DMN: Will McClay builds reputation

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Liking other people to be more involved does not mean that I support Jones as GM. It just means that I deal with the world as it is rather than how I want it to be when it comes to the things that I cannot change.

 

[Alexander]

The question was, should we be drafting players that were always dinged up in college: D Johnson, Coale maybe some others that particular draft anyway..

So, what assurance is there that McClay had nothing to do with any of those selections?

 

[Hoofbite]

Nice post, btw. I didn't mean to imply that nobody supports anything our front office has done in recent years. We've been teetering at 500 recently, so it stands to reason that we're not doing everything wrong. But liking or supporting a move or series of moves is not the same thing as supporting the overall direction of the franchise. Jerry Jones himself is a very mixed bag, and that's pointed out here with regularity. I think everybody pretty much gets that, and gets the fact that you can point to specific decisions our front office has made that have resulted in us not being a contending team despite the presence of a true franchise QB.

Entire direction is a whole other issue though. I thought when you said "not including the head coach" in your post above that we were only looking at the front office.

If we're talking the entire direction of the team then you better believe there are people who support it.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Entire direction is a whole other issue though. I thought when you said "not including the head coach" in your post above that we were only looking at the front office.

If we're talking the entire direction of the team then you better believe there are people who support it.

Supporting does not mean that it is one's ideal choice. I support what I see as improvement.

 

[jobberone]

I'm happy to see some movement in what I consider the right direction. I still see some problematic areas but that's going to be the same everywhere in some degree.

 

[MikeT22]

Cowboys have a good draft, Jerry gets the credit. Draft sucks, then McClay is the scapegoat. Nice racket JJ has going.

 

[Doomsday101]

Liking other people to be more involved does not mean that I support Jones as GM. It just means that I deal with the world as it is rather than how I want it to be when it comes to the things that I cannot change.

I agree, there is the way things should be and the way things are. Jerry is owner and GM that is just the way it is how things can improve and Jimmy talked about this before and that is putting good people in place to provide the information to Jerry. Jerry will listen to a strong convincing argument for players. BP also has made these claims and enjoyed working with Jerry.

 

[Doomsday101]

Cowboys have a good draft, Jerry gets the credit. Draft sucks, then McClay is the scapegoat. Nice racket JJ has going.

Since when? any fall out will be on Jerry it always has, in terms of credit he will not get that never has. When players have worked out it was Jimmy, BP or Ireland who people gave credit to but any player who bust that has been on Jerry.

Reality is if this turns out to be a good draft the credit goes to McClay, to Jerry to Jason to the other coaches who have been involved in the process. Draft is never about 1 guy it is a big group effort be it Dallas or anywhere else.

 

[peplaw06]

I will ask you once again to not speak for me. He asked for quotes and we are still waiting. I will give you a quote:

I don't like Jerry Jones involvement and know there is a better way. I just don't think he prevents the team from winning and find it an intellectually lazy copout to use him as the boogeyman excuse for all that ails this team.

Why don't you like his involvement?

 

[MikeT22]

Since when? any fall out will be on Jerry it always has, in terms of credit he will not get that never has. When players have worked out it was Jimmy, BP or Ireland who people gave credit to but any player who bust that has been on Jerry.

Reality is if this turns out to be a good draft the credit goes to McClay, to Jerry to Jason to the other coaches who have been involved in the process. Draft is never about 1 guy it is a big group effort be it Dallas or anywhere else.

Since the last few years. Ciskowski was hyped up several years back, obviously to take heat off of Jerry about him hiring a GM. Then when something went wrong scapegoat Ciskowski. Now this offseason it's been one article after another hyping McClay. But no doubt if we have a solid draft it'll be Jerry's doing, but if not then McClay will get the same treatment Ciskowski received.

And yes, there was a correlation between Jimmy/BP and good drafts. It wasn't just a coincidence we vastly improved while they were here and declined when Jerry was large and in charge.

 

[Doomsday101]

Since the last few years. Ciskowski was hyped up several years back, obviously to take heat off of Jerry about him hiring a GM. Then when something went wrong scapegoat Ciskowski. Now this offseason it's been one article after another hyping McClay. But no doubt if we have a solid draft it'll be Jerry's doing, but if not then McClay will get the same treatment Ciskowski received.

And yes, there was a correlation between Jimmy/BP and good drafts. It wasn't just a coincidence we vastly improved while they were here and declined when Jerry was large and in charge.

Yes and Ciskowski hit on some good players as did Ireland when he was here. Jerry is the one who takes the heat damn turn on the fricken TV to NFL channle for ESPN, Dallas media or this sight to claim Jerry is not the one taking the heat? give me a break Jerry is blamed if it fricken rains to much. In terms of credit or blame Jerry has been blamed for every player who has busted any player who had done well you guys holler well that was someone else pick.

I blame Jerry and the staff for bust and I give credit on those who have developed into quality players I don't fricken pick and choose like you guys do

 

[jterrell]

Cowboys have a good draft, Jerry gets the credit. Draft sucks, then McClay is the scapegoat. Nice racket JJ has going.

Cool story bro, but it works just the opposite way.

Cowboys have bad draft Jerry is responsible and overrules scouts.
Cowboys have a good draft and it is McClay.... which is fine because IT IS mostly McClay.

If the Cowboys miraculously win a SB next year it is still unlikely Jerry's approval rating with Cowboys fans hit 50%.
There's a better chance of the Democrats nominating Sarah Palin then Jerry winning over Cowboys fans in the next 24 months.

 

[MikeT22]

I blame Jerry and the staff for bust and I give credit on those who have developed into quality players I don't fricken pick and choose like you guys do

I don't pick and choose either. Nor do I try to give Jerry credit for others' work or deflect criticism of him regarding his own mistakes. And like it or not, Jimmy did have control over personnel the five years he was here, it was even in his contract, and BP had almost as much control. Just the facts.

 

[Doomsday101]

I don't pick and choose either. Nor do I try to give Jerry credit for others' work or deflect criticism of him regarding his own mistakes. And like it or not, Jimmy did have control over personnel the five years he was here, it was even in his contract, and BP had almost as much control. Just the facts.

and Jimmy did not do it alone, Garrett (Jason dad) was here and guess who else Jimmy hired Larry Lacewell to help scout talent. BP wanted Spears over Ware he did not get his way, we got both but it was Ireland's argument for Ware that swayed Jerry. That is just the facts.

But to say Jerry will not get the heat? have you been living in a hole? Jerry constantly gets heat.

 

[jterrell]

I don't pick and choose either. Nor do I try to give Jerry credit for others' work or deflect criticism of him regarding his own mistakes. And like it or not, Jimmy did have control over personnel the five years he was here, it was even in his contract, and BP had almost as much control. Just the facts.

Jimmy didn't negotiate contracts so he never had total control.
When Dallas was on the phone with potential 1st overall picks(a practice started in Dallas and now outlawed) it was Jerry Jones on the phone.
Jimmy decided who made this roster though and who played; without question. --something only Jimmy and BP have truly done in Dallas under Jones.
Jerry overruled Jimmy when money was the issue. Clearly. Even on draft picks.
We drafted Troy against Jimmy's best wishes.
Jerry saw marketing and Ackles saw Hall of Fame QB.
Shortly after Jimmy made Ackles disappear.

Jimmy traded Walker because Jerry wouldn't pay him "QB money".

Jimmy himself fell off as a drafter because he and his trusted coaches grew more and more distant from the collegiate players coming out.
They no longer had studied those guys to recruit them.
It's why he had a modicum of success in Miami but nothing like Dallas.

 

[khiladi]

Can this article point to any major plays he was directly responsible for? From what I'm reading, it's all talk.

 

[khiladi]

Laurent Robinson was a product of Tony Romo's ability to buy time in the pocket. Outside of that, he hasn't done anything. I don't know why people keep fawning over this guy.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Laurent Robinson was a product of Tony Romo's ability to buy time in the pocket. Outside of that, he hasn't done anything. I don't know why people keep fawning over this guy.

If it was all only Tony Romo then every receiver would be getting open downfield on a scramble. That is obviously not the case.

 

[khiladi]

If it was all only Tony Romo then every receiver would be getting open downfield on a scramble. That is obviously not the case.

And if weren't Robinson would have a career outside that one year, getting open, which he doesn't... And actually, a lot of our receivers do get open, because Romo can buy time with his feet.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

And if weren't Robinson would have a career outside that one year, getting open, which he doesn't... It's much easier to argue a QB is responsible, when players like Crayton and even bums like Ogletree catch more with Romo than they do the rest of their careers.

He is out of the league because of concussions. He was saying that he could not even be around his daughter or outside because it was so physically painful. Complete sensory overload to the point he could not function.

Not much for your confirmation bias to trap on that one.