Does Garrett survive this scenario?

[Doomsday101]

If Dallas finishes 11-5 but doesn't make the playoffs then he's going to keep Garrett.

It's silly to think they would fire him for an 11-5 season if the team didn't make the playoffs because of other teams playing to such crazy good records.

11-5 probably 95% of the time gets you into the playoffs so if for some reason it didn't this year you're not going to fire Garrett for something weird like that.

True however I could see it cost him if we are 11-4 heading into Washington with playoff on the line and failing.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

True however I could see it cost him if we are 11-4 heading into Washington with playoff on the line and failing.

I suppose in that situation then they might have to consider it. I'd still be pretty surprised if they fired him coming off an 11-5 year.

 

[BigStar]

I would hope a team 4 years apart would have different roster makeup. The average NFL career isn't very long. The prize piece (Romo) is still here though and would deem that the hardest position to fill on a NFL team. BP/SP groomed TR so not sure where you are going there meaning he should have started earlier? The 13-3 gaffe was on the players. Maybe Wade for allowing a vacation during the bye but outside of that, it is hard to not pin that on the players (Romo included). The O was simply not aggressive enough when the opportunities were there.

We also had the players during 09 (only a half a season prior to JG's tenure) that went 11-5 and WON a playoff a game. Your saying that talent was lost when JG took over, or did the team have a few holes to fill like most? I would say job well done if the team made the NFC Championship game (not that unreasonable) I am not totally unreasonable to not acknowledge JG would most definitely earned an extension. He is the man up top and deserves that credit. The WAS game was completely on Linehan for not adjusting to the blitz. That's not on Garrett (maybe by extension but not def. not directly) and blame Linney directly for that loss. You are correct, too, in that I never imagined this record so would have to acknowledge JG has exceeded my expectations for this season. I'll get over my ginger hate with a playoff win

 

[Doomsday101]

I suppose in that situation then they might have to consider it. I'd still be pretty surprised if they fired him coming off an 11-5 year.

Granted 11-5 I could not see Garrett getting canned unless it is a scenario where once again we get to week 17 with everything on the line vs a team we should beat.

 

[Doomsday101]

I would hope a team 4 years apart would have different roster makeup. The average NFL career isn't very long. The prize piece (Romo) is still here though and would deem that the hardest position to fill on a NFL team. BP/SP groomed TR so not sure where you are going there meaning he should have started earlier? The 13-3 gaffe was on the players. Maybe Wade for allowing a vacation during the bye but outside of that, it is hard to not pin that on the players (Romo included). The O was simply not aggressive enough when the opportunities were there.

We also had the players during 09 (only a half a season prior to JG's tenure) that went 11-5 and WON a playoff a game. Your saying that talent was lost when JG took over, or did the team have a few holes to fill like most? I would say job well done if the team made the NFC Championship game (not that unreasonable) I am not totally unreasonable to not acknowledge JG would most definitely earned an extension. He is the man up top and deserves that credit. The WAS game was completely on Linehan for not adjusting to the blitz. That's not on Garrett (maybe by extension but not def. not directly) and blame Linney directly for that loss. You are correct, too, in that I never imagined this record so would have to acknowledge JG has exceeded my expectations for this season. I'll get over my ginger hate with a playoff win

BP had us running the ball vs Seahawks when they had 3rd and 4th string DB playing in the wildcard game why? I'm just saying the entire weight of the Cowboys past should not be on Garrett shoulders his team failing last year I thought would have cost him his job but given he had a year remaining Jerry stuck with him and hopefully that decision pays off. I think the working relationship of Garrett and Jones is one that can work.
As you mention we have not made the playoffs as of yet, we have won nothing just in a position to do so and I think how this team responds to this pressure and this opportunity will likely determine Garrett fate.
Personally I don't care if it is in Garrett 4th year as HC this team rises to the occasion instead of year 3, to me that does not matter what matters is it got done

 

[jobberone]

It's a slippery slope, but you've got to set the barometer somewhere. What are we comparing him to? His predecessors in Dallas? The last two got to the playoffs quicker than Garrett did. His peers who were hired around the same time or more recently? If many of them are having quicker success, I just think it's hard to argue that Garrett needs more time.

I don't think he needs 'more' time as it seems upon us.

 

[big dog cowboy]

This thread is still going?

 

[rcaldw]

After you (I was in a coma the last 3 seasons)

, I've done it. I was dead wrong on the QB question between Romo and Drew Henson. Not wrong on Garrett though, so I can't say I was wrong on that one.

 

[DOUBLE WING]

true, BP got us to the wild card and knocked out. Wade got us to the post season won 1 and knocked out and knocked out 1st rd in the other. Should Garrett get his team into post season and actually do something would it matter if it took him longer?

But that's an assumption that so far hasn't happened. He's already been given longer and more chances (in terms of coaching staff turnover) than Wade ever was, and he still hasn't had postseason success.

 

[DOUBLE WING]

I don't think he needs 'more' time as it seems upon us.

Well that was said working under the assumption that the scenario laid out in the OP occurs.

 

[BigStar]

, I've done it. I was dead wrong on the QB question between Romo and Drew Henson. Not wrong on Garrett though, so I can't say I was wrong on that one.

At least you admitted it

 

[NickZepp]

I said going into this season that 8 wins would give Garrett a running at coach of the year just because of the talent level on defenses. And Dallas has 8 wins with 5 games left. Garrett should be in the running for coach of the year not talked about being fired.

The talent level on defense particularly the front 4 is very, very low.

 

[Doomsday101]

But that's an assumption that so far hasn't happened. He's already been given longer and more chances (in terms of coaching staff turnover) than Wade ever was, and he still hasn't had postseason success.

and? He is in his 4th year as HC should they do something no one except a few will give a rats ars if it took him 4 years instead of 3. lol

Those who do not like Garrett I doubt anything is going to change their minds, that is their right they don't have to like him. For me I only care about winning and if it takes year 4 to do something I don't really care.

 

[jobberone]

Well that was said working under the assumption that the scenario laid out in the OP occurs.

Doesn't need much more than avoiding a collapse that would have to include a healthy team including Romo.

 

[pancakeman]

I just checked the playoff sims and it's going to be nearly impossible for the Cowboys to finish 11-5 and NOT make the playoffs. Too many divisional games all over. And no, Garrett will definitely be back regardless.

Not true. One example: Cowboys drop one Eagles game and Colts game. Seattle wins at Arizona week 16, not very implausible. All other games follow the ESPN power rankings. Cowboys stay home (I think screwed by the fact that there's a three-way tie at 11-5 with the Lions, so the head to head victory over the Seahawks doesn't determine the tiebreaker).

 

[AbeBeta]

11-5 is a huge success. If you don't make it to the playoffs and go 11-5 it is terrible circumstances preventing you from making it. It would be moronic to fire a coach because the NFC South is so bad that the division that gets matched up with them this year (NFC North) may very well have two teams with 11 or more wins.

 

[Tommy]

That wasn't the purpose of the thread, at all, but keep trolling if that makes you feel better.

Better subject: Garrett has this team playing WAY better than I'm sure you predicted. What do you think the chances are that Garrett gets coach of the year?

 

[CyberB0b]

I said going into this season that 8 wins would give Garrett a running at coach of the year just because of the talent level on defenses. And Dallas has 8 wins with 5 games left. Garrett should be in the running for coach of the year not talked about being fired.

The talent level on defense particularly the front 4 is very, very low.

Garrett has been here since 2007 and went from assistant head coach to head coach halfway into the 2010 season. Let's not pretend he hasn't had a say in the personnel since for 7 years.

 

[Lazyking]

I don't see how going 11-5, even missing the playoffs doesn't keep him around. its not gonna be easy to miss the playoffs at 11-5. it means Seattle would have to go 12-4 and the Niners 11-5. I think the only way he gets fired if we lose our last five.

 

[Idgit]

Garrett has been here since 2007 and went from assistant head coach to head coach halfway into the 2010 season. Let's not pretend he hasn't had a say in the personnel since for 7 years.

'Having a say' and having it be your puppy are two completely different things. Have you really not noticed a change in the approach to drafting, FA, and cap management under Jason Garrett? Because it's been night and day from where I'm sitting.