Does T Glenn, T O, Roy Williams really care, have heart? due to OTAs

[Alexander]

Its hilarious to think about Roy losing 15 - 20 pounds from 1 OTA. Wade must be really working them hard in those OTA's.

Miss 1 OTA and all the sudden you're fat, uncommitted, and don't want to win.

Nobody is making that assumption based off of missing this one OTA. That is not a new preconception.

Williams has gone on record since he was drafted as to where football ranks on his own personal list of priorities. And it falls short of the typical God, family, football totem pole that many NFL brass find desireable.

 

[Apollo Creed]

Considering they are cornerstone players up in age, I'd rather their legs be fresh in January when we're making a run at a title - than them having perfect attendance at random activities.

 

[cowboyeric8]

Umm, just wow. This is all crazy talk, you have to be kidding me.

 

[cowboyeric8]

Its hilarious to think about Roy losing 15 - 20 pounds from 1 OTA. Wade must be really working them hard in those OTA's.

Miss 1 OTA and all the sudden you're fat, uncommitted, and don't want to win.

Thats message boards for ya

 

[zeromaster]

First it is about the paycheck; some of these guys have expensive hobbies. This is why fines and suspensions still mean something.

Next it's about peer respect, and the team somewhere in there.

Lastly, it's about what the fans think, and we are far from reasonable.

There have been exceptions; generally you can tell by the player if free agency is never tested, he signs for less, and the agent or NFLPA is grousing that said player is affecting the market for future FAs.

Everything else is pure speculation.

 

[BouncingCheese]

I think this is much ado about nothing; sure, you would like all of your players (especially vets) to be at the OTA and all team activities, but a) we are STACKED in terms of talent and b) only the vets are missing, and pretty much the most important cogs are missing. Glenn, TO, and Ferguson are going to need this rest IMO, they are running on the desire to win and are on their last steps at the high levels they are playing at... I say give them the rest. If they are not ready to play then we move on.

I will start to get concerned if the younger guys and not as important players start to follow suit, however. I know that is really subjective and walking the line but so be it.

 

[iceberg]

I think this is much ado about nothing; sure, you would like all of your players (especially vets) to be at the OTA and all team activities, but a) we are STACKED in terms of talent and b) only the vets are missing, and pretty much the most important cogs are missing. Glenn, TO, and Ferguson are going to need this rest IMO, they are running on the desire to win and are on their last steps at the high levels they are playing at... I say give them the rest. If they are not ready to play then we move on.

I will start to get concerned if the younger guys and not as important players start to follow suit, however. I know that is really subjective and walking the line but so be it.

i'll have to go along with joker-cheese here.

if you want it mandatory, call it mandatory. if optional, quit getting all upset that people don't "get it".

i think this effects us as fans a lot more than it does the team. we whine and complain and have silly debates whether "optional" is "optional" or not.

oh well, at least it's not a vick thread.

 

[TEK2000]

Nobody is making that assumption based off of missing this one OTA. That is not a new preconception.

Williams has gone on record since he was drafted as to where football ranks on his own personal list of priorities. And it falls short of the typical God, family, football totem pole that many NFL brass find desireable.

I'd like to see the exact quote you got that from. What all did he list exactly?

cowboyjoe's whole complaint is about Roy's weight and missing 1 OTA. That's where that reference comes from. As if he had went to the OTA it would make a difference in his weight.

 

[BouncingCheese]

i'll have to go along with joker-cheese here.

if you want it mandatory, call it mandatory. if optional, quit getting all upset that people don't "get it".

i think this effects us as fans a lot more than it does the team. we whine and complain and have silly debates whether "optional" is "optional" or not.

oh well, at least it's not a vick thread.

:laugh2: Interesting spin on my name, that hilarious.

Good points all.

My only point of contention is if the other guys start to skip out on flimsly reasons and we start another Dave Campo situation all over again.

 

[Doomsday101]

Well I would think a job that pays as well as Pro Football would rank fairly high on players priority list. I guess not.

 

[Cochese]

Allen Iverson has always been an idiot.

Indeed. Maybe if that ***clown practiced more he would have won a championship by now. Just what we need, quotes from a proven loser to try to prop up our players.

 

[Alexander]

I'd like to see the exact quote you got that from. What all did he list exactly?

He has stated in several interviews exactly how he feels about how football ranks. I don't have them available, but later when I have the time, I will try to see if I can find them. He did state before he was drafted that he only wanted to play around five years, get in and get out. He also has dropped other hints in other interviews about how in the offseason he wishes all he could do is not leave the house. He's not a football maniac. It is something he is not ashamed to admit.

cowboyjoe's whole complaint is about Roy's weight and missing 1 OTA. That's where that reference comes from. As if he had went to the OTA it would make a difference in his weight.

And of course, that's silly. But overall, if he misses more his conditioning has to be affected.

But let's be completely honest here, you have not doubted his commitment to getting in shape before?

He keeps his weight where it is and has been because it allows him to take the pounding because that's his style of play. You don't hear about him morphing his body like the linebackers have and you probably won't because the coaches took that responsibility away from him. Not one time in the last several seasons has he ever made any sort of comment indicating his commitment to change his regimen from what I have seen. He looks just about the same. And given the fact that he was being placed into obviously more of a coverage role, did he do much to try to slim down? Ever hear him comment about how he studies more to compensate for his additional coverage responsibilities the last few years? No. But you certainly hear him get agitated and claim the gaffes were someone else's fault a good deal.

Yes, it's a deduction and one I feel very comfortable making. Being a cynic, I am not going to give the benefit of the doubt when the predominating evidence suggests that perhaps his work ethic isn't exactly superior. From what I see, he is an amazing athlete who really doesn't have to push himself, nor does he actually appear to want to do so. He coasts. And when you are talented, you can afford to do that and still be quite good.

 

[jazzcat22]

If any one of us misses a day of work. Will the company go out of business?
Relax, it's only June 1st. There is another OTA next week. And a mini camp June 8th through the 10th. Look at it this way. Those reps will be better served with the rookies getting them for experience.

What if TO got hurt on a spint down field during OTA. Then you would be questioning, why was he out there, he don't need the practice......

 

[TEK2000]

Some Cowboys get OK to miss OTAs

[SIZE=-1]11:08 PM CDT on Thursday, May 31, 2007[/SIZE]

[SIZE=-1]By CALVIN WATKINS / The Dallas Morning News [/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]cwatkins@***BANNED-URL*** [/SIZE]Over the last two weeks, several Cowboys players have gotten the OK from coach Wade Phillips to miss some of the team's voluntary organized team activities.
It's a sharp contrast to when Bill Parcells was coach and few players missed an OTA.
Several players have missed the OTAs, according to multiple sources.
Defensive end Marcus Spears is expected to miss today's OTA to attend the funeral of New England Patriots defensive lineman Marquise Hill, who was his roommate at LSU.
Starting wide receivers Terrell Owens and Terry Glenn have not participated in this week's OTAs.
Starting running back Julius Jones, Pro Bowl strong safety Roy Williams, veteran cornerback Aaron Glenn, nose guard Jason Ferguson and outside linebacker DeMarcus Ware also have missed some time.
Ware missed an OTA because of a family matter.
"On the OTA, the thing we have stressed is communication," Phillips said Thursday. "We'd like for the guys to be here for as many of the workouts as they can, but if they are not able to make it, we want them to let us know in advance. To a man, that policy has been followed."
Under Parcells, the Cowboys had four OTAs and one mandatory minicamp. Parcells preferred to hold off on most of the on-field work until training camp in July. Compared to Parcells' off-season plan, the regimen being used by Phillips is more demanding because there is more on-field work. With Phillips, the Cowboys have two minicamps and 12 OTAs. There are four OTAs and one minicamp remaining in the team portion of the off-season workouts before training camp in late July.
Phillips has said he would like players to attend the entire off-season program, but under terms of the collective bargaining agreement, there is only one mandatory minicamp, which the Cowboys had earlier this month.
Before the first minicamp, Jones had missed the entire off-season program, but he had his agent clear it with Phillips. Jones was working out in Arizona.
"We've have some players miss, but overall our attendance has been outstanding," Phillips said. "When you're talking about more than 90 percent participating, you have to be pleased."
Quarterback Tony Romo hasn't missed any OTAs.
He was a judge at the Miss Universe pageant in Mexico City on Monday night but made it back to Valley Ranch in time for Tuesday's OTA.
Without Owens and Glenn, No. 3 receiver Patrick Crayton, Sam Hurd and Miles Austin are receiving more reps in practice.
"When a veteran player is not here at this time of the year, I view it as an opportunity for a younger guy to get some very valuable reps," Phillips said.
Phillips has stressed to his coaching staff that he doesn't want to wear down players who are in their 30s, such as Owens, Glenn and Ferguson.
At the recent minicamp, Phillips said he thought his team was in good shape physically.
The team continues its OTAs next week and has its final minicamp June 8-10.

Parcells: 1 minicamp and 4 OTA's
Phillips: 2 minicamps and 12 OTA's

 

[Doomsday101]

If any one of us misses a day of work. Will the company go out of business?
Relax, it's only June 1st. There is another OTA next week. And a mini camp June 8th through the 10th. Look at it this way. Those reps will be better served with the rookies getting them for experience.

What if TO got hurt on a spint down field during OTA. Then you would be questioning, why was he out there, he don't need the practice......

Sorry I still think if the staff did not feel there was something to gain from these workouts they would not bother to have them. I understand that guys will miss such as Spears attending the funeral of a former teammate and of course other things can pop up that are important. A player missing 1 or 2 no big deal but when I see a guy like Jones who has not attended the vast majority of them because he would rather workout in Arz sorry I think he should be there and I feel that every player should make a true effort to attend any workout session that they can.

 

[Cochese]

Parcells: 1 minicamp and 4 OTA's
Phillips: 2 minicamps and 12 OTA's

Hmmm...maybe Wade thinks this group of players needs to work harder if they ever want to win a playoff game.

 

[jazzcat22]

Sorry I still think if the staff did not feel there was something to gain from these workouts they would not bother to have them. I understand that guys will miss such as Spears attending the funeral of a former teammate and of course other things can pop up that are important. A player missing 1 or 2 no big deal but when I see a guy like Jones who has not attended the vast majority of them because he would rather workout in Arz sorry I think he should be there and I feel that every player should make a true effort to attend any workout session that they can.

Oh, I agree with you. Just saying a few misses here and there will not hurt the veterens. Let the rookies, 2nd & 3rd year guys take most the reps. Jones missing though, yes that is bothersome. He could come in for those and return to AZ.

 

[Doomsday101]

Hmmm...maybe Wade thinks this group of players needs to work harder if they ever want to win a playoff game.

Maybe that is what some of us fans are wanting that as well. When was the last time this franchise won a playoff game 1997? I think some of us would like to see a little dedication. Some around here make it sound as if we are trying to impose on the player life and in reality we just want to see players giving their best effort so that maybe we can watch this franchise get back to the top.

 

[Doomsday101]

Oh, I agree with you. Just saying a few misses here and there will not hurt the veterens. Let the rookies, 2nd & 3rd year guys take most the reps. Jones missing though, yes that is bothersome. He could come in for those and return to AZ.

As I said I can understand guys missing because of something he has to attend as in the case of Spears heck this is a guy who needs to put in as much work as possible given his lack of performance since becoming a member of this team but I do understand the need of attending a close friends funeral. I just feel that if at all possible a player should make every effort to be here when the team has team workouts.

 

[sacase]

The biggest thing here is the players give valid reasons for not being there prior to not showing up. It's not as if they wake up and say, hey I don't feel like going to OTA's. People say they want to see dedication. so I have to ask do you show the same dedication to your job that you ask the players to?