DMN - Sources: Dallas Cowboys often tardy, undisciplined in '08

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Fuzzy, it doesn't take Adam to know at least a close approximation of what the cap hit would be for cutting Owens. The numbers are and have been out there.

I understand that but keep in mind what Alex is saying. Not even Adam could shed light on the subject.

Has anyone actually done the legwork of how much space we would have after a hit of cutting Owens.

I know that Freeney got a 6 year $72 million contract with $30 of that guaranteed. You can only prorate 5 years now and if you were to backload off from the first two years you have a minimum cap hit of 6 million assuming that Ware's contract is similar to Freeney's.

Do we have that much for the next couple of years plus a couple mill for draft picks and wiggle room?

 

[bysbox1]

NO I believe a number of players can be cut and should be. And guys like roy williams will add cap space.

Removing people is the fastest way to get the players attention.

And we do have a 3rd round pick, just not a 1.

Nope. We don't have a third round pick:

http://www.freep.com/article/20090119/BLOG21/90119070/1049/rss14

Cowboys want Roy Williams to work

Dallas owner Jerry Jones doesn’t seem to regret sending first- and third-round picks to the Lions as part of a package for wide receiver Roy Williams — and signing Williams to a big contract extension — even though Williams caught only 19 passes in 10 games for him.

Not a good way to rebuild if you start purging the roster now.

 

[odog422]

In the the same interview with Norm where he said he couldn't release TO without sacrificing resigning Ware, he also said that Terrell Owens had not had any incidents of showing up late for team meetings when Norm pressed him on it.

Wow. This should really get out there, along with this article to put the pressure where it truly belongs. At the top.

 

[rcaldw]

The problems are obvious:

*Jerry Jones destroys his own team with bad judgment and micro management. He is a very rich man with a very expensive toy and he is going to have fun with that toy because he can. If you choose to be a Cowboys fan then you better get used to Jerry, because this is the way it is going to be, period. Maybe one day Stephen will take over but if Jerry has good genes then I will probably be too old to care anymore.

*Tony Romo has talent but he does not have what the great ones have when it comes to his attitude toward the game. I know that many will continue to defend him and say there is a grand conspiracy against him, and we are all wrong, and that is your right. All I know is that the New England Patriots had a parking spot set aside for the hardest worker in training camp, I guess it was voted on by players and coaches. Tom Brady KEPT that parking spot every year. I can't stand Tom Brady, but I know this, great QB's outwork their team mates and that is why they can LEAD their team mates. Tony Romo has gotten rich, famous and lazy. Does it really surprise you to read that he can't handle criticism from Garrett? Heck, just watch him react to his own mistakes and to criticism in a press conference. The guy's biggest problem may be his inability to handle anything less than praise.

*If Terrell Owens is still around this team come next season then Jerry Jones is an ever bigger dunce than I think he is. Look at my sig, I like Owens as a player, but I'm sick of this garbage.

*It will take a head coach who isn't afraid of Jerry to fix this, and I don't think Jerry will hire that head coach any time soon. If this team wins with Wade at the helm, it will be a miracle.

*I am saddened when the team I have loved since I can remember, and I'm now 45 years old, has become a joke. From 44-6, to this report today, to the three ring circus that we had this year, Jerry Jones doesn't know what it means to lead this team in a way that speaks of class. I miss Tom Landry.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Nope. We don't have a third round pick:



Not a good way to rebuild if you start purging the roster now.

Yeah we do we picked one up in a trade.

 

[Alexander]

Oh so if Adam couldn't know then you sure as hell couldn't

Spare me your nauseating hero worship. Its not very flattering.

Really all youre doing here is the typical Jerry as the boogeyman fearmongering.

When specifics come into question you get indignant.

What specifics? I can list you a variety of sources that demonstrate that Jerry Jones is doing exactly what he did right after Switzer was fired. But obviously that would not impress you because Adam wouldn't be telling you the information and you couldn't gobble it up like a mental deficient.

It is not fearmongering. It is reality. If you cannot take it, that is your issue.

Oh and Adam could probably set a lot of light oon the subject. He knows what are current cap situation is and he would know what our cap situation has been in the past. He also has access to contracts from around the league like Freeny's who would be a great starting point.

A number of sources have put the numbers right at what it would cost us to release Owens versus keeping him. That's besides the point. I am not referring to cap numbers in terms of Jerry Jones' lies. I will leave that to the bean counters. I was referring to this as yet another winking grinning salesjob that this owner puts on the fanbase every single year and has done for over a decade. He honestly counts on fans to overlook his transgressions and for the most part, he's right. He's got a sucker in you right now.

I know the sources I have read put the cost to release Owens at less than a million more than it would cost just to pay him. That's all Adam is going to be able to tell you. But please sit there and continue to slobber on yourself until you get the confirmation you so desperately need.

But hey its more fun to use the favorite past time around here: Romo and Jones fearmongering. Excuse me if it bores me.

Your excuse-making and Adam worship is equally dull.

 

[Apollo Creed]

The problems are obvious:

*Jerry Jones destroys his own team with bad judgment and micro management. He is a very rich man with a very expensive toy and he is going to have fun with that toy because he can. If you choose to be a Cowboys fan then you better get used to Jerry, because this is the way it is going to be, period. Maybe one day Stephen will take over but if Jerry has good genes then I will probably be too old to care anymore.

*Tony Romo has talent but he does not have what the great ones have when it comes to his attitude toward the game. I know that many will continue to defend him and say there is a grand conspiracy against him, and we are all wrong, and that is your right. All I know is that the New England Patriots had a parking spot set aside for the hardest worker in training camp, I guess it was voted on by players and coaches. Tom Brady KEPT that parking spot every year. I can't stand Tom Brady, but I know this, great QB's outwork their team mates and that is why they can LEAD their team mates. Tony Romo has gotten rich, famous and lazy. Does it really surprise you to read that he can't handle criticism from Garrett? Heck, just watch him react to his own mistakes and to criticism in a press conference. The guy's biggest problem may be his inability to handle anything less than praise.

*If Terrell Owens is still around this team come next season then Jerry Jones is an ever bigger dunce than I think he is. Look at my sig, I like Owens as a player, but I'm sick of this garbage.

*It will take a head coach who isn't afraid of Jerry to fix this, and I don't think Jerry will hire that head coach any time soon. If this team wins with Wade at the helm, it will be a miracle.

*I am saddened when the team I have loved since I can remember, and I'm now 45 years old, has become a joke. From 44-6, to this report today, to the three ring circus that we had this year, Jerry Jones doesn't know what it means to lead this team in a way that speaks of class. I miss Tom Landry.

Good post, especially about Romo. That bobbled snap hurt him. Going 13-3 helped, but ever since that Giants game I haven't seen any improvement in Romo. Something has certainly slowed his development, and I think the main problem is that he thinks he **** doesn't stink anymore. Bottom line.

 

[Alexander]

Alex has a way of saying things so that his opinions are presented as fact. I have no issue with opinion presented as just that. FWIW, I agree with your assessment as well.

In the future, I think I can oblige and simply put IMO after everything so you do not get confused.

 

[HanD]

Yeah we do we picked one up in a trade.

here's your link:

http://cowboysblog.***BANNED-URL***/archives/2008/04/cowboys-get-a-2009-third.html

Cowboys get a 2009 third

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The Cowboys got a 2009 third-round pick, as Cleveland drafted Missouri TE Martin Rucker 111th overall.

 

[Alexander]

I got in on this thread late, but this disgusts me.

The problems start at the top with the owner, which makes fixing it seem hopeless.

It sounds to me that you are expressing opinion as fact. You might want to edit your post so certain people do not get confused.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Spare me your nauseating hero worship. Its not very flattering.



What specifics? I can list you a variety of sources that demonstrate that Jerry Jones is doing exactly what he did right after Switzer was fired. But obviously that would not impress you because Adam wouldn't be telling you the information and you couldn't gobble it up like a mental deficient.

It is not fearmongering. It is reality. If you cannot take it, that is your issue.



A number of sources have put the numbers right at what it would cost us to release Owens versus keeping him. That's besides the point. I am not referring to cap numbers in terms of Jerry Jones' lies. I will leave that to the bean counters. I was referring to this as yet another winking grinning salesjob that this owner puts on the fanbase every single year and has done for over a decade. He honestly counts on fans to overlook his transgressions and for the most part, he's right. He's got a sucker in you right now.

I know the sources I have read put the cost to release Owens at less than a million more than it would cost just to pay him. That's all Adam is going to be able to tell you. But please sit there and continue to slobber on yourself until you get the confirmation you so desperately need.



Your excuse-making and Adam worship is equally dull.

Show the sources its really boring with you so far. I am actually going around trying to figure out whether he is being misleading about the cap and indications so far are no.

We are $6.3 under the cap as it is and Ware's cap hit is going to be minimum $6 assuming he gets the same money as Freeney.

But hey you are barking up the wrong tree there. So put your money where your mouth is. what exactly is Jones doing that is the same from the Switzer era? His drafts certainly aren't like that nor his FA moves. But hey lets play the tabloid routine.

Oh and its not hero worship. Its just an understanding that someone is much more knowledgeable on the subject and that it doesn't hurt to go to them for more definitive answers. In this you are just like Theo you cannot handle that concept. For one that likes to accuse Jones is dissembling, theres a mirror in your bathroom.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

In the future, I think I can oblige and simply put IMO after everything so you do not get confused.

The difference is your talking specifics and they are just talking in generalities. You know exactly what I am talking about. They way you were talking about Parcells it would leave someone to believe that you knew something the rest of us didn't. Don't be coy.

 

[links18]

I guess this is the shot back at Jerry -- don't talk to us and we'll print everything negative we can think of.

And this quote is quite a bit different than the one reported earlier.

No it isn't.....

 

[HanD]

We are $6.3 under the cap as it is and Ware's cap hit is going to be minimum $6 assuming he gets the same money as Freeney.

we are actually 10 mil under.....

Cowboys add 2009 cap room



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When the Cowboys promoted tight end Rodney Hannah from the practice squad for the final week of the season, they also created $5.7 million in salary-cap space for 2009.


Hannah could have received the $5.7 million had he blocked four punts in the season finale at Philadelphia, but he was not active. By not reaching the incentive that money rolls into the '09 cap.


Some of that money will be eaten up by incentives (like the $1 million Zach Thomas received) but the Cowboys figure to have around $10 million when free agency begins in March.

 

[wileedog]

we are actually 10 mil under.....

Cowboys add 2009 cap room



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When the Cowboys promoted tight end Rodney Hannah from the practice squad for the final week of the season, they also created $5.7 million in salary-cap space for 2009.


Hannah could have received the $5.7 million had he blocked four punts in the season finale at Philadelphia, but he was not active. By not reaching the incentive that money rolls into the '09 cap.


Some of that money will be eaten up by incentives (like the $1 million Zach Thomas received) but the Cowboys figure to have around $10 million when free agency begins in March.

And they'll get another $2M back just from cutting Brad Johnson, which I am assuming is a given.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

we are actually 10 mil under.....

Cowboys add 2009 cap room



3:22 PM Mon, Jan 05, 2009 | Permalink | Yahoo! Buzz
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When the Cowboys promoted tight end Rodney Hannah from the practice squad for the final week of the season, they also created $5.7 million in salary-cap space for 2009.


Hannah could have received the $5.7 million had he blocked four punts in the season finale at Philadelphia, but he was not active. By not reaching the incentive that money rolls into the '09 cap.


Some of that money will be eaten up by incentives (like the $1 million Zach Thomas received) but the Cowboys figure to have around $10 million when free agency begins in March.

Alright good stuff.

Like I said we will take at least a $6 mil hit if Ware gets Freeney money and more than that if its not backloaded completely. For the sake of argument I don't see a $6 mill hit a bad starting point. That leaves us with $4 mill. Then you have the draft picks and seeing we dont have a first were probably looking at $3 mil or so after they are signed.

That leaves our FA which are

Dallas Cowboys free agents

Profile3_tiny by Dave Halprin (Grizz) on Dec 31, 2008 1:00 AM CST in News

Todd Archer posted the list of UFA's, RFA's and ERFA's in an article on Tuesday. I'll take my shot at their future then you do the same in the comments.

Unrestricted free agents

OG Joe Berger: Not worth it. We could use upgrades for backups in the middle of the line, someone better can surely be found.
QB Brooks Bollinger: Depends on how much he wants. He could be a stop-gap backup but the Cowboys need to look at developing a future QB who could push Romo and come in during injury. One thing is for sure, Brad Johnson has got to go.
LB Kevin Burnett: Tough call only because I think he'll get some good offers from other teams. Can definitely play on third downs but could he play consistently against the run? With Zach saying he's leaving ILB is a position of need so that might push the franchise to keep him.
DE Chris Canty: Another tough one because he should also get other offers. Physically, he's just want you want in a 3-4 DE but he's never produced the way we hoped.
S Keith Davis: Love his effort but he's not the solution as a starting safety. We can only keep him if he comes very cheap.
DT Tank Johnson: Hasn't produced and screamed "I'm a free agent" immediately upon entering the locker room after the Eagles game. Buh-bye.
LB Carlos Polk: Actually made plays on special teams, I would like to see them keep him.
LB Zach Thomas: He sounds like he doesn't want to be here and the one-year experiment wasn't exactly successful. I don't see it.

Restricted free agents

WR Miles Austin: They should keep this kid. I thought they should have used him more at the end of the year at receiver. He finally learned to catch the ball and has size and speed.
DE Stephen Bowen: Occasionally made plays when given a chance. Good guy to have as a backup.
TE Tony Curtis: Time to go.
WR Sam Hurd: Don't know if he really will have a chance, he's buried on the depth chart. Might be time for new blood.
OG Cory Procter: No way!

Exclusive rights free agents

TE Rodney Hannah: Could at least replace Curtis as the third TE.
P Sam Paulescu: Welcome back Mat McBriar, goodbye Sam.
RB Alonzo Coleman: Just don't see room for him on the active roster.

http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2008/12/31/705734/dallas-cowboys-free-agents

There is also the need to sign a backup QB. Canty would surely be gone leaving a hole there. You have to think were at least going to tender Austin, Hurd and Bowen.

 

[saphire1]

Good post, especially about Romo. That bobbled snap hurt him. Going 13-3 helped, but ever since that Giants game I haven't seen any improvement in Romo. Something has certainly slowed his development, and I think the main problem is that he thinks he **** doesn't stink anymore. Bottom line.

the guy said after one reporter dared question his high turnovers, he replied: "well, look at the td's ive thrown and high yardage i got...."

 

[Alexander]

But hey you are barking up the wrong tree there. So put your money where your mouth is. what exactly is Jones doing that is the same from the Switzer era? His drafts certainly aren't like that nor his FA moves. But hey lets play the tabloid routine.

He is continuing the same country club atmosphere that existed post-Johnson and ruined whatever progress Coach Parcells was able to achieve. He has installed another gelded coaching staff that is either powerless or unwilling to do what is necessary to run a tight disciplined team. He has the "co-head coach" system he always wanted.

Only the problem is that his plan is still fatally flawed. He is still a big part of the equation. The players all know who the ultimate decision maker is. They have been conditioned to behave that way.

All the while he is allowing the perception to exist that the coaches are those who need to change. He just refers to "re-inventing" himself but will never admit his own failures. He allows the media to skewer his coach while he emerges scot-free. Until he bottoms out again like a pathetic drug addict, we will not see much in terms of "change". All we will see is continuity. And that is frightening because by its sheer definition it means there the foundation is set and he believes his system works.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

He is continuing the same country club atmosphere that existed post-Johnson and ruined whatever progress Coach Parcells was able to achieve. He has installed another gelded coaching staff that is either powerless or unwilling to do what is necessary to run a tight disciplined team. He has the "co-head coach" system he always wanted.

Only the problem is that his plan is still fatally flawed. He is still a big part of the equation. The players all know who the ultimate decision maker is. They have been conditioned to behave that way.

All the while he is allowing the perception to exist that the coaches are those who need to change. He just refers to "re-inventing" himself but will never admit his own failures. He allows the media to skewer his coach while he emerges scot-free. Until he bottoms out again like a pathetic drug addict, we will not see much in terms of "change". All we will see is continuity. And that is frightening because by its sheer definition it means there the foundation is set and he believes his system works.

You said you could provide sources. You making crap up without personal knowledge or at least some backing is meaningless. And lets not forget you are the one that said you could provide that.

You are one of those people that like to repeat something over and over again hoping that it will be accepted as truth. i really like how youve completely bailed on your 'Jerry thinks were stupid about the cap' take.

Oh and when was the last time you heard someone that thought they were doing things the right way say that serious changes were needed?

But hey you seem to have all the answers why don't we just hero worship you?

 

[khiladi]

Amazing how all reporters use to talk about how focused Romo was in practice, as well as TO during the season... Now, they;ve changed course...

I guess the whole team was angry at Tony Romo, when they were ecstatic about TR coming back from his injury...