DMN - Sources: Dallas Cowboys often tardy, undisciplined in '08

[adbutcher]

Exactly...

Which is the same reason I suspect Stephen Jones himself leaked that he wanted TO gone.

I wouldn't be surprised if this isn't being done to put pressure on Jerry. Maybe the coaches and/or front office know that Jerry won't listen and they're trying everything they can think of to persuade him.

What's sad is, Galloway has changed his mind from saying he thinks TO will be gone to that he'll be here next year. Why? Because now so many people are calling for it, he thinks that will only make Jerry more determined to NOT do it.

In the back of my mind, I'm afraid he's right.

I think you are stretching this a bit.

I don't think Stephen would betray his father's trust under any situation. I could understand a disgruntle coach, Brian Stewart or Read perhaps but not one of the Jones Boys.

 

[theebs]

Exactly...

Which is the same reason I suspect Stephen Jones himself leaked that he wanted TO gone.

I wouldn't be surprised if this isn't being done to put pressure on Jerry. Maybe the coaches and/or front office know that Jerry won't listen and they're trying everything they can think of to persuade him.

wouldnt suprise me, in the 6 seasons I have lived here I have never missed special edition. Lots of weeks stephen hosts, thats how I became to like him. He is different from jerry. I have heard him say many times that my dad is stubborn and is a born risk taker and how he wasnt, and things of that nature.

it would make perfect sense if the coaches were the ones leaking things, I stand by my assumption that brian stewart talked to Ed Werder the most on the field before games and so did jason and john garret.

Its funny, in the 95 americas game there is a segment with jerry running around on the field yapping up the new draft picks and aikman and garret are standing there like why does he do this? These guys havent done anything and he is treating them like stars....garret is seen just rolling his eyes and laughing.

So maybe the man so many are trying to get rid of is responsible for trying to fix a mess behind the scenes.

I know garret must hate owens by the way laufenberg talks about owens, and from that mishap by larry brown and brad sham. Brad sham just like laufenberg talks to garret all the time, and I bet owens behind closed doors is talked about pretty bluntly with alot of the media guys, based on facts they know from coaches.

I just dont know what the frigging hold up is. Remove owens, and then demand respect and discipline from everyone else. If people dont cooperate make examples. Roy Williams, Bobby Carpenter and Gregg Ellis would be on my short list to make examples out of.

again, I dont get the hold up. Owens should not be on this roster. And if wade is such a pushover that he cant command respect send him with owens.

 

[mschmidt64]

This article is the first time I have ever heard anything like this before.

I think I am going to wait for either a second source or for Jerry to address this before passing judgement.

I just have a hard time believing this is legit......at least I hope it is not legit

If you haven't heard of anything like this before you haven't been paying attention.

This is Jerry's specialty.

How about the time, leading up the Bill Parcells' first draft in Dallas, Jerry took him out to dinner and informed him point blank that they were going to take Terence Newman instead of whoever Parcells wanted. According to Larry Lacewell, they took him out and "made him mad."

An intelligent GM would have let his new Hall of Fame coach acquire personnel and build the team the way he saw fit. Especially when that coach is about 50 times smarter than the GM when it comes to personnel.

Not our GM though. Our GM is a meddling idiot.

And he does this stuff all the time.

And we'll never win with him in the driver seat.

 

[jobberone]

The media knows entirely too much about the Dallas Cowboys.
A low profile in Dallas can only be dicussed in terms of tires.

:laugh2:

 

[InmanRoshi]

FWIW, Norm is talking about this story today, and his show producer ... which KTCK is the official radio station of the Cowboys and responsible for the radio broadcasts ... was on the team plane in question that was delayed an hour. He said he doesn't specifically know why the plane was delayed but he was told at check in at the counter that the flight could be delayed by as much as 3 hours because they were experiencing 40 mile an hour winds at DFW and they had shut down several runways creating a bottleneck. It's entirely possible players may have been late boarding and that was the holdup, but that may also be because when they checked in and heard the flight could be 3 hours delayed they decided to go back to their cars and run some errands or grab a bite to eat, because he almost did the same thing.

He didn't accuse Calvin Watkins' of "making stuff up", because the plane was delayed and there might have been players missing or late, so his "sources" were technically correct ... but it makes him wonder who his sources are when they don't know the specific details of this situation and all of the Cowboys brass, players, coaches and training staff were on this plane and would know the situation.

 

[TNCowboy]

The guy is a disaster and so is the head coach and they both have no business being part of this organization still.

What can Wade do? Don't get me wrong, I have no confidence that Wade is or will be a good HC, but with Jerry Jones holding the puppet strings, Wade has no chance.

His only choices are to comply, or walk out on the last HC job he'll ever get.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

I think you are stretching this a bit.

I don't think Stephen would betray his father's trust under any situation. I could understand a disgruntle coach, Brian Stewart or Read perhaps but not one of the Jones Boys.

That's possible. I'm obviously speculating.

But how many people would really know that Stephen wanted him gone?

Maybe Garrett, like theebs said. But maybe both of them.

But Stephen has not issued even a hint of a denial to those stories. That's telling.

 

[adbutcher]

FWIW, Norm is talking about this story today, and his show producer ... which KTCK is the official radio station of the Cowboys and the game broadcasts ... was on the team plane in question that was delayed. He said he doesn't specifically know why the plane was delayed but he was told at check in at the counter that the flight could be delayed by as much as 3 hours because they were experiencing 40 mile an hour winds at DFW and they had shut down several runways creating a bottleneck. There may have been players who were late boarding, but that may be because when they heard the flight might be 3 hours delayed they decided to go back to their cars and run some errands or grab a bite to eat, because he almost did the same thing.

Now this is interesting. Interesting indeed. Guys put away your swords, this might be a false alarm, lol.

 

[theebs]

FWIW, Norm is talking about this story today, and his show producer ... which KTCK is the official radio station of the Cowboys and the game broadcasts ... was on the team plane in question that was delayed. He said he doesn't specifically know why the plane was delayed but he was told at check in at the counter that the flight could be delayed by as much as 3 hours because they were experiencing 40 mile an hour winds at DFW and they had shut down several runways creating a bottleneck. There may have been players who were late boarding, but that may be because when they heard the flight might be 3 hours delayed they decided to go back to their cars and run some errands or grab a bite to eat, because he almost did the same thing.

that is a different story from what jjt and archer said on the score two weeks ago. JJT actually said at the meeting owens was stuck in traffic and they waited over an hour for him to get there for the meeting.

now it seems to me there must be so many times that this nonsense was going on that there will be many stories.

friedo is the one who said the guys on the plane ride home from philly were having a good time like they won the game.

 

[theebs]

What can Wade do? Don't get me wrong, I have no confidence that Wade is or will be a good HC, but with Jerry Jones holding the puppet strings, Wade has no chance.

His only choices are to comply, or walk out on the last HC job he'll ever get.

Your absolutely right. Its on Jerry. I dont mean to make it sound like its not.

But I still think if wade commanded more respect and held everyone accountable he wouldnt have as many problems.

Wades motto when he was hired was trust, loyalty and common purpose.

We have the exact opposite after two seasons. He is part of the problem.

Wade let it be known that he would enable guys like owens 5 minutes after he was hired when he made jokes about parcells and said I dont handle players I work with them.

Now it looks like he works for them and hence time to go.

 

[jobberone]

Being late is overrated. Industrial america's fascination on 5 minutes is silly IMO. What concerns me is Garrett and Wade being unable to control practice. it kind of jives with what went on in the playoff game with Romo waving off the punt team.

It looks to me that Romo needs to be put in his place. I don't think the coaches we have can do it.

I disagree here. Being late 5-15 minutes means it impacts the rest of the day. One meeting a day I agree with you. I wouldn't care if they played well, knew who to block, yada. This lacksadaisical attitude would account for some of the teams shortcomings. There's some meat here.

Romo not taking someone being critical. Late for planes and meetings. This is a breakdown of an organization. Doesn't matter in many things. But in war you can't have that kind of thing. It will defeat you.

 

[zeromaster]

I'm not jumping on GtB's bandwagon, mainly because I don't trust his driving skilz

I suspect Wade, deep down, wants to see players/coaches grow on their own and reap the rewards of hard work by motivating themselves. Whether he was raised like that, or came up with it on his own, I don't know. That being said, this really isn't the era or occupation for that approach. At best, it works for maybe one or two seasons.

Especially since the media has turned pro sports into something bigger than it is, the participants themselves often get caught up in the circus atmosphere and revert to their worst tendencies, regardless of what they may be like personally.

Think about it: how does somebody toe the straight and narrow line, continuing to put in all the drudge work of film, workouts, and hard/focused practice time, when everyone around them is busy sticking a camera/microphone in looking for a scoop? There are very few that can do it, and the more people in the group, the worse it gets.

People in the public eye are often not that different from little kids: they need supervision and some external discipline (don't go there, zoners), or the more of them that get together, the more they act up.

jmo...

 

[Apollo Creed]

This thread will carry us until the draft.

 

[theebs]

I'm not jumping on GtB's bandwagon, mainly because I don't trust his driving skilz

I suspect Wade, deep down, wants to see players/coaches grow on their own and reap the rewards of hard work by motivating themselves. Whether he was raised like that, or came up with it on his own, I don't know. That being said, this really isn't the era or occupation for that approach. At best, it works for maybe one or two seasons.

Especially since the media has turned pro sports into something bigger than it is, the participants themselves often get caught up in the circus atmosphere and revert to their worst tendencies, regardless of what they may be like personally.

Think about it: how does somebody toe the straight and narrow line, continuing to put in all the drudge work of film, workouts, and hard/focused practice time, when everyone around them is busy sticking a camera/microphone in looking for a scoop? There are very few that can do it, and the more people in the group, the worse it gets.

People in the public eye are often not that different from little kids: they need supervision and some external discipline (don't go there, zoners), or the more of them that get together, the more they act up.

jmo...

good post and that is why parcells said this was his hardest job. He had to clear up all the jerry years of nonsense and then change the culture.

You just spoke to the culture to a t. Entitlement reigns supreme in Dallas. Even when coaches get hired they become celebrities.

That is why all the open media crap and the nonstop radio shows are all parts of the problem.

 

[InmanRoshi]

that is a different story from what jjt and archer said on the score two weeks ago. JJT actually said at the meeting owens was stuck in traffic and they waited over an hour for him to get there for the meeting.

Well, JJT might have been right because the meeting and the delayed flight are two different incidents. And one doesn't automatically validate or invalidate the other. Friedo didn't mention anything about the team demeanor on the plane on the way back, so who knows on that.

Obviously some reporters are more credible than others, and Watkins is pretty much at the bottom of the list for me (and probably with you as well). I do believe Brad and Babe, as they're paid employees of Jerry Jones as the team broadcasters, are around the Cowboys on a daily basis, and have have absolutely no motive to put their neck's on the line to character assassinate a Cowboys player in the media ... quite the opposite, in fact. Brad was busted spilling the beans off the air (or so he believed).

 

[dcfanatic]

First thing that jumped out to me.

Another example of the media drum beat to get Owens out of here and the "sucked" falling for it.

I think this theory is the stupidest thing I have ever heard.

It's like a person having a money tree growing in their backyard and then running out to chop it down.

Terrell Owens wearing the star equals media gold.

How can you not see that?

:bang2: :bang2: :bang2:

 

[Yoshimitsu]

I think this theory is the stupidest thing I have ever heard.

It's like a person having a money tree growing in their backyard and then running out to chop it down.

Terrell Owens wearing the star equals media gold.

How can you not see that?

:bang2: :bang2: :bang2:

Because he is too busy stroking T.O.'s shaft.

 

[bysbox1]

wouldnt suprise me, in the 6 seasons I have lived here I have never missed special edition. Lots of weeks stephen hosts, thats how I became to like him. He is different from jerry. I have heard him say many times that my dad is stubborn and is a born risk taker and how he wasnt, and things of that nature.

it would make perfect sense if the coaches were the ones leaking things, I stand by my assumption that brian stewart talked to Ed Werder the most on the field before games and so did jason and john garret.

Its funny, in the 95 americas game there is a segment with jerry running around on the field yapping up the new draft picks and aikman and garret are standing there like why does he do this? These guys havent done anything and he is treating them like stars....garret is seen just rolling his eyes and laughing.

So maybe the man so many are trying to get rid of is responsible for trying to fix a mess behind the scenes.

I know garret must hate owens by the way laufenberg talks about owens, and from that mishap by larry brown and brad sham. Brad sham just like laufenberg talks to garret all the time, and I bet owens behind closed doors is talked about pretty bluntly with alot of the media guys, based on facts they know from coaches.

I just dont know what the frigging hold up is. Remove owens, and then demand respect and discipline from everyone else. If people dont cooperate make examples. Roy Williams, Bobby Carpenter and Gregg Ellis would be on my short list to make examples out of.

again, I dont get the hold up. Owens should not be on this roster. And if wade is such a pushover that he cant command respect send him with owens.

The hold up is you start cutting players for accountablility and you essentially start purging your roster. The fact is, while Owens does not affect your dollars under the cap, you still have chunks of money on the cap that is being spent for a player that is not on the roster. And then you have to replace him, sign free agents, keep your own guys from leaving, and sign draft picks . . . And don't forget DeMarcus Ware is getting ready to become the 100 million dollar man. Add to that no first or third round draft picks, and you can put yourself in a hole removing players from this existing roster.

Sounds like a rebuild to me. And do you want Wade Phillips as the guy to coach you through a rebuild? That's what I thought.

When you start cutting like that, you are basically roster purging and starting over. And I don't think Jerry's ego (or a lot of fans for that matter) can go through a start over. Heck, Parcells is 2 years removed from building this team.

Jerry wil try to make this roster work as for one more year, and he makes everyone re-dedicate themself (or in his terms he takes them out to the woodshed). If there is no improvement after next season, you will see the purge. That way he can get the right coach to rebuild and the cap hits won't be as bad.

 

[fanfromvirginia]

I just heard on The Herd that Werder is reporting that team flights were consistently delayed by Jerry, not players.

 

[Apollo Creed]

Bill Parcells should've stayed 3 more years, we'd still be playing right now.

I'd love to hear his thoughts on all this.