Do people really believe there is a better option than Dak this year?

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  1. doomsday9084

    doomsday9084 Well-Known Member

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    This is from a Lion's website:

    Stafford's cap hit for Dallas would be in the low 20's for 3 years . . . in his prime.

    If someone asked me what I would prefer:
    Paying Dak $35m per year
    or
    Paying Stafford $22m per year for a 2nd rounder

    I would take the latter.
     
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  2. basel90

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    brady absolutely gives dallas a better chance than Dak . I agree he is old but he is much more accurate and will exploit the defenses much better than Dak . Dak could not even win the worst Division in the NFL !! He is just not good .
    Manning took denver to 2 Super Bowls in a new system , and won one . So it did work out great .
    Bottom line , dallas still needs to fix its defense and that takes cap space , which our selfish inaccurate QB refuses to avail to the team , and which dallas’s foolish front office squandered on zeke and Dlaw , only to see their performance slide .
    Dallas should either get a big discount from mediocre Dak , or get a proven winner or an upgrade on QB who is more accurate like stafford , or just go to thr draft to rebuild this team .
     
  3. basel90

    basel90 Well-Known Member

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    Dak failed at every crucial game . Missed wide open receivers ( did you watch the eagles game ? Or the buffalo game ?)
    The padded numbers were in garbage time . Dak failed to win the worst division in the nfl .
    mark my word, Jerry will fold and pay Dak , then dallas will go 8-8 again and in a couple of years move away from Dak and eat all that dead money .
     
  4. mcmvp

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    This guy thinks he's Dr Phil
     
  5. mcmvp

    mcmvp Well-Known Member

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    LOL! I should've kept reading this thread further
     
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  6. Aviano90

    Aviano90 Go Seahawks!!!

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    Lol, you did the same thing he did. You just make things up as part of your argument. You take a comment and then go off on a rant claiming things posters never said. You’re two peas in a pod.

    I’ve treated both of you the same over the past 2-3 days. If you want to be dishonest posters in your debate, you don’t deserve honest replies back.
     
  7. gjkoeppen

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    I don't disagree with what you said about those thre QB's but that wasn't what the reply was addressing. It was said that Prescott did throw any TD's in the second eagles game and then using that as the big argument for Prescott getting paid and using just that game as his measuring stick. So I asked if any of those three QB's had a game where they didn't throw a TD pass would that be their measuring stick too. People keep throwing out free agent QB's that the Cowboys could get cheaper and except for Brady and Brees who wouldn't sign with Dallas because if they leave their teams it will be a team they are sure will get them to the Super Bowl. The rest of them though there are reasons why they could be gotten cheaper. Thety may have at one time been starters but lost their starting jobs and now teams aren't interested in them. So these people that keep bringing up these QB's are actually say hey we can get other teams castoffs cheap.

    Now I hope the Cowboys get to the Super Bowl but the odds just aren't there for them to get there.
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  8. Gangsta Spanksta

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    When you say the professionals should run the team and not wannabe GM's, you do realize that Jerry Jones is the GM of the Dallas Cowboys, right?
     
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  9. ABQCOWBOY

    ABQCOWBOY Regular Joe....

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    Great, just great........ Now see what you did? !^(()(()))
     
  10. CowboysFaninHouston

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    So we are playing madd
    So we are playing Madden football.

    The cost would be.much higher than spreadsheet math..given its about winning championships than beating a QB cap numbers.

    Will Detroit be willing to trade? If yes howanynothwr teams maybe interested? What will it cost to get Stafford who according to younis in his prime at the age of 33, and he is coming off injury..

    Or are we the only team.who.thinks Stafford is really good while.others think he sucks...and how much draft picks do.we give up to get him, given we craaped out last year, have Gallup to show from two years ago and LVEs health is unknown and we have soany holes to fill....

    But in your opinion probably it's better not to pay a QB a.few extra millions and give up draft picks and then go through FA to fill the holes we have....that would make you feel good that we didn't pay Dak

    And Stafford's playoff record is same as Dak's....and not sure what Stafford has done that you feel he is souch better

    And.in the end we end up with nothing but hey you feel better that we didn't pay Dak.
     
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  11. CowboysFaninHouston

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    in reality, BRady is not going to have much success in dallas his first year. this will be a new system to him. not only that, it will be a new system for everyone in dallas. Brady is not going to be as cheap as people assume. with that said, the earliest we may have a chance with him is in 2 years, and he will be 44. not only that, its a risk given he has only played in one system all his career...will he improve us? maybe, but does he lead to a championship? I am not sure if I agree that a a 44 years old QB can lead you tot hat...

    and btw, it took Manning 4 years to win it.....even more proof that it takes time...

    Dak is not selfish. he is no different than any other QB wanting money....its business side of things....I separate that from the rest of football...and he has a career 65% completion rate...how is that inaccurate?

    if Brady really had much left in the tank...do you think NE would let him walk?
     
  12. basel90

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    but Dak will also be under a new regime , and god knows how he will do . I would trust Brady more . Brady took his teams to the playoffs EVERY year despite losing so many weapons , especially last year . Imagine if we had Brady last year , do you want to tell me he would not do better than Dak ?
    The 65% completion was mostly in garbage time , futile comebacks , and due to the weak division , and with an elite WR and Rb and OL . Something Brady didn’t have . That’s why Garret was fired . Dak should take notice .
     
  13. basel90

    basel90 Well-Known Member

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    exactly right .
    Unfortunately, Jerry boxed himself by overpaying zeke , Dlaw , and will cave in a few days from now and pay Dak 36-38 mil , and the the team will be depleted , and go 8-8 or 9-7 and lose in the playoffs . Dak had so many chances in clutch games , and he failed .
    Better to move on and draft a QB or trade for Brady , stafford or mayfield next year .
     
  14. doomsday9084

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    The part you didn't quote was a Lion's insider saying that at best the Lions could expect a 2nd rounder for Stafford. He is under contract for 3 more years with a pretty low cap hit. Keeping Dak would cost more than 10m+ per year more than Stafford. The Lions would have to eat a good bit of his salary to trade him.

    The equation would be something like
    Dak + 2nd round pick
    or
    Stafford + Quinn + Byron

    As far as Stafford vs Dak, Stafford has never had a team around him like Dak. Its a team sport after all. Look at how Dak's numbers suffered when he didn't have Coop. Even with a much inferior team, Stafford had a much better passer rating than Dak last year and up until last year, Stafford went 8 straight years without missing a game.

    As far as the "this isn't madden" condescending stuff, I'll flip it. Dak supporters don't like math. Its just simple math and nothing personal. There is a cap and the more you pay your QB, the less money you have for other people. Historically, highly paid QB's don't win super bowls as has been shown many times.
     
  15. Aviano90

    Aviano90 Go Seahawks!!!

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    Stafford is a stat collecting loser. He needs a a perfect team around him and even then he might just choke. See 2014.

    Keep the Stafford’s and Dalton’s far, far away from the team. You can’t win with them.

    Our QB cost an average of $1 million a year over the past 4 years. I don’t want to go increasing that by 15-20x for a sorry QB like Stafford or Dalton.

    See if you can get lucky in the draft. I am sure we can find a cheap QB we can hate again.
     
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  16. doomsday9084

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    Isn't that what everyone is saying about Dak? Well, few people are calling him a "loser" but Dak had more empty stats last year than I have ever seen from a Cowboys QB. He practically filled his stat sheet when either up big or down big but struggled any time the game was in the balance. Beyond that, even his supporters say that not only does Dak need great players around him, they have to play great. Blame is consistently deflected to O-line and receivers.
     
  17. Aviano90

    Aviano90 Go Seahawks!!!

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    Yeah so come up with something better than an even worse option than Dak.
     
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  18. doomsday9084

    doomsday9084 Well-Known Member

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    Meh, I'm not going to defend Stafford and actually largely agree with you. I just brought him up because there are rumors of his availability and low cap hit. Not really sure that Dak is any better than Stafford and if Dak holds out for a massive deal, I think Stafford would be a fall back option if the rumors about Detroit replacing him with a rookie are true.
     
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  19. CowboysFaninHouston

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    with the changes, I don't expect us to be anything but slightly above average next year. its the 2nd year if all goes according to plan, then we should have a chance...and I don't trust a 45 year old QB......
     
  20. CowboysFaninHouston

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    which insider? these days there are so many insider information...and again Stafford hasnt' done anything to deserve being better than Dak. his playoff record is 1-2 and he has had plenty of weapons through the years, lets not make it as if he has been climbing mountains without a rope and guide and blindfolded.

    and just because we sign Dak, doesn't mean we can't sign quinn, we have 90 mill in cap space and no dead money. and we will be able to sign Dak, Cooper, Quinn and Jones if we wanted to and still have our second round pick.

    I just don't see Stafford being a better option than Dak. .
     

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