Does Romo go in the RoH?

[WPBCowboysFan]

I would guess there's been at least two dozen threads on this and the answer is no unless he wins multiple championships.

Maybe Jerry will put E-Lie in our ROH since he has a couple of rings an even autographed a wall at our place . . . . ya know, since championships are all that matter

 

[Sportsbabe]

I would guess there's been at least two dozen threads on this and the answer is no unless he wins multiple championships.

3 dozen threads on this and Tony can go anywhere he wants in Dallas given what he's done for this franchise in his career.

 

[KJJ]

No, I don't have a link, I just remember reading about him saying something to that affect within the last year. Now, you've gotten my curiosity up...I'll do some research and see if I can find it.

I've heard Jerry make a comment that if players would play to the level of Romo the Cowboys would have had more success but never heard him say he's wasted Romo's talents. It's the FANS who've claimed that.

 

[Arkyvarminter]

Seeing you agree with him you just went down with him....BLOCK! Yell BINGO to that! lol

Your doing me a favor..

 

[KJJ]

3 dozen threads on this and Tony can go anywhere he wants in Dallas given what he's done for this franchise in his career.

Three dozen threads and it's resulted in the same argument each time. Jerry hasn't added a single player to the ROH from the Landry era or his own era that didn't contribute to a Cowboys championship. Staubach and Aikman set the bar high for Romo and I doubt franchise passing records are going to be good enough to put Romo alongside 2 QB's that won 5 championships between them.

 

[LandryFan]

He's made some statements in the past but I've never seen him quoted as saying he's wasted Romo's talents. If you have a quote with him saying that feel free to post it.

OK, found the article I was thinking of. I cannot post the link because I'm using an I-Pad right now and don't know how (or even if it's possible) to copy and paste (Google "Jerry Jones: Biggest negative of my career woul be Tony Romo no winnin a championship"). The article is dated 24 Nov 14 on Foxsports.com. A ways down in the article JJ is quoted as saying something to the effect of it being the biggest disappointment of his (JJ's) career if Romo doesn't win a SB. I also remember an interview in which someone followed up on that statement and he said he felt responsible. It's not all exactly as I remembered, but close.

 

[joseephuss]

You have average NFL QB's shattering records of HOF QB's from 30 plus years ago because of rule changes and the NFL being a pass happy league. Everything is bent on perfecting the performance of QB's. Mark Sanchez had a higher career passer rating than Joe Namath with the Jets. It was a running league during Aikman's era with Emmitt and Barry Sanders leading the way. It makes no difference that Romo is 80 TD's ahead of Troy. Aikman outdistances Romo in every category during the post season. The Cowboys ROH under Jerry Jones is about players who've led his teams to championships.

The Namath/Sanchez comparison is a poor one if you limit yourself to only looking at career passer rating. While Sanchez has a better career passer rating than Namath, Sanchez does not compare well to his contemporaries with regards to seaonsal passer rating. Sanchez has never finished in the top ten in a single season for passer rating. Namath finished in the top five in passer rating 5 times during his career.

Sanchez career 74.1 passer rating is much lower than the league average of 83.5 over that same time period. Namath put up a career 65.5 rating against a league average 65.4 during his era.

Tony Romo has finished in the top ten 8 times during his career and in the top five 4 times while leading the league in passer rating last season. The only season Romo didn't have a top ten finish was in 2010 when he missed most of the season due to injury. He would have finished around 7th had he been able to qualify for that year.

Sure the league has made it easier on all QBs to produce numbers, but the good to great QBs still out produce the peers of their era. Romo has done that. Romo's career passer rating of 97.6 compares very well against the league average of 82.5 since 2006 when he became the starter. That is 18.3% higher than the league average.

Roger Staubach was 26.9% better than league average.

Danny White was13.2% better than league average.

Don Meredith was 12.7% better than league average.

Troy Aikman was 8.5% better than league average.

I love me some Troy, but according to many on this site Aikman played with the better offensive line(I agree until now), better running back(agreed), better #1 wide receiver(good debate), better tight end(I strongly disagree) and better defense(true). I think Romo has done some amazing stuff with less to work with and has represented the proud tradition of Cowboys QBs well. He is RoH worthy and 2 or 3 more great seasons will just solidify his worth.

 

[KJJ]

OK, found the article I was thinking of. I cannot post the link because I'm using an I-Pad right now and don't know how (or even if it's possible) to copy and paste. The article is dated 24 Nov 14 on Foxsports.com. A ways down in the article JJ is quoted as saying something to the effect of it being the biggest disappointment of his (JJ's) career if Romo doesn't win a SB. I also remember an interview in which someone followed up on that statement and he said he felt responsible. It's not all exactly as I remembered, but close.

"Something to the effect" isn't a quote. Never once have I head or read Jerry saying he's wasted Romo's talents.

 

[LandryFan]

I've heard Jerry make a comment that if players would play to the level of Romo the Cowboys would have had more success but never heard him say he's wasted Romo's talents. It's the FANS who've claimed that.

See my other reply for link, but you're right, I didn't see where he said he wasted Romo's career, either. Don't know if that's something I heard/read elsewhere, or just imagined it. Wouldn't be the first time I posted something wrong...

 

[LandryFan]

"Something to the effect" isn't a quote. Never once have I head or read Jerry saying he's wasted Romo's talents.

OK, you win...at least I showed you where my train of thought came from. BTW, I gave you the info to be able to access the article for yourself.

 

[windward]

Romo will be in the ROH. It's a slam dunk.

 

[Eric_Boyer]

at this point it's a question of when, not if

 

[KJJ]

The Namath/Sanchez comparison is a poor one if you limit yourself to only looking at career passer rating. While Sanchez has a better career passer rating than Namath, Sanchez does not compare well to his contemporaries with regards to seaonsal passer rating. Sanchez has never finished in the top ten in a single season for passer rating. Namath finished in the top five in passer rating 5 times during his career.

Sanchez career 74.1 passer rating is much lower than the league average of 83.5 over that same time period. Namath put up a career 65.5 rating against a league average 65.4 during his era.

Tony Romo has finished in the top ten 8 times during his career and in the top five 4 times while leading the league in passer rating last season. The only season Romo didn't have a top ten finish was in 2010 when he missed most of the season due to injury. He would have finished around 7th had he been able to qualify for that year.

Sure the league has made it easier on all QBs to produce numbers, but the good to great QBs still out produce the peers of their era. Romo has done that. Romo's career passer rating of 97.6 compares very well against the league average of 82.5 since 2006 when he became the starter. That is 18.3% higher than the league average.

Roger Staubach was 26.9% better than league average.

Danny White was13.2% better than league average.

Don Meredith was 12.7% better than league average.

Troy Aikman was 8.5% better than league average.

I love me some Troy, but according to many on this site Aikman played with the better offensive line(I agree until now), better running back(agreed), better #1 wide receiver(good debate), better tight end(I strongly disagree) and better defense(true). I think Romo has done some amazing stuff with less to work with and has represented the proud tradition of Cowboys QBs well. He is RoH worthy and 2 or 3 more great seasons will just solidify his worth.

Some here including one who liked your post has claimed a QB's passer rating correlates to winning more than any other stat. Couldn't disagree with that more and have posted many examples as to why I don't agree. According to some on the site Romo is the greatest QB in Cowboys history due to his franchise passing records. Romo is ROH worthy in the eyes of Cowboy FANS who put passer ratings and numbers ahead of playoff success and championships.

 

[KJJ]

See my other reply for link, but you're right, I didn't see where he said he wasted Romo's career, either. Don't know if that's something I heard/read elsewhere, or just imagined it. Wouldn't be the first time I posted something wrong...

It's something you heard from people here and from articles but it never came from Jerry.

 

[Aven8]

Is this a rhetorical question??

 

[rags747]

I would guess there's been at least two dozen threads on this and the answer is no unless he wins multiple championships.

I guess Witten doesn't go either then...

 

[LandryFan]

It's something you heard from people here and from articles but it never came from Jerry.

Like I said, you win. Congrats!

 

[ologan]

Except for Meredith and Perkins every player that's been added to the ROH helped the Cowboys to at least one championship. Every player from the Jerry Jones era that's been added to the ROH contributed to multiple championships. Despite all the Cowboy passing records Romo has can't see him ever being added to the ROH without a championship or two. Both Staubach and Aikman led the Cowboys to multiple championships and championships are the standards Romo will be held to.

Well then, take Don Meredith's name down, if winning championships are the main criteria.

 

[KJJ]

I guess Witten doesn't go either then...

You might want to read my posts on Witten.

 

[percyhoward]

The Namath/Sanchez comparison is a poor one if you limit yourself to only looking at career passer rating. While Sanchez has a better career passer rating than Namath, Sanchez does not compare well to his contemporaries with regards to seaonsal passer rating. Sanchez has never finished in the top ten in a single season for passer rating. Namath finished in the top five in passer rating 5 times during his career.

Sanchez career 74.1 passer rating is much lower than the league average of 83.5 over that same time period. Namath put up a career 65.5 rating against a league average 65.4 during his era.

Tony Romo has finished in the top ten 8 times during his career and in the top five 4 times while leading the league in passer rating last season. The only season Romo didn't have a top ten finish was in 2010 when he missed most of the season due to injury. He would have finished around 7th had he been able to qualify for that year.

Sure the league has made it easier on all QBs to produce numbers, but the good to great QBs still out produce the peers of their era. Romo has done that. Romo's career passer rating of 97.6 compares very well against the league average of 82.5 since 2006 when he became the starter. That is 18.3% higher than the league average.

Roger Staubach was 26.9% better than league average.

Danny White was13.2% better than league average.

Don Meredith was 12.7% better than league average.

Troy Aikman was 8.5% better than league average.

I love me some Troy, but according to many on this site Aikman played with the better offensive line(I agree until now), better running back(agreed), better #1 wide receiver(good debate), better tight end(I strongly disagree) and better defense(true). I think Romo has done some amazing stuff with less to work with and has represented the proud tradition of Cowboys QBs well. He is RoH worthy and 2 or 3 more great seasons will just solidify his worth.

That's how you do it. The only thing I would change is that instead of comparing the players' career ratings with the league averages, I'd compare their rating in their best seasons to the league average. No QB who has ever played is known primarily for what he did in his 8th-best season, so seven seasons seems to me a good cutoff point. You might choose some other number (I've also used five), but the point is not to include what they did in their worst seasons because that isn't a part of what makes great players noteworthy. Here are their average ranks in passer rating over their seven best seasons, adjusted for league size:

Staubach 3rd
Aikman 6th
Romo 6th
Meredith 7th
White 12th