Do you feel the Mingo trade will be worth it in the long run

[thunderpimp91]

This discussion takes in no account.....absolutely no account, that Cooper was our QB, upon Mingo's arrival. No offense to Cooper, but c'mon. Outside of Cee Dee, we had guys all year with minuscule numbers and production in the WR group. He will get graded early and fairly.....coming soon.

Sure, and I think it's very fair to look beyond the numbers in this situation. The issue is still there however that the film really isn't good at all outside of the Washington game to end the season, and he didn't show well enough to get significant snaps on a thin WR unit. Even with Lamb out he only got 27/78 offensive snaps against Washington and 30/62 snaps against Philly.

I'm not doubting that there are some tools there to build on for Mingo, but honestly the goal should be to have enough at WR in 2025 that we don't get a chance to grade him early and often and see him more from a 4th/5th WR role. If he shows up in camp next year and forces his way onto the field thats great, but I see no reason to go into 2025 depending on him for even 11 personnel starter reps.

 

[DallasDW00ds0n]

Forgot Mingo was even here

 

[NDGAEDE]

Might end up being even worse than the Lance trade.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Jones said that fans should keep an eye out, he had something up his sleeve, or something to that effect, the week before the trade deadline.

You guys. I can't believe some still listen to what he says. I've been saying for years that is a huge mistake.

Don't listen to him. Just watch what he does. It's the only thing that matters.

 

[baltcowboy]

Unless Mingo is an all-pro the trade sucks. That is what most of the board is saying. If Mingo proves to be serviceable jack of all trade 3rd receiver it would be a good trade. The kid certainly has the talent to do that. Mingo is the youngest receiver on the roster and next to CeeDee is the most physically gifted.

 

[blueblood70]

I understand the typical alignments of an NFL offense, but any receiver can play in the slot. As I'm sure you've noticed, NFL teams are starting to find success by aligning their premier receiver in the slot. Some of the reasons for this success are 1. Aligning in the slot gives them a less restricted release 2. They have a two-way go (inside or outside) upon releasing - more space to operate 3. The ball travels less distance to the slot than the outside receiver 4. Mismatch reasons - slot cornerbacks tend to be smaller 5. To take advantage of defensive strategy - quality outside CB, safety rotation, etc. My primary reason for saying Mingo might have success in the slot is because of the physical mismatch he might present to a slot corner. Obviously, you see it differently which is cool.

In my opinion is it's a bad idea we already have a lot of guys that can do motion that can play out of the slot we need a bigger faster receiver someone like A.J. Brown with speed I already said it like Mingo would be good if he was talented that would be the type that you need that's why they picked him up a faster larger target is what we need that is what I'm telling you but not putting him in the slot that doesn't make sense to me and I don't care what you are trying to sell me that's my opinion besides the fact that we need to go to our tight ends a lot more and we don't even do that so you expect a guy that's built like a tight end to go inside and play slot it's the scheme that's the problem more than it is the players...

 

[Sarge]

We need a “hell no” option.

 

[Proof]

LOL. Did anyone see the Schatz (the DVOA guy) article yesterday?

Mingo this year had the third worst DYAR in the league, and the year before had the second worst DYAR season of all time.

Absolute clown show of a trade.

https://ftnfantasy.com/nfl/jackson-...-all-time-dyar-seasons-in-2024#wide-receivers

sheesh. wow

 

[Einstein]

No. He will probably remain behind Tolbert, and I've seen mock drafts with us taking a WR in the 1st, so nothing better than a 4th WR when we possibly could have had more production with a 4th round pick.

 

[Cmac]

Sure, and I think it's very fair to look beyond the numbers in this situation. The issue is still there however that the film really isn't good at all outside of the Washington game to end the season, and he didn't show well enough to get significant snaps on a thin WR unit. Even with Lamb out he only got 27/78 offensive snaps against Washington and 30/62 snaps against Philly.

I'm not doubting that there are some tools there to build on for Mingo, but honestly the goal should be to have enough at WR in 2025 that we don't get a chance to grade him early and often and see him more from a 4th/5th WR role. If he shows up in camp next year and forces his way onto the field thats great, but I see no reason to go into 2025 depending on him for even 11 personnel starter reps.

No dispute....I'm just holding the same standard for Tolbert, Flournoy, and Brooks.......our WR group was a mess all year, even with Cee Dee hoisting numbers. No need for Cooks to return. Our TE group was a mess too.....catching & especially blocking.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

As another mid round talent to add to the mix he is fine. He doesn't help with our desperate need for talent at the offensive skill positions.

 

[SlammedZero]

Absolutely stupid trade. Teams must LOVE when they get Jerry Jones on the horn talking trading. Carolina is trying to build a team there. Why in the world would they give up good talent? The kid was busting, they knew it, and they took advantage of Jerry because it's an easy thing to do.

 

[blueblood70]

I understand the typical alignments of an NFL offense, but any receiver can play in the slot. As I'm sure you've noticed, NFL teams are starting to find success by aligning their premier receiver in the slot. Some of the reasons for this success are 1. Aligning in the slot gives them a less restricted release 2. They have a two-way go (inside or outside) upon releasing - more space to operate 3. The ball travels less distance to the slot than the outside receiver 4. Mismatch reasons - slot cornerbacks tend to be smaller 5. To take advantage of defensive strategy - quality outside CB, safety rotation, etc. My primary reason for saying Mingo might have success in the slot is because of the physical mismatch he might present to a slot corner. Obviously, you see it differently which is cool.

Yes in this case with Mingo I do and the fact that we need a different type of wide receiver to line out wide I also disagree but you contradict yourself you say they put their premier player in the slot yeah we do that his name is CD lamb and then you have these other smaller guys who are best utilized in motion or the slot too many of the same types like Turpin and cooks Mingo we need a guy like him that can actually catch the football get open and one-on-one matchups against a regular corner you know when they're doubling lamb you have to have a number two that can absolutely make a team pay for covering one-on-one that guy's not on this roster he needs to be a free agent or in the draft high first 3 rounds..

Like I said we have a lot of the same types right now cooks is probably not coming back the other guys are just rotational at best so we're gonna have a big hole at #2 mingo's not the guy at this point so we need an A.J. Brown type with speed maybe a young A.J. Brown type that we can put outside and that's why you're using lamb inside and in motion like they use devante Smith yes we're talking about the eagles but most of all we need a better offensive coordinator a better scheme because no matter who we have on this team it's not gonna look good dumping the ball off all the time and not challenging the defense terrible in the red zone but another big dude with a little bit of speed can help also in the red zone that's all I'm saying in this case on this team discussing Mingo I'm saying you're dead wrong not putting that dude in the slot he needs to learn 50 ball maybe when Prescott comes back and they try to get this guy more snaps next year maybe he's better with Prescott but time will tell but staying on the Mingo discussion he is not gonna be on this team a good option in the slot he should be a mismatch already against the number 2 or #3 cover guy A DB they're probably only putting safeties on him or a linebacker at best.. If he's not beating them on a regular basis and he's not the guy at this point in his career...

I mean he might develop into something like Noah brown and that would be OK but right at this point we don't know anything all I know is we have a lot of guys that can play inside play the slot do the mismatch thing we need a big dude that can take 5050 balls in red zone shots..

 

[blueblood70]

No. He will probably remain behind Tolbert, and I've seen mock drafts with us taking a WR in the 1st, so nothing better than a 4th WR when we possibly could have had more production with a 4th round pick.

Yes best player available of course the mock drafts have a wide receiver in the mix also pass rush also possibly running back middle linebacker I mean a lot of things are in play at #12 but if there's best player available is a difference maker at wide receiver for sure you need to take him...

 

[blueblood70]

I think He's Our new Noah Brown.

I just wish His parents had named Him Montavious.

That might be his ceiling but he is not our Noah brown right now that would be tolbert brown was effective enough to be a number 3 or #4 option just like tolbert mingo's not even in the mix right now I mean brooks is a better option than Mingo right now he might not do a whole lot but at least he can go up and get some tough catches every now and again but yeah if we're looking ahead mango could develop into Noah brown that probably would be a positive a poor man's gallop but right now that's Tolbert.

 

[kskboys]

A fourth-round pick is just too much for a WR who hasn't done anything. If we had given up a fifth, I would have felt much better about it, especially since we are expected to get three extra fifth-round compensatory picks.
The 4th round picks are just so valuable. I am not sure why Jerry is giving them away like candy.

Yes you are. Jerry is football dumb.

 

[kskboys]

4th was a high price for what he was. However he is still under contract for two years

I think 80-100 catches over two years is pretty good production for a 4th round pick. Will Mingo get that?

Since this guy has been absolutely awful for 2 years, I don't see it.

 

[atlantacowboy]

This was clearly a desperate and stupid trade given the situation this team was/is in this season. Heck, giving a 4th for that guy is a stupid decision no matter the situation.

KC gets Deandre Hopkins for a conditional 5th. That's how dumb we are.

 

[TrailBlazer]

Hes just as good as any 4th rounder we would have picked. Anything after the 3rd round is a big crap shoot. Really inconsequential in the grand scheme of things. Gotta get out of this bargain shopping mindset. Prioritize high draft picks and spend money in free agency.

 

[kskboys]

Hes just as good as any 4th rounder we would have picked. Anything after the 3rd round is a big crap shoot. Really inconsequential in the grand scheme of things. Gotta get out of this bargain shopping mindset. Prioritize high draft picks and spend money in free agency.

Really? Better than Pollard? Jake Ferguson? Dalton Schultz? Biadasz? Dorrance Armstrong? Bradie James?

How'd you come to that conclusion?