CFZ Do we actually have fans who believe Dak is Elite?

[SteveTheCowboy]

This whole "elite" or "top 5" or "top 10" argument became a non-issue for me a long time ago. I can see with my own eyes that Dak is a good enough QB to win with. That's the only "ranking" I really care about. The rest is just talking head fodder. I think it was that first 5 games of 2020 where I saw Dak reach that level that I became convinced he was now good enough to win a championship with. Where does he rank among other QBs? Who cares? He's the only starting QB on my and as such he doesn't need to be "better than so and so" for me.. He just needs to be good enough for my team to win. Which he is...

That was my instant reaction. Ate we really gonna argue or do a hard break down on this?

So what if we have a few extremists....big deal.

If i was forced into it.....id say sometimes daks plays look awkward. Maybe even downright ugly. And he does have a knack for head scratchers.

For now....dont care.

If defense plays well...and a dak headscratcer comes up and bounces us out of playoffs....we can talk.

So many people just want their told ya so's. Its maddening.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

no doubt, he has to go further in the playoffs and not be the cause of playoff losses.....

Oh.....you beat me to it. With less words.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

against bad teams and NFC east teams in the regular season

like the eagles and Vikings? yeah, I am with you

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Exactly. Amongst the starting quarterbacks in the league, he is clearly better than half of them. Top 10... ? From game to game... it varies, but yes. Honestly, any team that has a quarterback arguably in the top 10, is NOT going to exchange that QB for Dak. Dallas would never trade away Dak, either.

Here's to hoping that Dak hits his prime, the same way Aikman did for the Super Bowl runs in the 90's... Aikman was near perfect, and looked like the Top 1 quarterback at the time.

Dak did a pretty good impression of perfect after the interception. As Jimmy Johnson pointed out, a clean pocket is a key ingredient of that. And the line is improving. The run game is a threat, when Pollard gets back to it.

I think you nailed it. When hes good hes good, when hes bad hes pretty bad.
Yes...all players have bad plays and games. But elites dont have that much distance between.

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

what!!!! have you been dipping into the eggnog willis

I'm not claiming anyone said they are a "Dak over Dallas" fan.

Posters like yourself just act that way.

You on the other hand are trying to take up for another poster (why I don't know) and put words into their posts that they didn't say, but what you think and feel they really meant when they said what they said.

It's weird that you decided to interject yourself into this, but then again it seems you just can't help yourself when you see my username.

Rent. Free.

 

[terra]

Dak is top 10. Thats more than good enough to win or get to the SB. Elite is an overused term and its dumb. Was Tony Eason Elite? Was Flacco Elite? Dilfer? Steve Mcnair wasn't elite. Matt Ryan? Nope. Matt Stafford is not Elite, yet he won a SB. Russ Wilson even on his best day wasn't Elite. But he didn't need to be all the time. He did what was asked. Same with Dak. He is in his prime.Dak has 2-3 more years of prime ball left. The time is now.

wilson at his best was elite. Sadly that was not for very long. Really fell off a cliff

 

[Doomsday101]

although I think having some physical ability is key to success, ala Rush can't ever be great, because he has a noodle arm, that ability to play the position is what is the most important. Jamarcus Russell had a howitzer for an arm, but he sucked. Akili Smith could throw it on a rope, but he sucked, Jeff George had a very strong arm, but he sucked..

so is the same with Herbert. he shows flashes, but then he makes the dumb mistakes. he is inconsistent, although his physical ability is there.

with that said, I don't much care for running ability, although it helps. Primary job is to be able to throw and make all the throws. that's why I was never that high on Lamar Jackson. he is not a bad thrower, but I said it few years back, he will either get there and win it early in his career, but keep running and getting hit it will catch up with him, just like all other running QBs....

Take physical talent and just as important if not more important is mental talent and toughness. The elite always know and understand the situation and then execute it. Even when you have them on the ropes they do not fold.

 

[Nav22]

What's he ever been good enough to win?

60-35 as a starter, despite an average-at-best defense for much of his time here.

You'll just have to keep coping.

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

60-35 as a starter, despite an average-at-best defense for much of his time here.

You'll just have to keep coping.

Okay.

But what's won?

Participation trophies?

You take pride in that?

 

[Diehardblues]

Because we have fans like you, that don't appreciate him! What the heck do you want, Roger Staubach....every frikkin year....spoiled fans are the worst fans

Sounds like you’re responding to the title not the substance of the post .

I’ve defended Prescott against the Haters while also questioning the Homers , attempting to be a voice for most fans who are more in the middle .

Like I said , I’m not interested in the extremes on both sides.

 

[Doomsday101]

wilson at his best was elite. Sadly that was not for very long. Really fell off a cliff

? Russell Wilson? The guy claim to fame is the long ball and handing it off to Marshawn Lynch. His 1st SB it was Lynch carrying that team and the following season had another in their grip until some idiot decided to throw it down on the goal line and NE intercepted it. Wilson throws a very good deep ball but he is far from elite without a big time running game

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

I'm not claiming anyone said they are a "Dak over Dallas" fan.

Posters like yourself just act that way.

You on the other hand are trying to take up for another poster (why I don't know) and put words into their posts that they didn't say, but what you think and feel they really meant when they said what they said.

It's weird that you decided to interject yourself into this, but then again it seems you just can't help yourself when you see my username.

Rent. Free.

so you never accused anyone of being a Dak over Dallas fan?

and its funny, that because a word was not there...you didn't understand the post....tells me a lot about your comprehension skills....which explains a lot by the way...

and there goes your ego again...you got called out and now you are all upset....btw, if you noticed, you are not the only one I responded to, so deflate that big head a bit so you can get through the double door way at least.

and you are in a public forum...and you complain about being responded to one of your posts!! huh, now that's funny.

 

[TWOK11]

Depends entirely on how you define elite. Dak is a currently a top 10 starting quarterback in the NFL.

 

[Rayman70]

wilson at his best was elite. Sadly that was not for very long. Really fell off a cliff

what we can agree on is this, he fell off that cliff last year, and it was evident during the latter half of 2021. It was sad watching him struggle.

 

[Nav22]

Okay.

But what's won?

Participation trophies?

You take pride in that?

We all want a Lombardi.

Those of us who know football understand that it's a team sport.

Dak's a much better QB than a lot of guys who have won Super Bowls. We're lucky to have a top 10 QB who gives us a legitimate shot. If we EVER pair him with a great defense, look out.

You don't get it because 1) you don't know football, and 2) you're in a cult.

Which is why you won't also bash guys like Josh Allen and Justin Herbert for their lack of Super Bowl success. "No, they get a pass but Dak doesn't!!!"

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

We all want a Lombardi.

Those of us who know football understand that it's a team sport.

Dak's a much better QB than a lot of guys who have won Super Bowls. We're lucky to have a top 10 QB who gives us a legitimate shot. If we EVER pair him with a great defense, look out.

You don't get it because 1) you don't know football, and 2) you're in a cult.

Which is why you won't also bash guys like Josh Allen and Justin Herbert for their lack of Super Bowl success. "No, they get a pass but Dak doesn't!!!"

A "Cowboys fan" that complains that other Cowboys fans aren't bashing QBs from other teams for their lack of success?

If you want to see them get bashed I suggest you don't look for it on a Dallas Cowboys forum.

Dak is the Dallas Cowboys problem. Josh Allen and Justin Herbert are not.

It still boggles my mind that some of ya'll can't wrap your head around why Dak (The QB for the Dallas Cowboys) get's talked about so much on a Dallas Cowboys forum.

 

[Diehardblues]

We all want a Lombardi.

Those of us who know football understand that it's a team sport.

Dak's a much better QB than a lot of guys who have won Super Bowls. We're lucky to have a top 10 QB who gives us a legitimate shot. If we EVER pair him with a great defense, look out.

You don't get it because 1) you don't know football, and 2) you're in a cult.

Which is why you won't also bash guys like Josh Allen and Justin Herbert for their lack of Super Bowl success. "No, they get a pass but Dak doesn't!!!"

Right, just because Dak isn’t Elite doesn’t mean he’s not good enough for more success.

Most of the Elites we all agree on now like Allen , Burrows and Herbert haven’t won a championship either. Which winning championships isn’t the only measurement .

 

[noshame]

I'm staying out of this debate for 2 years until Dak is out of the NFL it'll be a lot easier then.

 

[stilltheguru]

no doubt, he has to go further in the playoffs and not be the cause of playoff losses.....

But even if he doesn't he'd still top 10. Cousins never came close to a playoff win. Carr? Kyler? I'll put Lawrence over Dak if they make the playoffs this year. He lose to Malik Willis I ain't trying to hear it

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Thats not something we can clearly define as HOF. Potential is more of a judgment meaning not determined as yet.

I think that's where this whole discussion goes. I can make a argument for Dak being top 5 this year. I can make one for Geno Smith. Jared Goff is quietly having an efficient season.
It seems like draft status gives a lot of these guys a boost in these discussions.....Specifically in the Justin Herbet discussion. He has not had a elite career. Back peddled into the playoffs for the first time. But he has a arm and is 6'6 so he's "elite" lol.