DMN: Sporting News writer: Greg Hardy has rendered himself 'almost untouchable'

[Idgit]

If there was anything egregious, last year was the time to take care of it. He could have been suspended or fined and DAL stood to gain a lot financially if he was cut or benched. Hiding behind rumors now seems like a cop out and bowing to peer pressure of the media and talking heads.

It doesn't to me. It seems like the player got a chance at redemption and blew it.

 

[JoeKing]

Of course it's Hardy's fault. We'd already taken the hit for bringing him in. He plays apposition of screaming need. We'd have him back if the situation were at all workable. It clearly wasn't. The fact that the real issues haven't been made public yet doesn't really matter.

I suspect the situation will suddenly become "workable" some time after the draft, if another team doesn't snatch him up first.

 

[KJJ]

Correction we were 2-10 with Hardy not 2-12.

 

[Kaiser]

I suspect the situation will suddenly become "workable" some time after the draft, if another team doesn't snatch him up first.

I think it will all become workable when Hardy tells the team he will take a much smaller contract along the lines of what Ro McClain has this year. People keep posting about Hardy as if he made 1 Million last year rather than 8 Million with a shot at 13 Million.

But if we end up taking Spence in the 1st or Dodd in the 2nd, I could see the team moving on no matter what.

 

[JoeKing]

Correction we were 2-10 with Hardy not 2-12.

By that standard, we should cut most of the team.

 

[KJJ]

I think it will all become workable when Hardy tells the team he will take a much smaller contract along the lines of what Ro McClain has this year.

It's not going to become workable with the Cowboys because it's not about money. His price tag isn't what's keeping teams away.

 

[JoeKing]

I think it will all become workable when Hardy tells the team he will take a much smaller contract along the lines of what Ro McClain has this year. People keep posting about Hardy as if he made 1 Million last year rather than 8 Million with a shot at 13 Million.

But if we end up taking Spence in the 1st or Dodd in the 2nd, I could see the team moving on no matter what.

Completely agree, draft results effect how they move forward with many situations. Meanwhile, Hardy's value is depreciating every week.

 

[KJJ]

By that standard, we should cut most of the team.

The rest of the team doesn't carry the baggage he does or gave us the headaches he did.

 

[Kaiser]

It's not going to become workable with the Cowboys because it's not about money. His price tag isn't what's keeping teams away.

So if Hardy announced he would play for the Veteran minimum of $885,000, no one would sign him?

Highly doubtful.

 

[JoeKing]

The rest of the team doesn't carry the baggage he does or gave us the headaches he did.

If that's the case then it's not about the W/L record, as you stated. Keep grasping at straws.

 

[KJJ]

So if Hardy announced he would play for the Veteran minimum of $885,000, no one would sign him?

Highly doubtful.

He could be willing to play for peanuts but if a team feels like he could destroy their locker room and bring other problems that could affect their season they're not going to sign him. He's a talented pass rusher and not many positions other than QB are more coveted than pass rushers and he's still not signed because of the baggage he will bring.

 

[KJJ]

If that's the case then it's not about the W/L record, as you stated. Keep grasping at straws.

We're not going all day on this!

 

[Kaiser]

He could be willing to play for peanuts but if a team feels like he could destroy their locker room

The 3rd grade classroom that my 8 year old is in wouldn't be "destroyed" by a half dozen tweets and some ESPN nonsense, the Dallas Cowboys NFL team seemed to survive last season and would do so again. If the team thought he would "destroy the locker room" Marinelli wouldn't be advocating for his return.

 

[KJJ]

The 3rd grade classroom that my 8 year old is in wouldn't be "destroyed" by a half dozen tweets and some ESPN nonsense, the Dallas Cowboys NFL team seemed to survive last season and would do so again. If the team thought he would "destroy the locker room" Marinelli wouldn't be advocating for his return.

It wasn't tweets and some ESPN nonsense that caused the tension in the Cowboys locker room last season and all the other issues. If you call going 4-12 surviving good luck! As for Marinelli he should be looking for a team along with Hardy the defense isn't any better than it was when he arrived.

 

[Bullet22]

Can't keep his mouth shut about his past trouble..

 

[JoeKing]

We're not going all day on this!

There are a plethora of reasons being espoused why Hardy is currently unemployed by the NFL and not all of them are anchored in cement. Some folks are simply just not ready to accept him back while others are. Rumors are flying around without confirmation and being believe as facts. I'm not one that gets caught up in the speculation because these things tend to work themselves out weather I pay attention to it or not and I'm not foolish enough to think my opinion matters all that much anyway. What we talk about here is never personal on my behalf but I do find the differing opinions interesting. We can agree or agree to disagree.

 

[jobberone]

Of course it's Hardy's fault. We'd already taken the hit for bringing him in. He plays apposition of screaming need. We'd have him back if the situation were at all workable. It clearly wasn't. The fact that the real issues haven't been made public yet doesn't really matter.

More forcibly put but it is what it is whether people choose to see it or not.

 

[HappyOnions]

Domestic violence is a pretty serious matter, and currently the biggest scarlet letter that a player can have - it's just the reality of the situation.

If Greg Hardy conducted himself in the exact same manner that he did, but ended up with 15 sacks, then this would be a completely different conversation. However, his boneheaded conduct coupled with his mediocre production has pretty much left him untouchable.

There are teams out there that could benefit from Greg Hardy...a good (not great) pass rusher in the same way that a team could benefit from signing Ray Rice...but there aren't any teams that are willing to take that kind of PR hit and who could blame them?

Based on the media reports and the knowledge that we have at our disposal, if you were a coach or an owner would you sign this guy? Highly doubtful.

 

[jobberone]

If there was anything egregious, last year was the time to take care of it. He could have been suspended or fined and DAL stood to gain a lot financially if he was cut or benched. Hiding behind rumors now seems like a cop out and bowing to peer pressure of the media and talking heads.

There are many times one decides not to terminate an employee but rather just not renew their contract. That is the case here it appears. You can add all the insults and agenda towards the FO you wish but you and I know the same things about this situation....not much.

The behavior of the team and the rest of the NFL seems to point the arrow of responsibility towards Hardy and not the club. It is not his past behavior that seems to be the issue but something that arose this last year and the rumors swirl around Hardy mistreating his coach. No decent coach is going to tolerate that.

 

[JoeKing]

Domestic violence is a pretty serious matter, and currently the biggest scarlet letter that a player can have - it's just the reality of the situation..

"The reality of the situation"... A misdemeanor charge of abuse of a female that was dismissed and expunged from his record isn't even close to the biggest scarlet letter that a player can have against him. His current situation is not about the DV charge.

If Greg Hardy conducted himself in the exact same manner that he did, but ended up with 15 sacks, then this would be a completely different conversation. However, his boneheaded conduct coupled with his mediocre production has pretty much left him untouchable..

Since the very first interview as a Cowboy, the media has treated Hardy with nothing but righteous indignation. Painting him as a bad team mate, while his actual team mates reported just the opposite. The media's blowing his words out of proportion like when he said he was "coming out with guns blazing" were intended to never give Hardy a fair chance. The blacklisting of Greg Hardy was complete. The idea that his performance on the field could have silenced the media's condemnation campaign is just not reality.

There are teams out there that could benefit from Greg Hardy...a good (not great) pass rusher in the same way that a team could benefit from signing Ray Rice...but there aren't any teams that are willing to take that kind of PR hit and who could blame them?.

Prior to their respective legal issues, Hardy was far superior at his position than Rice at his. There should be no comparison. The Cowboys already have taken the PR hit for taking Hardy so in that regard, it would be much easier for the Cowboys to do it once again and they still might at some point before OTAs.

Based on the media reports and the knowledge that we have at our disposal, if you were a coach or an owner would you sign this guy? Highly doubtful.

The media reports and what we "know" is not gospel. There is always a part of the story that we don't hear about. We don't have access to all the information that the coaches/owners/authorities have. Asking if we would resign him with incomplete information isn't even a fair question.