CFZ Do we actually have fans who believe Dak is Elite?

[Nexx]

What's he ever been good enough to win?

against bad teams and NFC east teams in the regular season

 

[diamonddelts]

so based on this comment, if he hasn't won it already, he will never be able to win one? is that the logic?

he literally said, he is good enough to win with....not saying he was good enough to have won it!!!

Geez dude, give it a rest.

He is obsessed with Dak. He constantly disparages Dak yet uses him as his profile picture. Which is insanely weird. Like a sick fetsh.

 

[stilltheguru]

Interesting take on Hurts. Curious to see how he turns out. His improvement arc is looking pretty so far.
Also curious about Watson. Of course he is going to suck after a 2-year hiatus. I wonder if he ever gets it back.

Imo...You're wrong about Stafford, but it's not worth arguing over. That would take over the thread.

As for Murray? Yes, it was awful this year.

Is Mcvay not a qb whisperer? Put it like this. If Dak had mcvay level coach since 2016 would he be more successful?

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

I’ve always defined Elite as Hall Of Fame potential or talent level. Which doesn’t have to include winning a championship.

And how do you determine ones "potential" or "talent level"?

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

OMG, for some one who continously argues and claims to know so much and is so smart, you can play really dumb sometimes...so if the word potential wasn't literally in the comment, you are going to dismiss it...is everything literally has to be spelled out for you!!! he literally said he is good enough to win with...... meaning he has the potential. everybody else got it, except the guy who claims he is smarter than everybody else...

I expect more from you. I think you once again, just arguing so you can win an argument.....you make less and less sense these days.....you are sinking to poopydog levels these days out of you spite for Dak.

Don't expect more from him. You notice how quiet he's been this week?

 

[KJJ]

He was playing at an elite level prior to the ankle injury in 2020 and the first few weeks of the 2021 season until we faced Denver. He’s become inconsistent since then and doesn’t use his legs as often or as effectively as he used to. He showed on Sunday he can still played a very high level but the consistency hasn’t been there and he’s become INT prone.

 

[TheMightyVanHalen]

Dak is top 10. Thats more than good enough to win or get to the SB. Elite is an overused term and its dumb. Was Tony Eason Elite? Was Flacco Elite? Dilfer? Steve Mcnair wasn't elite. Matt Ryan? Nope. Matt Stafford is not Elite, yet he won a SB. Russ Wilson even on his best day wasn't Elite. But he didn't need to be all the time. He did what was asked. Same with Dak. He is in his prime.Dak has 2-3 more years of prime ball left. The time is now.

Exactly! Even a Dak/Cowboys homer like myself can agree with this. I think Dak homers go to the extreme to try and balance out all his hate he gets here.

Since he's the franchise QB of my all time favorite sports team, he's my favorite QB, I think Dak is elite and I wouldn't trade him for any other QB.

To be realistic, I don't think any QB, as of right now, is elite. Brady was the only elite QB in the last 15 years. THE Great Aaron "Generational QB" Rodgers was elite in the regular season. Not so much in the playoffs. Patrick Myhommie has to win another SB before I call him elite.

Good post, brother. Very level headed.

 

[starfan1]

“Consider yourselves sucked “ this is a tailor made thread for the detractors im surprised so many of you even bother to reason with them

they are unreasonable

 

[America's Cowboy]

Dak is definitely elite. How so? You just saw him gift a dumb TD and very early 10 point lead to an Eagles team that is arguably the best this year throughout the NFL. Our Defense gave up 27 points to that top team, couldn't stop the pass and gave up over 350 yards passing with not even 1 single sack. That Eagles team also ran for more than 85 yards while never being stopped and forced to punt 1 single time. The Eagles should have won, especially since their Defense held our rushing attack to a measly 74 yards rushing between Zeke & Pollard. Yet, they couldn't stop DAK! Dak showed the whole world how ELITE he is by carrying this team to victory by passing for 347 yards, 3 TDs and rushed for 41 yards.

After that pick-6 TD Dak threw early in the 1st quarter, Dak dominated to the point of a 141.6 passer rating against the NFL's #1 rated pass D...while carrying the team on his back to victory. If that's not ELITE to you, I don't know what is.

 

[Acceptablename]

Inconsistency is Dax main problem. When is hot can take you all the way .gonna be games that he’s off, inaccurate and not reading the field. We can win we just beat the Eagles

 

[Doomsday101]

Dak is definitely elite. How so? You just saw him gift a dumb TD and very early 10 point lead to an Eagles team that is arguably the best this year throughout the NFL. Our Defense gave up 27 points to that top team, couldn't stop the pass and gave up over 350 yards passing with not even 1 single sack. That Eagles team also ran for more than 85 yards while never being stopped and forced to punt 1 single time. The Eagles should have won, especially since their Defense held our rushing attack to a measly 74 yards rushing between Zeke & Pollard. Yet, they couldn't stop DAK! Dak showed the whole world how ELITE he is by carrying this team to victory by passing for 347 yards, 3 TDs and rushed for 41 yards.

After that pick-6 TD Dak threw early in the 1st quarter, Dak dominated to the point of a 141.6 passer rating against the NFL's #1 rated pass D...while carrying the team on his back to victory. If that's not ELITE to you, I don't know what is.

I felt Dak played an elite game, but 1 game not even 1 season makes you elite at least in my mind. To me it is the very few who produce at a high level year in and year out. No question Dak played outstanding vs a very good defense. I hope to see him continue to play as he did Saturday

 

[Diehardblues]

And how do you determine ones "potential" or "talent level"?

Thats not something we can clearly define as HOF. Potential is more of a judgment meaning not determined as yet.

 

[Kingofholland]

I’ve been going to bat for him in recent years against the Dak Haks but in another thread been arguing with a fan I actually agree on many issues but he believes Prescott has become Elite and in Top 5 of QB’s in the league.

He even asked me what 5 QB’s are better. Which was an easy response. Prescott is arguably by most sound analysts and critics closer to a Top 10 QB, not Top 5. Which being in the next best group isn’t a bad place to be .

The argument stemmed from a basis narrative of his that Elite QB’s were a necessity to being a consistent contender in Cap era. Which is another argument within itself . There are exceptions to that rule as well. But the argument initiated with criticism of franchises with less playoff success this era. We actually agree to a point on that basis.

And then he said Dak has become Elite. Even saying that he had bashed him earlier in his career. Are there other fans who also believe he has become Elite? I thought besides the extremes on both sides of the Haks and Homers that most felt he was closer to Top 10 to above average . Enough to build around and hopefully have more success.

Like most franchises except for a handful who have an Elite QB, you have to build around average to above average QB’s. No shame in that . Anyway, curious where the vibe is at this time . Not interested in hearing from the extremes. Thanks

Dak has always been a top 1/3 to top 10 guy in my eyes. The only reason he hasn't ascended higher is because of the lack of playoff success which you have to have to get into the conversation. Hopefully that narrate changes starting this season.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

He is obsessed with Dak. He constantly disparages Dak yet uses him as his profile picture. Which is insanely weird. Like a sick fetsh.

Dak lives in his head, rent free. he used to only post about Dak, until he got called out and then he cut access to his profile, and started to post a few meaningless posts non-dak related....just to show us he is not obsessed.

he is a funny character to say the least.

 

[Zman5]

There are people on here who believed Wince was elite. I'm sure some now believe Hurts is elite. So why should we be surprised about people thinking Dak is elite ?

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Yes, a rocket arm is talent, the ability to run is talent, size is a talent imo, strength is a talent.

He has the size and arm strength in excess. Fairly mobile but his ability to play the position is lacking imo.

although I think having some physical ability is key to success, ala Rush can't ever be great, because he has a noodle arm, that ability to play the position is what is the most important. Jamarcus Russell had a howitzer for an arm, but he sucked. Akili Smith could throw it on a rope, but he sucked, Jeff George had a very strong arm, but he sucked..

so is the same with Herbert. he shows flashes, but then he makes the dumb mistakes. he is inconsistent, although his physical ability is there.

with that said, I don't much care for running ability, although it helps. Primary job is to be able to throw and make all the throws. that's why I was never that high on Lamar Jackson. he is not a bad thrower, but I said it few years back, he will either get there and win it early in his career, but keep running and getting hit it will catch up with him, just like all other running QBs....

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Okay.

I will after explain after you show me where I claimed anyone said that what they're really meaning to say is that they're "Dak over Dallas".

what!!!! have you been dipping into the eggnog willis

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Not looking for an argument here as I really don't have a strong opinion on this, just knowing you are another old fart who has seen a lot of football I'm interested in your opinion on which Cowboy QB's through the teams history would you rate as "elite". I know it's hard to judge different eras but consider how they played during their time. I know Staubach and Aikman jump to mind, but who else? Meredith? White? Romo? LeBaron? To me, there are guys like White and Romo, who while very good, would we rate them as elite?

hey, as an old fart, I am offended by your old fart comment

 

[Ranching]

I’ve been going to bat for him in recent years against the Dak Haks but in another thread been arguing with a fan I actually agree on many issues but he believes Prescott has become Elite and in Top 5 of QB’s in the league.

He even asked me what 5 QB’s are better. Which was an easy response. Prescott is arguably by most sound analysts and critics closer to a Top 10 QB, not Top 5. Which being in the next best group isn’t a bad place to be .

The argument stemmed from a basis narrative of his that Elite QB’s were a necessity to being a consistent contender in Cap era. Which is another argument within itself . There are exceptions to that rule as well. But the argument initiated with criticism of franchises with less playoff success this era. We actually agree to a point on that basis.

And then he said Dak has become Elite. Even saying that he had bashed him earlier in his career. Are there other fans who also believe he has become Elite? I thought besides the extremes on both sides of the Haks and Homers that most felt he was closer to Top 10 to above average . Enough to build around and hopefully have more success.

Like most franchises except for a handful who have an Elite QB, you have to build around average to above average QB’s. No shame in that . Anyway, curious where the vibe is at this time . Not interested in hearing from the extremes. Thanks

Because we have fans like you, that don't appreciate him! What the heck do you want, Roger Staubach....every frikkin year....spoiled fans are the worst fans

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

LOL

When are you going to see the light? How many more playoff duds are you going to excuse him from?

no doubt, he has to go further in the playoffs and not be the cause of playoff losses.....