DMN: Sporting News writer: Greg Hardy has rendered himself 'almost untouchable'

[TX Cowboy]

Actually the proof is there if people want to read it. Hardy's accuser gave a sworn police report saying one thing and gave sworn testimony in the initial hearing that completely contradicted her police report. That is why the DA dropped the case without trying to get a plea bargain, if this case was anything but an NFL player accused of DV everyone would be laughing at how big a joke the charges were.

The truth sets us free now doesn't?
yet the NFL sought suspension on
what we now know is a lie. He in
fact never touched her. So how
is it we still want to believe the lie
knowing he never did it

 

[Kaiser]

The truth sets us free now doesn't?
yet the NFL sought suspension on
what we now know is a lie.

If you read the transcript of Hardy's NFL hearing (BKnight posted it in the off topic zone) its really obvious the NFL was going to railroad Hardy no matter what so they could look hard on DV.

Most of the posters here get the situation, its human nature to believe the worst and I did initially when all this came up last January. These threads have been going on since then and most people get it, there are only a few people that haven't done the reading but still keep pounding the table about Hardy being guilty.

 

[tyke1doe]

The DV issue complicates things but it is not the problem. How could it be? There is nothing new re: DV and it is one year + remote now. The Cowboys took that hit. The issue is what happened between Hardy and Coach. We don't have any idea where money is in the equation but you can bet its in there somewhere.

There are a lot of things you can forgive - including DV. But when you disrespect your coach - the leading authority - you're gone.

The only ways Hardy will be back is if 1.) He does a public mea culpa in front of the team to Coach Garrett or 2.) Jerry Jones forces him upon Garrett. And by doing that, it will seriously undermine Garrett's authority with his team and with the players.

Hardy's reported disrespect toward Garret, his missing meetings and his "confrontations" with players and coaches are the reasons he hasn't been signed yet. Add his recent interview with Adam Schefter where he incredulously says he didn't put his hands on his ex, and that's the reason he hasn't been signed yet.

As I've said before, there were reports that Hardy isn't exactly the most stable of persons.

 

[KJJ]

I could easily ask you the very same question. What proof is there that the
"media" is telling us us the entire truth
regarding this matter? What we know
is limited and skewed at best. Only thing
that appears to be clear. is an assualt did take place police responded an
arrest was made but does not mean
he did it! Let us not forget that these
"relazionships" are based on deception

Many in the media have insiders and we're hearing the same things from all of them including Adam Scheffer and Ian Rapoport how can they all be wrong? Their jobs and reputation depend on providing accurate information. When everyone who's job is to find out information is saying basically the same things that makes what's being reported pretty darn credible in my book. If teams didn't feel there wasn't any truth to what's being reported Hardy would be signed by now. It's obvious all his antics last season with the Cowboys that were being reported are true or they would have him signed. Not many if any teams need a pass rusher more than the Cowboys and they're steering clear of Hardy because everything that was being reported about him last season was true.

An assault did take place and he was involved. He received every break a person in his situation can get from his accuser refusing to cooperate after being paid off resulting in the charges being dropped to his 12 game suspension being reduced to 4 games plus he was signed by a team. He could have ended up like Ray Rice finished but he was given an opportunity because we didn't have a video of what he did to his girlfriend. He didn't take advantage of his opportunity all he did was add to his issues by starting trouble now no teams want anything to do with him.

He's cost himself MILLIONS and may have cost himself his NFL career if no one signs him this season. He'll be 29 heading into the 2017 season and if he doesn't play snap in 2016 teams will not only be put off by the baggage he brings but the lack of preparation and games he's had since 2014. By 2017 he'll be 4 years removed from his 15 sack season so the interest in him is going to be even less if he's not given an opportunity to play and produce in 2016.

 

[Kaiser]

Many in the media have insiders and we're hearing the same things from all of them including Adam Scheffer and Ian Rapoport how can they all be wrong?

Maybe they were too busy watching the "Dez Videotape"?

 

[KJJ]

Maybe they were too busy watching the "Dez Videotape"?

Wouldn't be comparing that with Hardy's situation. Something clearly went down with Hardy even he admitted he did some things wrong but won't say what it was. Why won't he man up and come clean?

 

[4lifecowboy]

Wouldn't be comparing that with Hardy's situation. Something clearly went down with Hardy even he admitted he did some things wrong but won't say what it was. Why won't he man up and come clean?

Doing "something " wrong doesn't equate to committing a crime. He has been proclaiming his innocence thru the whole ordeal.

 

[KJJ]

Doing "something " wrong doesn't equate to committing a crime. He has been proclaiming his innocence thru the whole ordeal.

If what he did was wrong but wasn't a crime why won't he come clean and say what he did? Him not wanting to discuss it makes him look guilty. Whatever he did that was wrong must have been pretty bad if he doesn't want to talk about it. The interview he did didn't help his cause any he made himself out to be the victim and no one is buying it. Doing something wrong in a domestic altercation can equate to a crime. Any kind of physical contact can lead to an assault charge.

 

[skinsscalper]

Still lmao at those that think that the DV case ANYTHING to do with Hardy not being a Dallas Cowboy.

 

[erod]

The truth sets us free now doesn't?
yet the NFL sought suspension on
what we now know is a lie. He in
fact never touched her. So how
is it we still want to believe the lie
knowing he never did it

Well, he's not in jail, so are you happy?

Meanwhile, 32 teams rank him right next to Adolph Hitler and Charles Manson.

 

[ceerrece]

Hardy is not a Cowboy not because of his alleged troubles with justice; he is not on the team because of chemistry issues in the locker. If the coaches staff could have controlled him, he still be wearing a star on his helmet.

 

[khiladi]

Maybe they were too busy watching the "Dez Videotape"?

Adam actually defended Greg Hardy. People can spin it anyway they want, but Adam's words speak for themselves:

http://awfulannouncing.com/2016/adam-schefter-greg-hardy-interview-shows-perils-access.html

They are simply saying that Adam had to SAY what he said to be granted this specific access and they suddenly start criticizing Adam.

Hardy admits he made mistakes as a Cowboy, he still maintains his innocence with the girl. And Adam basically said in essence, Hardy simply doesn't do PR well.

 

[tyke1doe]

Still lmao at those that think that the DV case ANYTHING to do with Hardy not being a Dallas Cowboy.

It's not necessarily an either/or. It can be a both.

 

[tyke1doe]

Hardy is not a Cowboy not because of his alleged troubles with justice; he is not on the team because of chemistry issues in the locker. If the coaches staff could have controlled him, he still be wearing a star on his helmet.

I believe this too. However, I believe he's also not getting a break BECAUSE of his background. That adds to his situation, i.e., "We're giving you a chance despite of your background, but you've got to be as silence as a church mouse and as clean as Artic snow." And because he wasn't, then the situation involving the DV contributes to why he gets no more chances, IMO.

 

[tyke1doe]

Adam actually defended Greg Hardy. People can spin it anyway they want, but Adam's words speak for themselves:

http://awfulannouncing.com/2016/adam-schefter-greg-hardy-interview-shows-perils-access.html

They are simply saying that Adam had to SAY what he said to be granted this specific access and they suddenly start criticizing Adam.

Hardy admits he made mistakes as a Cowboy, he still maintains his innocence with the girl. And Adam basically said in essence, Hardy simply doesn't do PR well.

Great find! I read the piece and disagree with a certain aspect of it. While it may have been true in years past, that a reporter shouldn't grant access to an athlete and allow said athlete to escape hard questions, in the Internet age, that approach isn't really that big a deal.

Notice, even with a "softball" interview, the public outrage has driven the aftermath of the interview.

Without asking a follow-up to Hardy's statement that he didn't touch the woman, the public has reamed him (Hardy) on it.

Previously, before the Internet, this wouldn't have been the case because the forums for public response were limited. Nowadays, what Schefter didn't ask, people in forums and on blogs throughout the Internet can.

Besides, the job of a reporter is to get the interview. Often times, once guys feel comfortable, they spill the beans on their own. Remember the John Rocker SI interview?

Schefty did what he was supposed to do - get Hardy to talk. Hardy hung himself.

 

[khiladi]

Great find! I read the piece and disagree with a certain aspect of it. While it may have been true in years past, that a reporter shouldn't grant access to an athlete and allow said athlete to escape hard questions, in the Internet age, that approach isn't really that big a deal.

Notice, even with a "softball" interview, the public outrage has driven the aftermath of the interview.

Without asking a follow-up to Hardy's statement that he didn't touch the woman, the public has reamed him (Hardy) on it.

Previously, before the Internet, this wouldn't have been the case because the forums for public response were limited. Nowadays, what Schefter didn't ask, people in forums and on blogs throughout the Internet can.

Besides, the job of a reporter is to get the interview. Often times, once guys feel comfortable, they spill the beans on their own. Remember the John Rocker SI interview?

Schefty did what he was supposed to do - get Hardy to talk. Hardy hung himself.

Adam doesn't think Hardy hung himself and he was present with him. Which is basically the point I was making.

 

[tyke1doe]

Adam doesn't think Hardy hung himself and he was present with him. Which is basically the point I was making.

I understand your point. I was merely elaborating on the issue in the article that Schefter didn't ask Hardy any hardball questions. But by letting Hardy talk, Schefter accomplished his goal anyway, i.e., getting that one controversial statement that has now driven the conversation from the interview. Schefty may have been Hardy's PR piece, but Hardy destroyed whatever PR he sought by the interview via his proclamation of innocence.

 

[khiladi]

I understand your point. I was merely elaborating on the issue in the article that Schefter didn't ask Hardy any hardball questions. But by letting Hardy talk, Schefter accomplished his goal anyway, i.e., getting that one controversial statement that has now driven the conversation from the interview. Schefty may have been Hardy's PR piece, but Hardy destroyed whatever PR he sought by the interview via his proclamation of innocence.

It depends on how you look at it.

Hardy maintains his innocence, because he is innocent. That actually shows character.

 

[tyke1doe]

It depends on how you look at it.

Hardy maintains his innocence, because he is innocent. That actually shows character.

Here's the problem: He accepted his suspension. He didn't vehemently come out and say he didn't touch the woman. He basically also said he has made mistakes without clarifying what those mistakes are.

His message, mixed with his attitude, hasn't been consistent.

I don't think it's any secret I didn't originally want Hardy on this team. But once he was signed and once he weathered the media storm, I felt if he simply did his job and kept quiet, it all would blow over.

But he didn't. And maybe that's because he is who he is. He doesn't really understand the gravity of the situation. Okay, so maybe he didn't hit the woman. But he put himself in a position to be in the situation where he (at least then) had to fight criminal charges and had to re-establish his relationship as a productive member of society and as a teammate.

All he had to do was follow the script, and he didn't. And when I mean "innocent" I'm not talking legally, but societally and socially. There's a certain behavior society expects you to embrace, an expectation that transcends "legal." I don't think Hardy understands this distinction. Heck, I don't think many posters here understand this distinction for they think because Hardy wasn't convicted by a jury of his peers, all should be well with him and society should treat him as such. But no matter how we don't like it, i.e, that there's a standard that transcends the legal process, this standard exists.

 

[khiladi]

Here's the problem: He accepted his suspension. He didn't vehemently come out and say he didn't touch the woman. He basically also said he has made mistakes without clarifying what those mistakes are.

His message, mixed with his attitude, hasn't been consistent.

I don't think it's any secret I didn't originally want Hardy on this team. But once he was signed and once he weathered the media storm, I felt if he simply did his job and kept quiet, it all would blow over.

But he didn't. And maybe that's because he is who he is. He doesn't really understand the gravity of the situation. Okay, so maybe he didn't hit the woman. But he put himself in a position to be in the situation where he (at least then) had to fight criminal charges and had to re-establish his relationship as a productive member of society and as a teammate.

All he had to do was follow the script, and he didn't. And when I mean "innocent" I'm not talking legally, but societally and socially. There's a certain behavior society expects you to embrace, an expectation that transcends "legal." I don't think Hardy understands this distinction. Heck, I don't think many posters here understand this distinction for they think because Hardy wasn't convicted by a jury of his peers, all should be well with him and society should treat him as such. But no matter how we don't like it, i.e, that there's a standard that transcends the legal process, this standard exists.

I can respect your opinion, but I'd counter that he was fine, until the media sabotaged his amazing start by releasing the picks, though the team and the NFL already had seen them.

He was basically sabotaged. At the same time, he also was playing with injuries and he did get the most amount of snaps.