out and giving up on what he would view as a challenge just doesn't hold water. At best all you have is innuendo on to go about it and quite frankly his history with the Jets and Pats tells a much different story.

Thank you. This insinuation bugs me, too, but it's just not one I want to wade into. Parcells said when he came in that he's not for everybody and he has a shelf-life. He's also been nothing but complimentary of his working relationship with Jerry Jones, and gave several press conferences with tears in his eyes while talking about the players he had on this team.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Until Parcells comes and posts on the board what his exact motivations were, its all speculation on everyone's part.

Should we all shut up and stop posting until he does?

Plus I *think* Parcells surely came in knowing he wouldn't have complete control, but you have to wonder if TO was just one step too far. He had to see the divisions in the locker already starting, and just didn't want to deal with it.

Most of all actually I *think* he was burnt out trying to coach this team and wanted to move upstairs into an Exec position. He knew that was NEVER going to happen here.

Alex has a way of saying things so that his opinions are presented as fact. I have no issue with opinion presented as just that. FWIW, I agree with your assessment as well.

 

[odog422]

Its not the money, its the ego.

Cutting TO a year after giving him a huge extension is a massive mea culpa he just can't swallow. Probably why Wade is still here too, because Jerry spent so much time during the 13-3 year talking about how much better things were without Parcells.

Plus I think Jerry truly doesn't believe there is all that much wrong with this team or like the TO Fan club that Owens is really a distraction. This clubhouse is going exactly where it was in the Switzer years because to Jerry that is a normal clubhouse.

 

[Arch Stanton]

NO I believe a number of players can be cut and should be. And guys like roy williams will add cap space.

Removing people is the fastest way to get the players attention.

And we do have a 3rd round pick, just not a 1.

That's what Darren Woodson said a couple weeks back.

The only way to get the attention of the players was to bench or cut them.

So far we've had a couple of coaches gone. Who is next? A player.....?

What / who getting cut will get their attention?