CFZ Do we actually have fans who believe Dak is Elite?

[WillieBeamen]

He can choke all day. There's no world where Carr or Cousins are better. That's ridiculous

A list of 10 above Dak can be made without either of those two on it

 

[stilltheguru]

A list of 10 above Dak can be made without either of those two on it

Show me yours then cause I'm not entertaining one with those 2.

 

[Diehardblues]

I agree, I don't consider making the HOF necessary elite in terms of the player.

That’s an entirely different argument . But I think we have to set some basic parameters.

And if we can’t agree with HOF that those inducted are some of the best of an era then where can we begin to set some parameters beyond personal opinion?

 

[Loso86]

I’ve been going to bat for him in recent years against the Dak Haks but in another thread been arguing with a fan I actually agree on many issues but he believes Prescott has become Elite and in Top 5 of QB’s in the league.

He even asked me what 5 QB’s are better. Which was an easy response. Prescott is arguably by most sound analysts and critics closer to a Top 10 QB, not Top 5. Which being in the next best group isn’t a bad place to be .

The argument stemmed from a basis narrative of his that Elite QB’s were a necessity to being a consistent contender in Cap era. Which is another argument within itself . There are exceptions to that rule as well. But the argument initiated with criticism of franchises with less playoff success this era. We actually agree to a point on that basis.

And then he said Dak has become Elite. Even saying that he had bashed him earlier in his career. Are there other fans who also believe he has become Elite? I thought besides the extremes on both sides of the Haks and Homers that most felt he was closer to Top 10 to above average . Enough to build around and hopefully have more success.

Like most franchises except for a handful who have an Elite QB, you have to build around average to above average QB’s. No shame in that . Anyway, curious where the vibe is at this time . Not interested in hearing from the extremes. Thanks

The argument is flawed and doesn't mTter. Elite no, get idk does he play elite at times yes does he play great at times no. But Mahomes, Allen etc doesn't always play elite either.

 

[DFWJC]

A list of 10 above Dak can be made without either of those two on it

At a position where there are only 32 starters, top 10 is nothing special anyway.

But as I've always said, I think I like Dak a bit more than you do.


I've always said....put him anywhere between 9th and 14th or so and I won't argue too much

 

[Doomsday101]

That’s an entirely different argument . But I think we have to set some basic parameters.

And if we can’t agree with HOF that those inducted are some of the best of an era then where can we begin to set some parameters beyond personal opinion?

But it is personal opinion. Sports writers vote on HOF and have passed on guys who clearly should have made it a long time ago. There is no perfect solutions and I think most would agree on top elite players, Tom Brady for instance will be a HOF 5 years after he retires and is eligible, it is no brainer. Rodgers will be there. As I said before in my own personal view what is elite? it is the guy who performs at a very high level year in and year out despite how the overall team performs or if they reached SB or not.

 

[Diehardblues]

The argument is flawed and doesn't mTter. Elite no, get idk does he play elite at times yes does he play great at times no. But Mahomes, Allen etc doesn't always play elite either.

I’ve attempted to set the parameter or draw the line in the sand that Elite is defined by HOF .

If we can’t agree that HOF inductees are Elite , where do we begin to set parameters beyond personal opinions ?

 

[WillieBeamen]

Show me yours then cause I'm not entertaining one with those 2.

Definitely better

Rodgers
Burrow
Allen
Mahomes
Brady

Widely considered better by everyone outside this fanbase

Jackson
Herbert
Stafford
Watson

Debatable

Murray
Hurts
Lawerence


Only QB i may not take over Dak is Murray and only because hes a horrible teammate

 

[stilltheguru]

At a position where there are only 32 starters, top 10 is nothing special anyway.

But as I've always said, I think I like Dak a bit more than you do.


I've always said....put him anywhere between 9th and 14th or so and I won't argue too much

It's not special but he's the 10th best. 11 at worst and that's if you dislike him. All that kyler/Deshaun/carr talk is done

 

[Diehardblues]

But it is personal opinion. Sports writers vote on HOF and have passed on guys who clearly should have made it a long time ago. There is no perfect solutions and I think most would agree on top elite players, Tom Brady for instance will be a HOF 5 years after he retires and is eligible, it is no brainer. Rodgers will be there. As I said before in my own personal view what is elite? it is the guy who performs at a very high level year in and year out despite how the overall team performs or if they reached SB or not.

I understand and agree . There are some players who could be considered Elite who don’t get inducted.

But I think it’s important to set some parameters beyond personal opinion we can all establish as a basis to agree or at least accept . And that’s why I use HOF as a condition of Elite status .

 

[SultanOfSix]

IMO, an elite QB is not only one who is very good and consistent, but one who makes a difference when things aren’t going well to be the primary reason to elevate the team and eek out a win. They are the QBs that make plays when they matter and they aren’t somehow “screwed over” by their own team in the process (so they can’t be blamed). That’s my definition.

 

[DFWJC]

It's not special but he's the 10th best. 11 at worst and that's if you dislike him. All that kyler/Deshaun/carr talk is done

Like I said, if someone put him in the 9-14 range, I usually stay out of the argument

 

[stilltheguru]

Definitely better

Rodgers
Burrow
Allen
Mahomes
Brady

Widely considered better by everyone outside this fanbase

Jackson
Herbert
Stafford
Watson

Debatable

Murray
Hurts
Lawerence


Only QB i may not take over Dak is Murray and only because hes a horrible teammate

Murray was pure trash this year. Watson? hurts being better is funny too. Hurts is like Dak in 2016. Not that great/sirrounded by an all star oline and will get exposed in the playoffs. Stafford has a coach that led Goff to a super bowl and took Baker Mayfield off a scrap heap and has him looking good. Really? He's the same qb everybody laughed at for years

 

[Doomsday101]

I understand and agree . There are some players who could be considered Elite who don’t get inducted.

But I think it’s important to set some parameters beyond personal opinion we can all establish as a basis to agree or at least accept . And that’s why I use HOF as a condition of Elite status .

True but how do players get into HOF? Sports writers and their opinions. I'm sorry but there are names in the HOF who I don't think are worthy of it yet others who have been by passed. All I can say it is not a perfect system but it is all we have

 

[TheMightyVanHalen]

he believes Prescott has become Elite and in Top 5 of QB’s in the league.

So what if he believes that! What's the harm in that? He's more of a Cowboys fan than the so-called fans here who bash Dak at every chance they get, and wish he would die in a plane crash like several people here want him to do. You should make a thread on why is that allowed. That's way way WAY worse than thinking Dak is elite.

A member here thinks Romo is god. Dak supporters don't go around making fun of him for comparing Romo to God and making a thread about him for people to laugh at him.

 

[pitt33]

Elite quarterbacks are top 5 in the league. Bill Walsh used that number for reference.

By that definition, in any given decade of NFL football, “elite” quarterbacks can be counted on one hand. All the others lack some intangible(s) to put them in that category.

Prescott is not in that class.

I shouldn’t even have to type that last sentence.

 

[Diehardblues]

True but how do players get into HOF? Sports writers and their opinions. I'm sorry but there are names in the HOF who I don't think are worthy of it yet others who have been by passed. All I can say it is not a perfect system but it is all we have

Yes, it is all we have . And why I think it’s important to use as a basis or guideline of Eliteness. Is it perfect , no. Like any awards or recognition there can be flaws. Including our ROH.

But if we can’t agree someone is a Pro Bowler, a MVP or HOF where can we set a basis or foundation for all of us to accept or agree upon?

 

[DFWJC]

Murray was pure trash this year. Watson? hurts being better is funny too. Hurts is like Dak in 2016. Not that great/sirrounded by an all star oline and will get exposed in the playoffs. Stafford has a coach that led Goff to a super bowl and took Baker Mayfield off a scrap heap and has him looking good. Really? He's the same qb everybody laughed at for years

Interesting take on Hurts. Curious to see how he turns out. His improvement arc is looking pretty so far.
Also curious about Watson. Of course he is going to suck after a 2-year hiatus. I wonder if he ever gets it back.

Imo...You're wrong about Stafford, but it's not worth arguing over. That would take over the thread.

As for Murray? Yes, it was awful this year.

 

[Diehardblues]

So what if he believes that! What's the harm in that? He's more of a Cowboys fan than the so-called fans here who bash Dak at every chance they get, and wish he would die in a plane crash like several people here want him to do. You should make a thread on why is that allowed. That's way way WAY worse than thinking Dak is elite.

A member here thinks Romo is god. Dak supporters don't go around making fun of him for comparing Romo to God and making a thread about him for people to laugh at him.

Right. I initially said I wasn't interest in what the extremes had to say. But the fan I was referring to I wouldn’t have described as such before. It made me ponder. Maybe there are more? Maybe some think like him the needle has moved.

 

[Rayman70]

Dak is top 10. Thats more than good enough to win or get to the SB. Elite is an overused term and its dumb. Was Tony Eason Elite? Was Flacco Elite? Dilfer? Steve Mcnair wasn't elite. Matt Ryan? Nope. Matt Stafford is not Elite, yet he won a SB. Russ Wilson even on his best day wasn't Elite. But he didn't need to be all the time. He did what was asked. Same with Dak. He is in his prime.Dak has 2-3 more years of prime ball left. The time is now.