CFZ Do we actually have fans who believe Dak is Elite?

[Diehardblues]

The guy the original poster is speaking about is me. I said that Mahomes, Allen, Burrow, and Hurts(but I need to see him more than 1 year, but he is likely MVOP... thats not elite? And I added Dak.


I said just like you.... Brady and Rodgers are no longer "Elite." Herbert? I thought he would be, but sorry, cant put him there... and if he is considered Elite, what does he do that is so much better than Dak.

But, Lets say you dont call Dak "Elite," after Burrow, Mahomes, Allen (who hasnt played so great this year) and Hurts(based upon this one season) who the hell can you claim to be clearly better than Dak? Keep in mind, those that want to call me a Dak homer are talking out of their rear. I used to have "Dak Prescott, Wr Killer," as part of my signature.

What exactly is Elite anyways? To me, it is a top 5 guy. You cant say their are only 3.... well, I guess you can.

Elite should be defined as one of the best in an era . Hall of Fame category or potential.

 

[rambo2]

I’ve been going to bat for him in recent years against the Dak Haks but in another thread been arguing with a fan I actually agree on many issues but he believes Prescott has become Elite and in Top 5 of QB’s in the league.

He even asked me what 5 QB’s are better. Which was an easy response. Prescott is arguably by most sound analysts and critics closer to a Top 10 QB, not Top 5. Which being in the next best group isn’t a bad place to be .

The argument stemmed from a basis narrative of his that Elite QB’s were a necessity to being a consistent contender in Cap era. Which is another argument within itself . There are exceptions to that rule as well. But the argument initiated with criticism of franchises with less playoff success this era. We actually agree to a point on that basis.

And then he said Dak has become Elite. Even saying that he had bashed him earlier in his career. Are there other fans who also believe he has become Elite? I thought besides the extremes on both sides of the Haks and Homers that most felt he was closer to Top 10 to above average . Enough to build around and hopefully have more success.

Like most franchises except for a handful who have an Elite QB, you have to build around average to above average QB’s. No shame in that . Anyway, curious where the vibe is at this time . Not interested in hearing from the extremes. Thanks

They might when his career is over, if he wins a couple of Super Bowls.

 

[Diehardblues]

They might when his career is over, if he wins a couple of Super Bowls.

That’s something we can discuss at that time .

 

[rambo2]

That’s something we can discuss at that time .

Yep, we sure can. I would love to see it.

 

[Diehardblues]

Well said.

At present, there are exactly 2 elite QBs in the NFL, Mahomes and Allen. Brady and Rodgers are no longer elite. Burrow is knocking on the door, as is Herbert.

I’d probably agree with this . Those are the Big 3 at this time . Although Brady and Rodgers are probably not to level they once were , you can’t take the HOF caliber out of them.

Even in one of their worst teams season they could still pull something magical out. That’s what separates greatness. I watched Brady a couple weeks ago pull out a miracle scoring 2 TD’s in last couple minutes to win. They both still have it. Just not as consistently as they did.

Never count out the heart of a champion . I’d still cringe having to play either of them in the playoffs knowing what they are capable of . In that sense they will always be Elite to me even if they aren’t playing at an Elite level now. But I hear what you’re saying .

 

[Coogiguy03]

What's he ever been good enough to win?

THE STAT BOOK WHICH DRIVE THESE HOMERS TO BE IN LOVE AND HATE THE REALISTIC FANS

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

THE STAT BOOK WHICH DRIVE THESE HOMERS TO BE IN LOVE AND HATE THE REALISTIC FANS

so stats don't matter. only wins/ losses?

 

[Diehardblues]

When I see these guys hitting the WR with great passes and WR dropping them, excuse me if I don't put that on the QB. Personally I can't stand Rodgers but he is still pin point accurate.

Yea, that’s the thing. They still have ability to do so.

I agree in basis on what Ksk is saying. But like you still see they have that ability to play at a high level even if they aren’t doing it consistently any longer.

 

[BHendri5]

Hell yeah!!! Dak is elite!!! What a dumb question

 

[Nav22]

They're going to just revoke your account here one day you know that right? Months on the bench just don't do it for ya lol

Go cry to the mods more. You would do that.

Cowardly response, zero substance.

Our offense has been ROLLING with Dak, even without great pass protection. The question marks on this team are on defense.

Dak continues to slap you cult members around. Over and over and over again. He RUINED your Christmas.

It's cute how you people think repeating lies will magically make them true.

 

[CowboyRoy]

I’ve been going to bat for him in recent years against the Dak Haks but in another thread been arguing with a fan I actually agree on many issues but he believes Prescott has become Elite and in Top 5 of QB’s in the league.

He even asked me what 5 QB’s are better. Which was an easy response. Prescott is arguably by most sound analysts and critics closer to a Top 10 QB, not Top 5. Which being in the next best group isn’t a bad place to be .

The argument stemmed from a basis narrative of his that Elite QB’s were a necessity to being a consistent contender in Cap era. Which is another argument within itself . There are exceptions to that rule as well. But the argument initiated with criticism of franchises with less playoff success this era. We actually agree to a point on that basis.

And then he said Dak has become Elite. Even saying that he had bashed him earlier in his career. Are there other fans who also believe he has become Elite? I thought besides the extremes on both sides of the Haks and Homers that most felt he was closer to Top 10 to above average . Enough to build around and hopefully have more success.

Like most franchises except for a handful who have an Elite QB, you have to build around average to above average QB’s. No shame in that . Anyway, curious where the vibe is at this time . Not interested in hearing from the extremes. Thanks

Dak is NOT elite. He can play elite, but he is NOT top 5. Just outside the top 5. I have only heard 1 or 2 homers claim he is elite. Its as ridiculous and saying he is average.

 

[BobSacamano]

This Dak debate reminds me of the song “Stuck in the middle with you”…

“Clowns to the left of me
Jokers to the right
Here I am stuck in the middle with you”

Dak is good but not elite, Dak is a great leader, but not always the most accurate passer, Dak is a winner but hasn’t won the big game yet…etc, etc.

Most objective fans, in my opinion, will acknowledge Dak is a good quarterback and can play at an elite level at times but can also be inconsistent.

The clowns and jokers are the “haters and fanboys” that argue all the time about Dak and the rest of us are in the middle and hope Dak can be good enough but will cheer him on as he is our QB.

I like this take. We can praise Dak to the high heavens or bemoan the fact that he isn’t Allen, Herbert or Mahomes (who we had no shot to draft other than maybe Patrick, and Dak was not far removed from having a record breaking rookie season when Mahomes was a realistic shot). Or like you, can both appreciate what are and what aren’t exactly his shining characteristics.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Hey let’s be honest here. Sometime DAK looks elite and sometimes he don’t. IMO you become an elite QB in the playoffs you show you can hang and PERFORM with the big boys when it counts and you earn the title. Beating up on teams in a week division or conference don’t make you elite. It’s the playoffs that count.

That is a common misconception. TEAM success or failure is a small part of individual talent and abilities. Those that understand football know this. Is Garrappolo elite or even average because his niners have lots of playoff success? Not a chance.

Beating up on teams in a weak division? You mean the division that has the team with the best record in football and currently 4 playoff teams?

That excuse worked for you trolls last year. You are embarrassing yourself by trying to push that lame excuse through this year.

 

[CowboyRoy]

This Dak debate reminds me of the song “Stuck in the middle with you”…

“Clowns to the left of me
Jokers to the right
Here I am stuck in the middle with you”

Dak is good but not elite, Dak is a great leader, but not always the most accurate passer, Dak is a winner but hasn’t won the big game yet…etc, etc.

Most objective fans, in my opinion, will acknowledge Dak is a good quarterback and can play at an elite level at times but can also be inconsistent.

The clowns and jokers are the “haters and fanboys” that argue all the time about Dak and the rest of us are in the middle and hope Dak can be good enough but will cheer him on as he is our QB.

Agreed Dak is not elite. But its teams that win the big one, not QB's. Until you understand this simple point, your QB opinions will always be off.

 

[BobSacamano]

I think you are arguing in circles....is there potential? that's the question. and that's what what all teams do....have players, that give them the opportunity and potential to win it!! or minimally get there.....

so is Allen not any good? he hasn't won anything. Is Herbert any good? he hasn't won anything. is Cousins any good? he hasn't won anything. is Jalen hurts any good? he hasn't won anything. so would you take any of them over Dak (as you have argued in the past), because they give you more potential to win it!!!!

so the question people ask and the observation that was made based on the OP's comment that he has the potential. he has shown he can be good. he has shown to have the ability....he just has to get over the hump. its not about having actually accomplished anything to be considered, because then most of the QBs in the league will be disqualified, some of whom you like more than Dak and give them more potential (all of the listed above included).....

sounds like you are arguing that wins/losses are a QB thing.... are you?

Took Peyton damn near his whole career to finally get past the Patriot hump while he was always labeled top 1-4 (minus his rookie season). Good post.

 

[Whyjerry]

Elite is way too widely thrown around here. No one ever thought Dak was elite. They thought he was really good. Elite is the pinnacle. Right now Mahomes is elite. Maybe Burrow. Maybe Allen. That’s it. Anyone else that thinks different is a dummy.

Dak is a good QB. Top half of the league. He fluctuates a bit but on the whole his is a good QB. Period.

 

[Typhus]

After reading over all the posts in this thread we have an excellent shot with Dak post season.
Where are the so called Elite QBs of this league,,, all in the AFC.

 

[Frosty]

That is a common misconception. TEAM success or failure is a small part of individual talent and abilities. Those that understand football know this. Is Garrappolo elite or even average because his niners have lots of playoff success? Not a chance.

Beating up on teams in a weak division? You mean the division that has the team with the best record in football and currently 4 playoff teams?

That excuse worked for you trolls last year. You are embarrassing yourself by trying to push that lame excuse through this year.

What are you talking about....your so far in left field its beyond belief.......Just wow.....see you got nothing better to in life than troll the Cowboyzone......it's alright.....we all understand..... please dont respond...

 

[CowboyRoy]

What are you talking about....your so far in left field its beyond belief.......Just wow.....see you got nothing better to in life than troll the Cowboyzone......it's alright.....we all understand..... please dont respond...

If you dont like being put in your place, then say something that actually makes sense. Your making it very easy for me.

You dont want me to respond to your posts, learn football.

 

[Frosty]

If you dont like being put in your place, then say something that actually makes sense. Your making it very easy for me.

You dont want me to respond to your posts, learn football.

You earned my first and only IGNORE.... have great day hero