CFZ Do we actually have fans who believe Dak is Elite?

[kskboys]

allen and mahomes for sure. Burrow is knocking at the door and probably the next star....Herbert is an enigma. he has the physical tools, but given the support he has, he is up and down. not consistent enough yet. top 10 for sure.

I was a Burrow detractor coming in. No longer. Dude has all the traits of the next Brady/Montana type, the rare breed who just gets it, who has that undefinable something. IMO, he is top 3 already, but I always try not to anoint too early.

 

[kskboys]

OMG...you are so dense.... so just like my 5 year old, I will explain everything in itty bitty details for you so you can more easily digest and not have to infer anything. God forbid if you had to think!

and yet here you were yesterday calling a lot of people, accusing them of taking Dak over Dallas, were LITERALLY nobody has every said that. so how did you infer that without it literally being there and how was that your job!!!

come on dude. you are not as clever as you think you are.....you just pretend to be smart

Or maybe just move on instead of ruining the discussion w/ the spatting.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Or maybe just move on instead of ruining the discussion w/ the spatting.

yeah, lately he has been very childish like....he is all over the place...I think he is frustrated a bit...but I am sure he will somewhat get his mojo back when we lose a game.

 

[kskboys]

I’ve always defined Elite as Hall Of Fame potential or talent level. Which doesn’t have to include winning a championship.

Very true. And there's also the difference of elite career and elite right now.

 

[Diehardblues]

Only qbs i think are better than him are:

Mahomes
Allen
Burrow (i actually have to respect him, i didn't believe it until this year)


That's it.

Rodgers and Brady are just not as good as they used to be. I know people will say Herbert but I don't see it. Sure, he has immense talent but I haven't seen it consistently and he is just now getting into the playoffs for the first time.

Immense talent is part of Elite definition. If you’ve seen that then it’s enough to place him in that group.

We’ll see if he can be surrounded with enough support and once in playoffs take it to next level. And in AFC he’s up against most of the other top Elite teams and QB. No easy task.

It’s why we have an easier task this year with Brady and Rodgers teams down . Imagine in AFC if Chiefs and Bills were down.

 

[Doomsday101]

Very true. And there's also the difference of elite career and elite right now.

I somewhat agree but the HOF? Joe Namath in in the HOF, does he really belong? There clearly are some greats in the HOF and some who should be in the HOF but I do think there are some who should not be in the HOF

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

OMG...you are so dense.... so just like my 5 year old, I will explain everything in itty bitty details for you so you can more easily digest and not have to infer anything. God forbid if you had to think! as a matter of fact I did explain it for you. he meant potential! there...I spelled it out for you, given your difficulty in comprehending a simple phrase.

and yet here you were yesterday calling a lot of people, accusing them of taking Dak over Dallas, were LITERALLY nobody has every said that. so how did you infer that without it literally being there and how was that your job!!!

come on dude. you are not as clever as you think you are.....you just pretend to be smart

You're always getting worked up over everything.

Again, some posters might not appreciate you projecting your thoughts onto their words. If they mean "potential" then let them say that.

 

[kskboys]

I somewhat agree but the HOF? Joe Namath in in the HOF, does he really belong? There clearly are some greats in the HOF and some who should be in the HOF but I do think there are some who should not be in the HOF

Absolutely. Namath was not elite, IMO. He was just the first AFC QB to win the big one. He was good, not elite.

 

[Ken]

Immense talent is part of Elite definition. If you’ve seen that then it’s enough to place him in that group.

We’ll see if he can be surrounded with enough support and once in playoffs take it to next level. And in AFC he’s up against most of the other top Elite teams and QB. No easy task.

There are a ton of qbs in the league with a ton of talent and more talent than Dak. They just can't play the position at a high level.

I am fine with Herbert in the top 5 because he has produced but i can't put him above Dak until he does it and makes a tangible difference for his team.

 

[CowboyoWales]

This whole "elite" or "top 5" or "top 10" argument became a non-issue for me a long time ago. I can see with my own eyes that Dak is a good enough QB to win with. That's the only "ranking" I really care about. The rest is just talking head fodder. I think it was that first 5 games of 2020 where I saw Dak reach that level that I became convinced he was now good enough to win a championship with. Where does he rank among other QBs? Who cares? He's the only starting QB on my and as such he doesn't need to be "better than so and so" for me.. He just needs to be good enough for my team to win. Which he is...

Good post Ronnie. Whilst I don't get some of the comments that appear to blame anyone than Dak, I wholeheartedly agree with what you say.
Dak is certainly good enough to get the team where we want to be (given a decent defense and O-Line). The issue always seems to be (for me), when Dak (more likely Moore) appears to over emphasise a game plan that just suit the roster .... don't push it, run it and the gaps will appear.
Oh and when Dak runs it gives our offense a whole different dimension.
Well said Ronnie.

 

[CouchCoach]

What qualifies as elite?

Mahomes does things I have never seen a QB do but he stands alone with that label.

Allen, Burrow, Herbert and an emerging Lawrence are my next four but they also have their struggles.

I see elite passers but not so many elite QB’s. That takes a special talent to show up when they are needed the most. Marino was an elite passer but not QB. I do not think Staubach was considered an elite passer but he was an elite QB.

And while I think Mahomes is the only elite QB, would he be without Reid and Kelce?

This idea that a QB can lift and carry a team is ridiculous. They all need first rate coaching and talent around them.

 

[Ken]

I was a Burrow detractor coming in. No longer. Dude has all the traits of the next Brady/Montana type, the rare breed who just gets it, who s that undefinable something. IMO, he is top 3 already, but I always try not to anoint too early.

Ya i was the same and came around this year, particularly when he lost Jamar for a few weeks and still performed.

 

[Diehardblues]

Very true. And there's also the difference of elite career and elite right now.

Yea, but that gets more into that getting hot now aspect. I could see Prescott being elite for a stretch getting hot. Like we have seen from others before.

But does anyone really believe Prescott is HOF material? That’s what Elite is to me. So yes, ultimately it’s about a career not just now.

 

[Diehardblues]

What qualifies as elite?

Mahomes does things I have never seen a QB do but he stands alone with that label.

Allen, Burrow, Herbert and an emerging Lawrence are my next four but they also have their struggles.

I see elite passers but not so many elite QB’s. That takes a special talent to show up when they are needed the most. Marino was an elite passer but not QB. I do not think Staubach was considered an elite passer but he was an elite QB.

And while I think Mahomes is the only elite QB, would he be without Reid and Kelce?

This idea that a QB can lift and carry a team is ridiculous. They all need first rate coaching and talent around them.

I’ve always set the bar to define Elite as HOF caliber. Which HOF by definition is the best of the best from your era.

You make a great point about Elite passes vs Elite QB. In the end whichever you are lands you in the HOF.

 

[Ken]

Yea, but that gets more into that getting hot now aspect. I could see Prescott being elite for a stretch getting hot. Like we have seen from others before.

But does anyone really believe Prescott is HOF material? That’s what Elite is to me. So yes, ultimately it’s about a career not just now.

Not without multiple super bowls, no. 1 may get him in the discussion if he maintains the rating, comp %, int efficiency (short of this year), and winning. Those are all toward the top of the NFL in history.

 

[Doomsday101]

Yea, but that gets more into that getting hot now aspect. I could see Prescott being elite for a stretch getting hot. Like we have seen from others before.

But does anyone really believe Prescott is HOF material? That’s what Elite is to me. So yes, ultimately it’s about a career not just now.

I don't know, I do not look at Eli Manning as elite, he had some great season but always backed them up with horrible seasons

 

[stilltheguru]

Yes, really.

Sure, why not.

Mahomes
Allen
Herbert
Burrow
Rodgers

Now is where it gets dicey.

Cousins, Lamar, Stafford, Barbie, Hurts, Dak, Brady, Carr. In no particular order. Some will put Dak at 6, some at 14, and it's not necessarily wrong at either spot. It often depends on what sort of O you want to run, and having the brains to put the correct pieces around him.

This man said Coisins lol. Were done here

 

[NVMe_Zo]

I wouldn’t say elite, but he’s on the side of QBs I’d rather have. Joe Flacco won a Super Bowl, Peyton Manning won without an arm whatsoever. We’re good at QB, we’re not always going to have a top 3 QB ever.

 

[kskboys]

Not without multiple super bowls, no. 1 may get him in the discussion if he maintains the rating, comp %, int efficiency (short of this year), and winning. Those are all toward the top of the NFL in history.

Can't compare stats between eras. The game has changed way too much.

 

[Diehardblues]

Not without multiple super bowls, no. 1 may get him in the discussion if he maintains the rating, comp %, int efficiency (short of this year), and winning. Those are all toward the top of the NFL in history.

Yes, he’d need multiple rings and a long career running up his career numbers. And we could say that about almost anyone . What we have seen thus far wouldn’t begin to qualify.