Does Ware Have One Good Year Left In Him?

[JoeyBoy718]

Watch out, he'll put you on his ignore list if you disagree with him.

 

[noshame]

It depends on where you think the team is, if you're a contender, you keep him, if not reap the picks. I'd like to see reapage.

 

[Future]

Again with the "he doesn't have moves" nonsense.

I don't remember if it was you or who else it was that I was debating this with before.

he got a ton of sacks by getting the outside shoulder with a quick first step and then having the strength and athleticism to drop his shoulder and get under the tackle. Other than the occasional bull rush, he has never really done anything else with consistent success.

 

[Miller]

Just to clarify, no one said in another thread that Ware was bad for 2 years so we needed Floyd. The point was Dline was a priority last draft because of the Dlines age, new defense and need for depth. Misinformation to make points us dangerous

With that said I think he has another top year in him. Though I think he wears down late in seasons. I also think he disappears in games. So I think you could still get something for him but not much. To stay a Boy a pay cut is needed

 

[TrailBlazer]

Meh, of all the overpaid contracts Ware has the one that bothers me the least. Im aware that players dont ger paid for being good in the past and he has declined... To what level though? If anyone is taking the team to the cleaners Id perfer it be Demarcus. I love what Austin has done for Dallas in the past and still think he could play a important role, but damn... His contract is a complete abomination.

Im really wondering what the Dline is going to look like next year. I doubt Ware is leaving, but Spencer, Hatcher???

We could actually save more money by ware taking a paycut rather than out right releasing him. Roughly 10 mil. That's the most preferable scenario in my mind. Then we could use those savings to patch other holes through draft/FA. We can fix this dline this offseason if they do it right. But then, as par for the course, more problems will arise.

 

[TTexasTT]

It depends on where you think the team is, if you're a contender, you keep him, if not reap the picks. I'd like to see reapage.

what kind of picks do you honestly think Dallas would "reap" from a Ware trade?


LOL Did someone just compare the Walker trade to anything close that would be gained from a Ware trade?

 

[BigStar]

Second half of last year he was pretty non-existent, injuries or no.

The difference between Ware and those other guys is that they all have moves he doesn't. Through his career, he's always been dependent on speed and athleticism on the edge to get sacks. He's never even developed an inside move. If he has lost a step, eh won't be able to compensate for it like those other guys by being a savvy rusher.

I agree with this but feel Ware's inside move has become non existent due to injury/lack of strength. He did have the spin move/bull rush capability even a couple of years ago. He is just being paid way too much to hope for that rejuvenation considering all the missing pieces on D. To answer the original OP, 8-10 sacks @ 5mil reduced would be ideal. Move on next year if possible while building up the youth/talent, etc.

It would also continue the ugly trend of letting go a year too late rather than a year too early (Rat, Spence, RW, RW, Rivera, MIA, etc.)

 

[VirusX]

Second half of last year he was pretty non-existent, injuries or no.

The difference between Ware and those other guys is that they all have moves he doesn't. Through his career, he's always been dependent on speed and athleticism on the edge to get sacks. He's never even developed an inside move. If he has lost a step, eh won't be able to compensate for it like those other guys by being a savvy rusher.

Yep, same exact moves. Wont always work. We need a veteran pass rusher to compliment him and teach him. Pretty sure that will be addressed in the offseason.

 

[Future]

I agree with this but feel Ware's inside move has become non existent due to injury/lack of strength. He did have the spin move/bull rush capability even a couple of years ago. He is just being paid way too much to hope for that rejuvenation considering all the missing pieces on D. To answer the original OP, 8-10 sacks @ 5mil reduced would be ideal. Move on next year if possible while building up the youth/talent, etc.

I don't remember that spin move ever being a real threat. Occasionally he could use his speed to get tackles off balance and bounce inside for pressures, but I always thought it was a widely accepted criticism that he never really had an inside move. Not that Freeney was a better player necessarily, but he developed the spin move to go with all of his speed on the edge that made him a complete nightmare.

 

[SDCowboy]

I don't think so. IMO, he's well past his expiration date.

 

[AbeBeta]

I don't remember if it was you or who else it was that I was debating this with before.

he got a ton of sacks by getting the outside shoulder with a quick first step and then having the strength and athleticism to drop his shoulder and get under the tackle. Other than the occasional bull rush, he has never really done anything else with consistent success.

That's more moves than 95% of the DEs in this league.

 

[locked&loaded]

Double digit sacks over the next two to three years if healthy. to those who say differently, better get used to the taste of crow

 

[BigStar]

I don't remember that spin move ever being a real threat. Occasionally he could use his speed to get tackles off balance and bounce inside for pressures, but I always thought it was a widely accepted criticism that he never really had an inside move. Not that Freeney was a better player necessarily, but he developed the spin move to go with all of his speed on the edge that made him a complete nightmare.

You are correct in that it was more of the fake out go in method more so than a bull n scrap (though on occasion). Good call.

 

[Bullflop]

DeMarcus has been playing through injuries for far too many years now. It's finally caught up with him. His durability has finally gotten to the point where it practically non-existent. You can cut his salary to the bone and it still wouldn't likely render him able to last long enough to do this team much good. I'd like nothing better than to be able to say otherwise but it's gotten to the point where he just doesn't appear able to get to the QB any more. Anytime an aging player loses his best attribute, he's usually finished. I'm afraid that's now the case with Ware.

 

[casmith07]

Robert Mathis went from 8 to 19.5 sacks in his age 32 season. Never had more than 11 his whole career. Heck, Phillips and Abraham both the best season they had in years. Bruce Smith had 14 sacks when he was 34.
Do any of you guys think its out of the realm of possibility for him to have some sort of a rejuvenating year next year?

What type of numbers you think he will put up next year.

(Yes, in a Cowboy uniform)

I think he's got more than one good year left. He will get 15+ sacks next year.

 

[Future]

That's more moves than 95% of the DEs in this league.

Yea, and it worked for a long time, he was the best in the league at what he did. But without an arsenal of moves, which I don't think he has, when he loses a bit of athleticism because of injuries or age, which I think he has, the chances of getting 12 sacks or something like that decrease quite a bit.

 

[TTexasTT]

I think he's got more than one good year left. He will get 15+ sacks next year.

I tend to agree. Im aware that no two players are alike and they play different systems but if Mathis can get 20 sacks I have no doubt that Ware can have back to back 15 sack seasons.

 

[Future]

You are correct in that it was more of the fake out go in method more so than a bull n scrap (though on occasion). Good call.

I guess you could say that's a move in its own right, but its still predicated on speed to the edge.

 

[Zimmy Lives]

At this point what would be a "good" year for Demarcus Ware? 12 Sacks? 10? 15?

Ten sacks would be a great year, IMO.

 

[Texas_Pete]

If he stays healthy, he'll average at least 12 sacks over the next 3 seasons.

That's just it Theo - he hasn't been able to stay healthy. Whether it was his elbow or a neck stinger, his health has held him back from being effective.

Broaddus was the latest to suggest that he take a paycut and I cannot say I disagree with him:

If the Jones were to go to Ware and ask him to take his salary from $12.75 to $5.5 million, he is still in line with what players such as Michael Bennett and Cliff Avril are making in Seattle and what they got on the open market last year. By putting the ball in Ware’s court, he also has to understand that he would not be the only defensive end on the market if he decides against the deal and forces the club to release him. There is a good chance that we also see Julius Peppers who is due $18 million this season and $20 million the next. Both Michael Bennett and John Abraham could also be on the market because they both only signed a one year deals. The decision that Ware would have to make is that with his injury history and age, would a team gamble on him and his health for a big ticket? I don’t believe so.

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The above scenario makes sense. If JJ does approach Ware to take a paycut and be balks, the 'boys should cut him and sign 28-year old Michael Bennett from Seattle who 4 years younger than Ware is.