CFZ Do we actually have fans who believe Dak is Elite?

[kskboys]

This man said Coisins lol. Were done here

I surely hope so. I hate to have convo's w/ people who are incapable of discussion and evaluation. So, yes, go away.

 

[kskboys]

I don't know, I do not look at Eli Manning as elite, he had some great season but always backed them up with horrible seasons

Eli was never elite. Romo was considered the better QB by most NFL pundits.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

You're always getting worked up over everything.

Again, some posters might not appreciate you projecting your thoughts onto their words. If they mean "potential" then let them say that.

worked up. over what? two simple paragraphs of easily showing you have tied your shorts in a knot and can't get out of it...

so I am still waiting for you to show us where some fans on this forum literally said they take Dak over Dallas? it has to literally say that....

 

[Diehardblues]

I wouldn’t say elite, but he’s on the side of QBs I’d rather have. Joe Flacco won a Super Bowl, Peyton Manning won without an arm whatsoever. We’re good at QB, we’re not always going to have a top 3 QB ever.

Id agree. But this is more about drawing that line in the sand .

And is he Elite or HOF caliber or not. Which doesn’t diminish what he means to the success of the Cowboys. Yea, he’s enough to win with.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

There are a ton of qbs in the league with a ton of talent and more talent than Dak. They just can't play the position at a high level.

I am fine with Herbert in the top 5 because he has produced but i can't put him above Dak until he does it and makes a tangible difference for his team.

if they are more talented, why can't they play the position at a high level. what's talent in your opinion?

how has herbert produced? he has potential, but hasn't shown it. he does have a strong arm for sure, so is strong arm mean talent?

 

[Diehardblues]

Eli was never elite. Romo was considered the better QB by most NFL pundits.

If Romo could have played 15-20 full seasons instead of only 7 full seasons he could have compiled some career stats like Rivers did who could be considered for HOF.

And he’d of had more opportunities to win some more playoff games and possibly more. His injury stricken career was his biggest shortcoming .

 

[Stsinaz12]

I’ve been going to bat for him in recent years against the Dak Haks but in another thread been arguing with a fan I actually agree on many issues but he believes Prescott has become Elite and in Top 5 of QB’s in the league.

He even asked me what 5 QB’s are better. Which was an easy response. Prescott is arguably by most sound analysts and critics closer to a Top 10 QB, not Top 5. Which being in the next best group isn’t a bad place to be .

The argument stemmed from a basis narrative of his that Elite QB’s were a necessity to being a consistent contender in Cap era. Which is another argument within itself . There are exceptions to that rule as well. But the argument initiated with criticism of franchises with less playoff success this era. We actually agree to a point on that basis.

And then he said Dak has become Elite. Even saying that he had bashed him earlier in his career. Are there other fans who also believe he has become Elite? I thought besides the extremes on both sides of the Haks and Homers that most felt he was closer to Top 10 to above average . Enough to build around and hopefully have more success.

Like most franchises except for a handful who have an Elite QB, you have to build around average to above average QB’s. No shame in that . Anyway, curious where the vibe is at this time . Not interested in hearing from the extremes. Thanks

He is on his way

 

[stilltheguru]

I surely hope so. I hate to have convo's w/ people who are incapable of discussion and evaluation. So, yes, go away.

Kirk Cousins lmao

 

[Doomsday101]

Eli was never elite. Romo was considered the better QB by most NFL pundits.

I agree, Eli helped NY to 2 SB but also put up some very poor season right after each SB. As much as I would disagree with it, I think he will end up in the HOF

 

[stilltheguru]

I surely hope so. I hate to have convo's w/ people who are incapable of discussion and evaluation. So, yes, go away.

Derek carr lmao. Guy that's about to get benched. Lawd Jesus

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

worked up. over what? two simple paragraphs of easily showing you have tied your shorts in a knot and can't get out of it...

so I am still waiting for you to show us where some fans on this forum literally said they take Dak over Dallas? it has to literally say that....

Okay.

I will after explain after you show me where I claimed anyone said that what they're really meaning to say is that they're "Dak over Dallas".

 

[Diehardblues]

if they are more talented, why can't they play the position at a high level. what's talent in your opinion?

how has herbert produced? he has potential, but hasn't shown it. he does have a strong arm for sure, so is strong arm mean talent?

Good point . It eventually has to translate to some team success. In his third year now the Chargers look to make the playoffs . And we might begin to see what impact he can make.

It’s going to be a tougher road in AFC going up against who are arguably the most Elite QB’s in Mahomes, Allen and Burrows. Good for us they are all over there

 

[Ken]

if they are more talented, why can't they play the position at a high level. what's talent in your opinion?

how has herbert produced? he has potential, but hasn't shown it. he does have a strong arm for sure, so is strong arm mean talent?

Yes, a rocket arm is talent, the ability to run is talent, size is a talent imo, strength is a talent.

He has the size and arm strength in excess. Fairly mobile but his ability to play the position is lacking imo.

 

[Fritsch_the_cat]

But this is more about drawing that line in the sand .

And is he Elite or HOF caliber or not.

Not looking for an argument here as I really don't have a strong opinion on this, just knowing you are another old fart who has seen a lot of football I'm interested in your opinion on which Cowboy QB's through the teams history would you rate as "elite". I know it's hard to judge different eras but consider how they played during their time. I know Staubach and Aikman jump to mind, but who else? Meredith? White? Romo? LeBaron? To me, there are guys like White and Romo, who while very good, would we rate them as elite?

 

[Diehardblues]

I agree, Eli helped NY to 2 SB but also put up some very poor season right after each SB. As much as I would disagree with it, I think he will end up in the HOF

Maybe , he won’t be a 1st ballot, but it will also be about his accumulated career stats coupled with his rings and name heritage .

Eli wasn’t Elite from season to season but he’s top 10 career wise in passing yards and TD’s . Along with 2 time SB MVP where he often had his best games on the biggest stages. Impact is also a qualifier for HOF.

 

[Doomsday101]

Maybe , he won’t be a 1st ballot, but it will also be about his accumulated career stats coupled with his rings and name heritage .

Eli wasn’t Elite from season to season but he’s top 10 career wise in passing yards and TD’s . Along with 2 time SB MVP where he often had his best games on the biggest stages. Impact is also a qualifier for HOF.

I agree, I don't consider making the HOF necessary elite in terms of the player.

 

[WillieBeamen]

Dak is top 10. Nobody can seriously debate that unless you're trolling

LOL

When are you going to see the light? How many more playoff duds are you going to excuse him from?

 

[TheMightyVanHalen]

Nobody really believes that. If he played for Washington every single person who says that would call him a fraud.

Just laugh at them and move on.

Please don't speak for me.

If Parsons played for Philthy a lot of members here would hate his guts and wished he would die in a plane crash like people here want Dak to do.

 

[stilltheguru]

LOL

When are you going to see the light? How many more playoff duds are you going to excuse him from?

He can choke all day. There's no world where Carr or Cousins are better. That's ridiculous

 

[Diehardblues]

Not looking for an argument here as I really don't have a strong opinion on this, just knowing you are another old fart who has seen a lot of football I'm interested in your opinion on which Cowboy QB's through the teams history would you rate as "elite". I know it's hard to judge different eras but consider how they played during their time. I know Staubach and Aikman jump to mind, but who else? Meredith? White? Romo? LeBaron? To me, there are guys like White and Romo, who while very good, would we rate them as elite?

Meredith is the only other Cowboys QB I’d consider Elite . His shorten career( he didn’t start until 1963 and retired in 1968) probably kept him from HOF consideration. He is in the Cowboys ROH.

He won NFL player of the year in 1966 which is equivalent to MVP now and made Pro Bowl his last 3 seasons . He was one of the best in his era.

As far as White and Romo , both of their careers were shortened by injury preventing them from more success and amassing more career numbers that might have helped their cause .