DMN: Sporting News writer: Greg Hardy has rendered himself 'almost untouchable'

[GimmeTheBall!]

Cowboys owner Jerry Jones says the door is not closed on a return to the team by controversial free-agent defensive end Greg Hardy.
And ESPN NFL analyst John Clayton lists Hardy as his top remaining free agent.

However, Sporting News writer Vinnie Iyer is of the opinion that the door should be closed and Hardy isn't worth the risk for any NFL team.

Iyer writes: "Hardy mostly was a non-impact player in Dallas. And a headache. He reportedly wasn't well conditioned or a good teammate, and that combination wore on the coaching staff.

"Hardy had the best situation to resurrect his career and deliver again on an elite level. He instead dragged a struggling team marred by offensive injuries further down on defense.

"An offseason removed from his troubles, Hardy has rendered himself almost untouchable. Hardy has bigger baggage now, and a signing would require a team to come up with another creative contract and be willing to taking a huge risk with both player chemistry and community standing. Hardy was a distraction in Dallas and won't shake that label as long he's an active football player looking for work.

"The Cowboys made a desperate move last year with Hardy. It's tough to see another team repeating that mistake."

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First step toward his redemption is to say: "I abused that woman, brutally. I am contrite and hope to one day make it up to her and to my fans and to my family. In the meantime, I will go into rehab and, it is hoped, leave there a changed man for the better."

But he will be in denial forever. Scary that in his mind he might really believe he's being picked on.

 

[Miller]

So what was this? Only an hour ago:

It was in response you you calling everyone who doesn't agree with your stance a Neanderthal and stupid because they aren't one of 3-4 people on the board. If I were you I'd quit. You've been barking up the wrong tree with me from the word go and it makes zero sense. You are on about page 20 of just trying to be right.

 

[Miller]

"No amount" mentioned doesn't mean there was one. It means just the opposite, IMO and my opinion is always as just good as yours.

One certainly can't fault Holder for agreeing to a settlement which requires her to silently walk away with no charges against her after making false statements about domestic abuse from a man that she was attempting to blackmail into continuing to pay her rent. The DA did her a huge favor.

But it does mean what I said...a settlement and no amount was reported to them. All the other reports saying the DA said it was a financial settlement. It is how the system and civil lawsuits work. Do you really think that a settlement could be made with what you just said when there is ZERO proof he didn't hit her and ZERO proof of anything else you are stating. What happens is he pays her and she can't ever say a word so she disappears and shops...just like happened here. You are spinning in circles

 

[JoeKing]

It took financial favors to keep her from testifying. If he was confident he did nothing wrong and that it could proven he wouldn't have paid her a dime and taken his chances in front of a jury. Going to trial and being found not guilty would have vindicated him.

No, it took a promise of no jail time to get her to go away. He paid her rent and then cut her off. The case not getting to a Jury was not his fault. He requested his day in court in front of a jury. The DA knew the jury would not concur with the charges so he dropped them.

 

[Kaiser]

This is just pop-psych on my part, but I think the pictures of the bruising coming out and the stirring up of the story all over again by the Philly writer at the end of the year last year threw Hardy into a tailspin. .

I got that feeling also. I get insomnia at times over things way smaller than being called a monster in National press.

 

[JoeKing]

It was in response you you calling everyone who doesn't agree with your stance a Neanderthal and stupid because they aren't one of 3-4 people on the board. If I were you I'd quit. You've been barking up the wrong tree with me from the word go and it makes zero sense. You are on about page 20 of just trying to be right.

And you aren't?

 

[JoeKing]

But it does mean what I said...a settlement and no amount was reported to them. All the other reports saying the DA said it was a financial settlement. It is how the system and civil lawsuits work. Do you really think that a settlement could be made with what you just said when there is ZERO proof he didn't hit her and ZERO proof of anything else you are stating. What happens is he pays her and she can't ever say a word so she disappears and shops...just like happened here. You are spinning in circles

Keep telling yourself how it conveniently works. Then at least you'll be talking to someone that believes it.

 

[Miller]

Leave yourself out of it then and I wouldn't have tagged you. Don't co sign somebody's beyond silly post and expect not to be involved. Show me where I said Hardy is a good guy. This is exactly what I'm talking about with the all emo posters they make up stuff that wasn't said or implied at all. You should also take your own advice mr grown up because you do know that "grown ups" don't have to make up stuff esp when we are on a messageboard where everybody can see what the other has posted right?

What does any of this have to do with what I said? You really have no point just want everybody to agree with you and they don't so your hyped up. Its ok you can call me names to make it all feel better.

Sorry can I have a Philmonroe translator for this please? Nothing was made up. The small minority is seeing a black and white scenario where black is Hardy isn't guilty, he was hurt by the league and was ramrodded all around. Nothing in any piece out there shows this. Nothing! Not even close.

 

[JoeKing]

Every defense attorney recommends to clients that they make a De Minimus settlement offer for the civil side of a criminal charge even if its a slam dunk to beat the criminal charge. Offering the accuser 25K to go away will save you at least a half million dollars in legal fees for going to trial in a civil case.

No doubt but I'm not giving any credit to that possibility without a statement from the DA that the settlement was financial, which he has never done.

 

[Miller]

Keep telling yourself how it conveniently works. Then at least you'll be talking to someone that believes it.

Dude, I've been in the system!!!! You are the ONLY one claiming there was no money exchanged. EVERYONE believes it but you. Every article states it. You don't have to call it a "pay off" but a settlement to make things and people go away where she doesn't talk and that makes a civil suit disappear involves money. Plain and simple. It's the legal system and how settlements work on the civil side. A civil suit is one where no criminal consequences are involved and one person sues the other person for a wrongdoing, with monetary value attached to it. Please stop!!The DA told reporters it was a financial settlement and it was printed in the article. The DA has never denied those articles.

 

[Kaiser]

Dude, I've been in the system!!!!

Sure, but we all lost confidence in you when Joe Pesci beat your charges against the guy that was in "Karate Kid".

 

[Miller]

Sure, but we all lost confidence in you when Joe Pesci beat your charges against the guy that was in "Karate Kid".

Thanks for improving the mood! I laughed out loud. And Pesci probably would have beat me. I hated working in that environment and thus went back to civil work!

 

[Stash]

That's Schefter saying he found Hardy very believable, but isn't sure if he believes him or not and he's too chicken (and with good reason) to say so more directly.

It's pretty consistent with what Charles Haley had to say about Hardy last season on Talking Cowboys (I believe this was just prior to the 2nd PHI game). Reading between the lines, Charles suggested Hardy was struggling with the false perception that he'd hit the girl and that he was being advised to keep his mouth shut about it under the circumstances. (And, yes, this is just my interpretation of Haley's comments).

I've thought all along that there was a lot going on with Hardy's side of this story that's not getting fairly played, and I still think so. You'll remember, stash, that I was on the Hardy-to-Dallas train back when most posters thought it was a pipedream. That's back before the debates about what really happened in the DV accusation incident. I didn't have a problem with him coming in on a try-it deal, and I'm glad we did it. I think it was a smart risk.

At this point, whatever happened, and we obviously don't have any idea what happened, I'm not in favor of bringing him back. Whatever he did to ruin his welcome in Dallas, it's pretty obvious that he definitely wore it out somehow in less than a full season. Jerry intimating anything to the contrary is just doing a favor for Hardy's agent in terms of public PR. We've moved on, and if we've moved on this obviously, there has to be a reason for it.

Which also means, I hope, that me saying there's something to Hardy's position about the incident with Holder is not a 'homer' talking. I thought the same thing when he was a Panther, I thought it when he was here, and I think it now that he's in the rear view window.

I think that most, if not everybody is aware of my own stance on the Hardy situation from the past by now, so I won't go into that part again.

And my position on his current situation is this. I know he's a screwball, I know he has issues and he's hard to handle, and I know he was late for two confirmed meetings. And that's all I know about that subject. Mike Fisher was the only journalist who bothered to do his job and actually find out what Hardy's issues were while with the Cowboys. Every other one of them either based their articles and reports on rumors, or they parroted something that someone else said or heard.

I think that virtually all of the reporting done on Greg Hardy has been sensationalist ****, thrown out there for ratings and clicks. That has nothing to do with whether or not the guy did or didn't do something, and everything to do with reporters and media failing to do their homework and failing to provide the truth to their audience. It's been garbage reporting and virtually every turn. And for that, they should all be ashamed of themselves rather than Greg Hardy.

I also believe that both sides need this relationship to be repaired and to give it antihero chance to work. I think they have needs that only the other side can fill and it makes too much sense to me not to. If what this team was preaching about redemption and second chances when they signed him last year is remotely true, they would do it again. Otherwise, it looks to me like exactly what everyone believed, a desperate team and a desperate player pairing up because the player needed money and the team needed pass rush, and nothing else. And all talk of helping him was a load of ********.

 

[Idgit]

Dude, I've been in the system!!!! You are the ONLY one claiming there was no money exchanged. EVERYONE believes it but you. Every article states it. You don't have to call it a "pay off" but a settlement to make things and people go away where she doesn't talk and that makes a civil suit disappear involves money. Plain and simple. It's the legal system and how settlements work on the civil side. A civil suit is one where no criminal consequences are involved and one person sues the other person for a wrongdoing, with monetary value attached to it. Please stop!!The DA told reporters it was a financial settlement and it was printed in the article. The DA has never denied those articles.

My recollection was the DA saying they 'had good reason to believe there was a settlement,' but that he stopped short of saying there was one. I also believe evidence of a settlement would have been additional wrongdoing on Hardy's part and opened him up to more minor legal trouble that nobody wanted to go through.

I also believe money very likely changed hands. But not that it's evidence of guilt. The financial ramifications of having the story continue were huge for Hardy. Guilty or innocent, the smart advice was to give her consideration in order to not talk publicly at any point about the situation. It probably cost him tens of thousands, but could have saved him millions on a long-term deal if he'd managed to keep his **** together for just one season.

 

[JoeKing]

Dude, I've been in the system!!!! You are the ONLY one claiming there was no money exchanged. EVERYONE believes it but you. Every article states it. You don't have to call it a "pay off" but a settlement to make things and people go away where she doesn't talk and that makes a civil suit disappear involves money. Plain and simple. It's the legal system and how settlements work on the civil side. A civil suit is one where no criminal consequences are involved and one person sues the other person for a wrongdoing, with monetary value attached to it. Please stop!!The DA told reporters it was a financial settlement and it was printed in the article. The DA has never denied those articles.

Actually the direct quote from the DA was, "there was a settlement". The financial part is always added by the reporting sources. Sorry, but your playing of the "I'm in the system" card is not working well when you can't get past this simple fact. Stubborn things, these facts that you can't get around.

 

[KJJ]

No, it took a promise of no jail time to get her to go away. He paid her rent and then cut her off. The case not getting to a Jury was not his fault. He requested his day in court in front of a jury. The DA knew the jury would not concur with the charges so he dropped them.

That's BS he was the one who was charged and facing a trial with his freedom and football career on the line. Get real! There was only one thing that was going to get her to go away and that was a financial settlement. Now you go away I don't have all day to spend on this.

 

[Idgit]

I think that most, if not everybody is aware of my own stance on the Hardy situation from the past by now, so I won't go into that part again.

And my position on his current situation is this. I know he's a screwball, I know he has issues and he's hard to handle, and I know he was late for two confirmed meetings. And that's all I know about that subject. Mike Fisher was the only journalist who bothered to do his job and actually find out what Hardy's issues were while with the Cowboys. Every other one of them either based their articles and reports on rumors, or they parroted something that someone else said or heard.

I think that virtually all of the reporting done on Greg Hardy has been sensationalist ****, thrown out there for ratings and clicks. That has nothing to do with whether or not the guy did or didn't do something, and everything to do with reporters and media failing to do their homework and failing to provide the truth to their audience. It's been garbage reporting and virtually every turn. And for that, they should all be ashamed of themselves rather than Greg Hardy.

I also believe that both sides need this relationship to be repaired and to give it antihero chance to work. I think they have needs that only the other side can fill and it makes too much sense to me not to. If what this team was preaching about redemption and second chances when they signed him last year is remotely true, they would do it again. Otherwise, it looks to me like exactly what everyone believed, a desperate team and a desperate player pairing up because the player needed money and the team needed pass rush, and nothing else. And all talk of helping him was a load of bull****.

I agree with that, except for the coming back part. We might need him (we definitely need a player of his ability, and he's the only option out there), but we're obviously moving in another direction. Signing Mayowa and Crawford and flirting with Jones, and then the way Jason and Stephen answer Hardy-related questions, the diligence we're doing on players like Bosa and Spence. I think he's a goner. Even if we go QB at #4, I think we're taking DL in the draft someplace and moving on, regardless. The media definitely did a horrible job with this story, but there's a reason there why the club isn't considering him an option.

We'd be hearing something about the sides talking right now, otherwise. As you say, it makes too much sense unless there's a dealbreaker there somewhere.

 

[JoeKing]

That's BS he was the one who was charged and facing a trial with his freedom and football career on the line. Get real! There was only one thing that was going to get her to go away and that was a financial settlement. Now you go away I don't have all day to spend on this.

You think making false statements in a court of law isn't a crime? The settlement cleared her of this crime to go away.

 

[KJJ]

You think making false statements in a court of law isn't a crime? The settlement cleared her of this crime to go away.

Hardy accused her of making false statements. Here's more evidence she was paid off.

http://nypost.com/2015/02/09/greg-hardy-case-dismissed-after-paid-off-accuser-disappears/

 

[JoeKing]

Hardy accused her of making false statements. Here's more evidence she was paid off.

http://nypost.com/2015/02/09/greg-hardy-case-dismissed-after-paid-off-accuser-disappears/

This is proof his accusations of her false statements scared her into agreeing to go away in exchange for her not being prosecuted for her lies. Thanks for helping my position.