HeavyHitta31;1513748 said:
I believe I'm in the "There are far bigger issues in the world right now than dog fighting" crowd
People need to get over it
You can’t compare dog fighting to the rest of the world’s problems, and then dismiss it so easily. Just because genocide is worse than dog fighting and it is happening somewhere in some small foreign country does not by any stretch of the imagination mean that we should simply ignore this dog fighting issue. Child molestation is a reprehensible crime, and many people would be up in arms if it turned out Ron Mexico was involved in that. Would your argument be the same? Should we ignore something as bad as molestation simply because genocide is worse? Which crimes do warrant our attention? While I admit that there is a vast difference between molestation and dog fighting, the feelings such illegal acts invoke are very similar, repulsion, disgust, rage, etc. It may not be a big deal to any one person, but this society as a whole determined that dog fighting is inhumane and that people who participate in it are criminals. It also raises larger issues to consider. It certainly brings the character of M.Vick into question. It isn’t that hard of a leap to believe that someone who condones a bloodlust sport such as dog fighting wouldn’t have much of a problem crossing over into other areas of illegal activity.
FuzzyLumpkins;1513551 said:
i was wrong about the blunt force trauma to cows there are three primary methods.
1) a steel rod is shot to the back of the animals head. bullets are much too expensive. it often takes more than one shot to kill the animal.
2) an electric current induses a seizure at which they slit the animals throat
3) the kosher method which involves slitting the throat and hanging the animal by the hindquarters.
I have spent a considerable amount of time in IBP’s meat packing plants. I can tell you that the plants that I visited used a steel rod which was shot into the back of the cows head causing instant death. It was a humane and practical method of killing the cow. The do slit the throat and hang the cow by the hindquarters AFTER the cow is dead to drain the blood from the body while they prepare it for butchering. I won’t go into any more detail, but the big meat packers do use a humane method of killing the animals. They use to use sledgehammers and brute force trauma, but it was not effective and it was found to be inhumane.
Most of the local meat processing companies do indeed shoot the animal. I have seen many cows killed for meat in this manner and have not seen them shoot it more than once.
FuzzyLumpkins;1513551 said:
i understand the need for animal testing but it is still not nice to inject a baboon with anthrax or hiv.
The devastation caused by HIV or Anthrax isn’t nice either. I don’t think we can put animals on the same level as human beings. I am not saying that we need to use inhumane testing methods, but animal testing is a necessary procedure that benefits all of mankind.
Jon