Dolphins have released Zach Thomas

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Yeagermeister;1955698 said:
I don't think he played that game. :confused:

Thomas did play against Dallas and got hurt in that game. He then missed the following two games, came back for three games and then missed the rest of the season.

Leadership does not mean too much if the guy can't be on the field. He just is not healthy any more. It is not about whether Akin is good or just a guy. If you are going to replace Akin, then the replacement needs to be on the field playing. If he provides fire and intensity all the better, but that stuff won't matter if he isn't playing.
 

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hendog;1955997 said:
Me too but how long is our window open?
The window is open as long as Romo is productive, we continue to draft good players, and we have a coach who can maximize their talent. Basically, as Romo goes, as the Dallas Cowboys go.

superpunk;1956003 said:
I've heard all about who our off-the-field leaders are for the LB corp. Then, I watched him ***** about his standing with the organization less than 24 hours after the team lost another playoff game. Not quite impressed that this current group of LBs looks up to a whiny player who's been trying to get off this team for three years, now.
Not really caring about another ***** session about Ellis. Ellis won't be here in two years.

Thomas is a guy who can really show these guys how to work, study, and prepare - and he's got the skins on the wall to set that example, unlike our current estrogen-riddled veteran "leader".

I don't give a flying **** if I "see" it or not. You can see by the results on the field that it's not getting it done.
And what has Thomas done to make you think that his "passion, leadership, blah, blah" can put this team over the top? Seriously, it was so impressive in Miami to watch.

You seem to be under the impression that acquiring Thomas would represent some plan for the future. He doesn't. He provides a service we need.
You assume too much. My point is clear. All the passion in the world won't get him on the field if he's fighting concussions.

Bellichick has been acquiring players to fill specific roles for years now, and has built a defense that can be had a little bit, but rises to the occasion at the urging of a smart, clutch group of LBs. We can do that, and not have it represent a move away from a youth movement and planning for the future.
I don't think signing Thomas represents a movement away from youth. I just think it would be a dumb signing. Aging player, who ended the year on IR with a head injury. One bad hit and he's sitting on the sideline. Let him be somebody else's problem.

junk;1956008 said:
And they haven't proven the ability to do so.

Maybe improvements will come by subtraction. You can't tell me that when the team has insecure "leaders" like Greg Ellis it doesn't translate directly on to the field of play when the chips are down. I think the December/playoff performance of the Cowboys is a pretty clear indicator of that. Combine that with a coach whose intensity is questionable and you get a playoff collapse.
As I mentioned earlier, I'm totally discounting Ellis as a leader, primarily because I believe his role on this team is being phased out. He was not a captain last year. I think people need to let this team grow. It's like people don't understand this team has to learn how to win in this league.

Doesn't have to be a "rah rah" guy. Darren Woodson wasn't that type of player. Neither was Charles Haley. Just someone that will hold their teammates accountable and has historically show they know how to win in this league.
If you've read enough posts on this board, many on here absolutely want the rah rah guy. They want demonstrative, on-field passion and leadership. If you don't see it, then how else do you know whether a guy has passion or leadership if there's no on-field display?

Most people discussing this are looking for guys that can provide that vet leadership and still contribute at a high level. Starter to replace Akin, nickel corner, nickel/dime safety, etc.
Then they need to present a guy not coming off IR....not just someone who's aging, but has a big name.
 

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I don't think the Cowboys lack passion I think we make too many stupid mistakes that hurt us. I have no problem getting some great player who is also a rah rah guy but in the end this game is still about going out and producing not who has the best cheerleaders.
 

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Forget it guys, he's not coming here. Snyder just saw the 97 overall rating on Madden and figures they can slot him next to Fletcher (95 overall rated) to form the best linebacker squad in the NFL.
 

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WoodysGirl;1956039 said:
Not really caring about another ***** session about Ellis. Ellis won't be here in two years.
His ***** session already occurred. This is the guy providing the leadership you suggested was already present on the team.

A guy who was angling for a ticket out of town 18 hours after his team lost in the playoffs.

And what has Thomas done to make you think that his "passion, leadership, blah, blah" can put this team over the top? Seriously, it was so impressive in Miami to watch.

I can only assume you didn't see much of Miami. I can't blame anyone, because not many of their games were in HD the past two years, but when Thomas played, he still had it. His recognition was still there, and he was still getting it done.

He'd be a valuable addition to our nickel defense, and our base defense in passing situations. It's foolish to think he could be a starter. But he could come here, fill a role, and provide a much needed change in leadership from nancy-pants Ellis.
 

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superpunk;1956063 said:
His ***** session already occurred. This is the guy providing the leadership you suggested was already present on the team.

A guy who was angling for a ticket out of town 18 hours after his team lost in the playoffs.



I can only assume you didn't see much of Miami. I can't blame anyone, because not many of their games were in HD the past two years, but when Thomas played, he still had it. His recognition was still there, and he was still getting it done.

He'd be a valuable addition to our nickel defense, and our base defense in passing situations. It's foolish to think he could be a starter. But he could come here, fill a role, and provide a much needed change in leadership from nancy-pants Ellis.

Thank you and good night.
 

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No, no, no, no and again no. There is no reason, good, or added effect that having an over the hill, injury prone, concussion case ILB will bring to this team.

Thomas was a great player, for a long time, and 3 years ago this would be a pickup to seriously consider. But now he's well past his prime and the dude is quite honestly one bad hit away from having his brain shut down entirely.

No.
 

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superpunk;1956063 said:
His ***** session already occurred. This is the guy providing the leadership you suggested was already present on the team.

A guy who was angling for a ticket out of town 18 hours after his team lost in the playoffs.
I never even mentioned Ellis' name. So again you assume too much about who I think are leaders on this squad.


I can only assume you didn't see much of Miami. I can't blame anyone, because not many of their games were in HD the past two years, but when Thomas played, he still had it. His recognition was still there, and he was still getting it done.
I've seen plenty of Zach Thomas over the years. I've also seen enough in the past couple of years that I think what the production the team could get out of Zach is already being produced on the field by the current players who are not aging and didn't end the season on IR after having multiple head injuries.

He'd be a valuable addition to our nickel defense, and our base defense in passing situations. It's foolish to think he could be a starter. But he could come here, fill a role, and provide a much needed change in leadership from nancy-pants Ellis.
This on-field role you're suggesting he could have is already being filled by a younger, cheaper, and healthier player. And if you don't like the current options, then draft another guy.

Again, all the passion and leadership in the world doesn't mean much if you can't get on the field.
 

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BraveHeartFan;1956077 said:
No, no, no, no and again no. There is no reason, good, or added effect that having an over the hill, injury prone, concussion case ILB will bring to this team.

Thomas was a great player, for a long time, and 3 years ago this would be a pickup to seriously consider. But now he's well past his prime and the dude is quite honestly one bad hit away from having his brain shut down entirely.

No.

so Parcells *wink* *wink* *batted eye* has legitimate reasons for cutting players?

amazing
 

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Bob Sacamano;1956083 said:
some people just forget that Parcells does have legitimate reasons for cutting players

Because he is running the team instead of Ireland and Sparano. :laugh2:
 

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BraveHeartFan;1956077 said:
No, no, no, no and again no. There is no reason, good, or added effect that having an over the hill, injury prone, concussion case ILB will bring to this team.

Thomas was a great player, for a long time, and 3 years ago this would be a pickup to seriously consider. But now he's well past his prime and the dude is quite honestly one bad hit away from having his brain shut down entirely.

No.

I agree with you. Maybe not Thomas but someone with his fire and intensity and knowledge and leadership. They just can't be all young guys with no experience. You have to have the right mix. On defense we don't have that enforcer that hold's everyone accountable. Too many choirboys not enough bad assses.
 

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hendog;1956088 said:
I agree with you. Maybe not Thomas but someone with his fire and intensity and knowledge and leadership. They just can't be all young guys with no experience. You have to have the right mix. On defense we don't have that enforcer that hold's everyone accountable. Too many choirboys not enough bad assses.

Your right Ware is no bad ***. :rolleyes:
 

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Bob Sacamano;1956083 said:
so Parcells *wink* *wink* *batted eye* has legitimate reasons for cutting players?

amazing

Yeah, Parcells is looking for someone 265 who can fight with offensive guards and can't cover anyone!

:laugh2:
 

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hendog;1956088 said:
I agree with you. Maybe not Thomas but someone with his fire and intensity and knowledge and leadership. They just can't be all young guys with no experience. You have to have the right mix. On defense we don't have that enforcer that hold's everyone accountable. Too many choirboys not enough bad assses.


Now the idea of some fiery vet leadership, I'm not against. Provided the leader in question can actually get on the field, get it done, and not potentially die the first time he takes a hit to the head.
 

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You don't get it, WG, so I'll leave it.

Try being less vague so I don't have to assume so much. FWIW, I'm not assuming that the LBs look to Ellis as a leader - they've said as much. When your position leader is a player that has made a career out of packing his bags before December and angling to leave the team all offseason, it would be foolish to expect anything more from the players who look up to that joke.

It's also pretty foolish to expect a change in that area to manifest itself out of nowhere, despite quite a few poor showings to the contrary. Not everything can be washed away with "13-3" and "we've got this guy on the roster". There's noone on the roster who could even come close to giving us what a Zach Thomas-type player could give us.
 

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stasheroo;1956092 said:
Yeah, Parcells is looking for someone 265 who can fight with offensive guards and can't cover anyone!

:laugh2:

at least they'll play 3 downs:eek:
 
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