DMN: Sporting News writer: Greg Hardy has rendered himself 'almost untouchable'

[Miller]

So the "truth" is an orphan mid season?

Yes. How many players have you ever heard mid season when a coach is in trouble say "coach isn't getting us prepared and we just don't have a game plan."

How many times during a season...especially one like last year..would a star player say "he is a distraction in the locker room and its been tough for us to play with him." Remember they still could have won their crap division and Tony was coming back Thanksgiving.

Please be realistic. HOF vets saying it post -season is another story and that is what is being said now.

 

[Miller]

Holder testified under oath in the initial hearing that Hardy didn't hit her. Her story (then) was that he put his hands around her throat and threatened her.
Why would her story be different in Court than it was in her Police report?

Scared, which is what happens to many victims in America.

Stop painting this with such a black and white brush.

 

[JoeKing]

Yes. How many players have you ever heard mid season when a coach is in trouble say "coach isn't getting us prepared and we just don't have a game plan."

How many times during a season...especially one like last year..would a star player say "he is a distraction in the locker room and its been tough for us to play with him." Remember they still could have won their crap division and Tony was coming back Thanksgiving.

Please be realistic. HOF vets saying it post -season is another story and that is what is being said now.

Every time they respond to a question with "next question". It happens a lot. That's not what Romo or Newton did.

 

[Kaiser]

Majority of it is second hand accounts.

But at what point do you stop assuming that all these people saying Hardy had some issues in the locker room are just making it up?

When we stop getting all the first hand accounts from Dallas and Carolina teammates that say the opposite.

 

[Kaiser]

Scared, which is what happens to many victims in America.

She was so scared that she changed her story from "He picked me up over his head and threw me across the room" to "He choked me and threatened to kill me"?

Do you even read what you write?

 

[LittleD]

I'll be sure to slam you with this post come training camp. LOL

Please remember to do it. There are more than a few Neanderthals on this zone that continue to think he
couldn't possibly do anything wrong (they still believe that women (*****es) should be chattel) and a few
slaps to keep them in line is just fine. The world is changing fast and soon their days will end but, not soon
enough to suit me.

 

[Philmonroe]

Well as a practicing attorney how many times did you help get a Domestic abuser back on the street to go to work with no issues? How many of those domestic abusers where even put in the paper once to jeopardize there employment status. I've been in the legal system for 15 years now and not once have I ever seen the uproar over a domestic case come remotely close. By the way one of the TV stations in charlotte who so heavily covered Hardy's incident had one of their own weathermen charged with Assault on female the same charge only to do a one paragraph release. While I no way agree with domestic abuse in any form or fashion I think the domestic issue he had should not effect his employment. The other stuff should but I don't think every team in the NFL cares about that.

Some people think it should affect his employment because its a "privilege" to work in the nfl which in this context of how people use the word is kinda silly. Its a "privilege" to have a job period and it doesn't make it more of one just because you get paid more. I agree with the other stuff you said too.

 

[DeaconBlues]

And the men that raisede me would have goten up and keep on walking. Never put your hands on a woman in anger - nothing good can come of it. Case in point - Greg Hardy.

They wouldn't get up. You'd attend alot of funerals.

 

[Kaiser]

Please remember to do it. There are more than a few Neanderthals on this zone that continue to think he
couldn't possibly do anything wrong (they still believe that women (*****es) should be chattel) and a few
slaps to keep them in line is just fine. The world is changing fast and soon their days will end but, not soon
enough to suit me.

These threads have been going on for 15 months and the vast majority of posters have read enough to know there are huge holes in the story of his accuser.

The only reason these threads are still active is because there is a half dozen "Neanderthals" that refuse to read the facts. And they won't because they have a pathological need to pretend to moral superiority.

 

[KJJ]

Holder testified under oath in the initial hearing that Hardy didn't hit her. Her story (then) was that he put his hands around her throat and threatened her.
Why would her story be different in Court than it was in her Police report?

He didn't need to hit her all he needed to do was threaten her with his hands around her throat for it to be an assault. Holder was obviously scared the media was on it because of Hardy's status as an NFL player. Regardless of her changing story the pictures of her injuries told the story that an assault occurred. Their were handprints around her throat that points to an assault.

If you're going to hold someone off you grab their shoulders, forearms and wrists not their throat. How hard could it possibly be for a man of Hardy's size and strength to wrap his arms around a woman to hold them off? Hard to convince any jury a big, nasty dude who pummels NFL QBs for a living was putting his hands around her neck simply to hold her off. That wasn't going to fly!

 

[KJJ]

Not only are you wrong about the poof of him causing the bruises, there is no proof he paid her off. All that has been said is their was a settlement, not financial settlement. That "settlement" could just as well been her going away in return for him not pressing charges for false prosecution and her false statements in court.

How else was he going to settle it without paying her some money? How many wealthy people have you heard of settle out of court with someone without paying them off? Dude, she wasn't going away without being paid to go away are you really that naive? Part of the appeal she had for him was money.

 

[Miller]

Where?

Did you hear his last interview? Or anything he has said over the last year?

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-s...vbG8DYmYxBHBvcwMxBHZ0aWQDQjE1OTJfMQRzZWMDc2M-

“I don’t think I want to get into a situation like that. It’s in the past. I want to say that I’m an innocent man, I’ve been proven not guilty, and it’s a situation that’s in my past. And I feel like, as a grown man, as a football player of my caliber there are situations, inside that situation, where it has nothing to do with the situation, but I could have done better. I should have done better,” he said.

Not only does that statement not make much sense, he's wrong. Hardy was not proven "not guilty." He was, in fact, found guilty by a judge in a bench trial. Under North Carolina law, he could appeal and receive a jury trial, but before it came to that, charges were dropped after he reached a settlement with his accuser and she declined to re-testify.

When Schefter notes that in the first trial Hardy was found guilty, he oddly calls it "a flimsy situation... I feel like it's just a product of miscommunication."

He head-scratchingly claims that domestic abuse is non-existent in Southern/Bible Belt homes

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http://www.boston.com/sports/new-en...ns-his-october-comments-about-gisele-bundchen

“Saying I did nothing wrong is a stretch, but saying I’m innocent is correct, sir,” he said.

“Pictures are pictures, and they can be made to look like whatever they want to,” he said. “I didn’t say I didn’t do anything wrong. That situation occurred and that situation was handled, but as a man you can’t avoid situations that aren’t your fault or are your fault.

(What????)

Just the comments on Gisele shows you how off the guy is:

“In my head, at the time, I’m an entertainer,” Hardy said, as transcribed by Business Insider. “I don’t do interviews, and they want me to do interviews, so I do the interviews and I try to be entertaining, and I just don’t remember my situation while I’m being an entertainer.”

 

[KJJ]

And I'll be glad to eat the crow.

You've eaten crow so many times you probably have acquired a taste for it. lol

 

[Sydla]

When we stop getting all the first hand accounts from Dallas and Carolina teammates that say the opposite.

Therein lies the problem. I suspect there will always be teammates that can get along with just about everyone. So I have little doubt that even if Hardy was a real pain in the ***, there would be players who could deal with him and just put his antics aside. However, there are others who can't and there are coaches who can't put stuff like that aside.

And I think that's where we are right now with Hardy. While some guys don't seem to have an issue with him, he's pissed off enough of the other people to make him likely an unlikely option for the Cowboys.

I've been on record saying that the longer he sits out there, I wouldn't be opposed to bringing him back on another really cheap deal. But I also am not completely blind here and can't fault the Cowboys if they decide he's just not worth it. For me, it's not even about his DV situation anymore. We already took the hit for that from a PR perspective. There's no reason to not bring him back if everything else is A-OK. I suspect everything else isn't OK or the Cowboys would have him back already.

 

[KJJ]

Please remember to do it.

I won't forget the first chance I have come training camp he'll be slammed with it if he doesn't mysteriously vanish.

 

[JoeKing]

He didn't need to hit her all he needed to do was threaten her with his hands around her throat for it to be an assault. Holder was obviously scared the media was on it because of Hardy's status as an NFL player. Regardless of her changing story the pictures of her injuries told the story that an assault occurred. Their were handprints around her throat that points to an assault.

If you're going to hold someone off you grab their shoulders, forearms and wrists not their throat. How hard could it possibly be for a man of Hardy's size and strength to wrap his arms around a woman to hold them off? Hard to convince any jury a big, nasty dude who pummels NFL QBs for a living was putting his hands around her neck simply to hold her off. That wasn't going to fly!

The picture you paint of what happen is a fabrication of your imagination. The source of the bruises was never proven and more likely caused by the man holder her back when Hardy called 911.

 

[JoeKing]

You've eaten crow so many times you probably have acquired a taste for it. lol

LOL, really? Can you point to where that was true? Or are you talking out of your arse.... again.

 

[KJJ]

The picture you paint of what happen is a fabrication of your imagination. The source of the bruises was never proven and more likely caused by the man holder her back when Hardy called 911.

We saw the pictures and they tell a story of an assault. You keep saying they were more likely caused by the other man holding her back. Good luck getting a jury to buy that. lol

 

[KJJ]

LOL, really? Can you point to where that was true? Or are you talking out of your arse.... again.

You predicted a win over Philly in the second game last season and tried denying it until I searched your posts and slammed you with it.

 

[JoeKing]

We saw the pictures and they tell a story of an assault. You keep saying they were more likely caused by the other man holding her back. Good luck getting a jury to buy that. lol

No need, the DA decided they didn't amount to the charges filed. The story you are told when looking at those pictures is your imagination.