DMN: Will McClay builds reputation

[khiladi]

He is out of the league because of concussions. He was saying that he could not even be around his daughter or outside because it was so physically painful. Complete sensory overload to the point he could not function.

Not much for your confirmation bias to trap on that one.

LOL.. Do you really want to go there? What does that have to do with my point? Laurent Robinson played 6 years, outside of the Cowboys, only playing twice above 14 games a season. He produced 437 and 344 yards those years, while Romo got him 858 yards. Romo got Robinson a contract to be the number 1 receiver, which nothing in his career outside of Romo showed he could be.

Re-read what I wrote and then ask yourself if your response actually does anything:

Laurent Robinson was a product of Tony Romo's ability to buy time in the pocket. Outside of that, he hasn't done anything. I don't know why people keep fawning over this guy.

 

[khiladi]

Then we got the example of Fiammetta in this article as one of his prized-finds...

 

[khiladi]

I can tell you one thing though..

Neither Jerry, McClay, Garrett, Cickowski, or any of these other guys had any involvement in bringing Romo here, the only reason this franchise is staying afloat despite the incompetence.

I would like to thank Sean Peyton personally for that.

 

[OhSnap]

I can tell you one thing though..

Neither Jerry, McClay, Garrett, Cickowski, or any of these other guys had any involvement in bringing Romo here, the only reason this franchise is staying afloat despite the incompetence.

I would like to thank Sean Peyton personally for that.

Did you know Sean Peyton wouldn't have been here if it weren't for Jerry? So really your thanking Jerry you just don't know it because you too busy workin at the bank approving and denying credit.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

LOL.. Do you really want to go there? What does that have to do with my point? Laurent Robinson played 6 years, outside of the Cowboys, only playing twice above 14 games a season. He produced 437 and 344 yards those years, while Romo got him 858 yards. Romo got Robinson a contract to be the number 1 receiver, which nothing in his career outside of Romo showed he could be.

Re-read what I wrote and then ask yourself if your response actually does anything:

I went there. Believe it or not but your mindless, oversimplified stance on certain things does not exactly intimidate me.

You want to have us believe that Robinson is terrible and only was successful because how how wonderful Romo is.

Couple of errors and logical inconsistencies though.

1) Not all receivers benefit with long receptions off of Romo extending plays.
2) Robinson is out of the league now because of a well documented series of head injuries.
3) Robinson made $6m which is about half of what top WR make in free agency.

Robinson had only one year after leaving Dallas and he was hurt that year. Young players especially young receivers are known for taking time to develop. I know you like to label players and act like that is all that they will ever be but things change constantly.

 

[Dodger12]

Jerry overruled Jimmy when money was the issue. Clearly. Even on draft picks.
We drafted Troy against Jimmy's best wishes.

What the heck are you talking about?

 

[MikeT22]

Jimmy didn't negotiate contracts so he never had total control.
When Dallas was on the phone with potential 1st overall picks(a practice started in Dallas and now outlawed) it was Jerry Jones on the phone.
Jimmy decided who made this roster though and who played; without question. --something only Jimmy and BP have truly done in Dallas under Jones.
Jerry overruled Jimmy when money was the issue. Clearly. Even on draft picks.
We drafted Troy against Jimmy's best wishes.
Jerry saw marketing and Ackles saw Hall of Fame QB.
Shortly after Jimmy made Ackles disappear.

Jimmy traded Walker because Jerry wouldn't pay him "QB money".

Jimmy himself fell off as a drafter because he and his trusted coaches grew more and more distant from the collegiate players coming out.
They no longer had studied those guys to recruit them.
It's why he had a modicum of success in Miami but nothing like Dallas.

I totally agree that's why Jimmy wasn't as successful in Miami, and it's why he was successful in Dallas. He knew most of the top collegiate players in the first few years because he was involved in trying to recruit many of them to the U of Miami. That's my point, Jimmy was the key person in the Cowboys draft room in those years. And we also had Ackles and Wooten and great scouting dept. Bottomline though is that it wasn't Jerry making the call in those days, it was Jerry signing off on Jimmy's decisions, much like it was when BP was here. We didn't win those SB's because Jerry, Stephen and a puppet HC were making the decisions like has been the case most of the last 20 years excluding the few that BP was here.

 

[MikeT22]

and Jimmy did not do it alone, Garrett (Jason dad) was here and guess who else Jimmy hired Larry Lacewell to help scout talent. BP wanted Spears over Ware he did not get his way, we got both but it was Ireland's argument for Ware that swayed Jerry. That is just the facts.

But to say Jerry will not get the heat? have you been living in a hole? Jerry constantly gets heat.

No one ever does it alone. But Jimmy was the key component in those days. It wasn't Jerry. Jimmy was the HC and the primarily personnel decision-maker.

 

[Doomsday101]

Jerry owned and hired Jimmy, anything Jimmy did does not happen if Jones does not hire him and add to that Jerry caught hell for hiring Jimmy a college coach. I give Jimmy a lot of credit for the job done but to act as if Jerry played no part well Jimmy did not hire himself. Jimmy also never handled 1 single contract or negotiated any deals

 

[khiladi]

I went there. Believe it or not but your mindless, oversimplified stance on certain things does not exactly intimidate me.

You want to have us believe that Robinson is terrible and only was successful because how how wonderful Romo is.

Couple of errors and logical inconsistencies though.

1) Not all receivers benefit with long receptions off of Romo extending plays.
2) Robinson is out of the league now because of a well documented series of head injuries.
3) Robinson made $6m which is about half of what top WR make in free agency.

Robinson had only one year after leaving Dallas and he was hurt that year. Young players especially young receivers are known for taking time to develop. I know you like to label players and act like that is all that they will ever be but things change constantly.

Nice try... Six years, never broke a thousand. In fact, never five hundred except with Romo.

So now five years is development time... Lol...

Just grab on to the rope to save yourself from drowning.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Nice try... Six years, never broke a thousand. In fact, never five hundred except with Romo.

So now five years is development time... Lol...

Just grab on to the rope to save yourself from drowning.

arguing with you is reminiscent of arguing with an adolescent.

He had 4 years and then came to Dallas played well. He got hurt the next year in Jacksonville. It is what it is.

 

[khiladi]

Did you know Sean Peyton wouldn't have been here if it weren't for Jerry? So really your thanking Jerry you just don't know it because you too busy workin at the bank approving and denying credit.

Lol... If that's your logic, then you can also thank Jerry for letting a Super Bowl winning coach, whose offensive philosophy is light years ahead of that clown Garrett and Tony Sporano for that matter, go...

 

[khiladi]

arguing with you is reminiscent of arguing with an adolescent.

He had 4 years and then came to Dallas played well. He got hurt the next year in Jacksonville. It is what it is.

So four years is development time? Just stop, seriously...

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

So four years is development time? Just stop, seriously...

The Landry rule of thumb was 3 years but yes the first four years or length of 1st round rookie contracts are time for players to develop. Further WR are noted for taking longer than most positions to develop.

You cannot even make a proper semantic argument. I am not wasting my time with this anymore.

 

[khiladi]

The Landry rule of thumb was 3 years but yes the first four years or length of 1st round rookie contracts are time for players to develop. Further WR are noted for taking longer than most positions to develop.

You cannot even make a proper semantic argument. I am not wasting my time with this anymore.

Lol... So how long are rookie contracts normally for WRs. Apparently two other teams though that he had enough time to develop.

Just grab the rope..

 

[OhSnap]

Lol... If that's your logic, then you can also thank Jerry for letting a Super Bowl winning coach, whose offensive philosophy is light years ahead of that clown Garrett and Tony Sporano for that matter, go...

Light years ahead? They both use the Air Coryell offense. I think if you take a closer look you'll see that they're the same. Compare the 09 seasons, the last time the Cowboys had an above average roster. Also Parcells was under contract for 2 more years when SP left for NO.

 

[Hoofbite]

Can this article point to any major plays he was directly responsible for? From what I'm reading, it's all talk.

Selvie?

He took over pro scouting last year so all the guys who came through last year would presumably be his calls, I would think.

One of the articles cited Hayden but Hayden was signed in February and McClay started splitting duties with Ciskowski just before the team left to go to camp so I don't see how that fits.

I don't know if anyone knows to what extent he was working prior to taking his position last summer. How much involvement he had to bring players in and how much pull he had with the other members of the front office. It's all speculation at best as to how responsible he was prior to getting half of Ciskowski's work load.

 

[jnday]

That's only your definition of GM. You're too hung up on someone's job title and not the job description.

No, it is not just his definition. It is everybody's definition except for a few Cowboy fans. The title fits the job description on teams in the NFL. Things are only different in Dallas.

 

[casmith07]

No, it is not just his definition. It is everybody's definition except for a few Cowboy fans. The title fits the job description on teams in the NFL. Things are only different in Dallas.

Mmk, pumpkin. You like the draft pick? That was all Jerry huh?

 

[khiladi]

Selvie?

He took over pro scouting last year so all the guys who came through last year would presumably be his calls, I would think.

One of the articles cited Hayden but Hayden was signed in February and McClay started splitting duties with Ciskowski just before the team left to go to camp so I don't see how that fits.

I don't know if anyone knows to what extent he was working prior to taking his position last summer. How much involvement he had to bring players in and how much pull he had with the other members of the front office. It's all speculation at best as to how responsible he was prior to getting half of Ciskowski's work load.

Problem is, the article has him having influence back to 2004, and he was hired in 2002. He's been here for a lot of the poor decisions as well.