Dorance Armstrong

[Undefeated]

I bet you hated the Bullit Bob Hayes pick because all he was is fast because Hayes was a track guy?....John Ross got hurt .I'm sure he will take the cover off of a defense if healthy. You think Armstrong can cover Ross in the open field???

Speed for a receiver is definitely something you look at, but it shouldn't be everything, for DE's a 4.87 shouldn't stop you from taking the player in the 4th. And hopefully we will never count on Armstrong covering Ross...

 

[waldoputty]

Kentavius Smith(6'-2",280 lbs) DT NC State ran also 4.87 forty and did 28 reps. You wanted a 4.8 DE and Smith can play the run.Also he can play his original position of DT also. Armstrong was a bad pick and I am just tired over the years wasting draft picks on guys who have flaws. Number #1 for me is lack of speed,#2 is size,and #3 lack of character.... Armstrong has no upside IMO. What you see is what you get. He won't get much bigger or faster and that just won't cut it in my book....

if you did a minimal amount of checking, you will see.
street had 9 sacks in 50 games.
armstrong had 10 sacks in just 2016 before defensive system change in 2017
street just had serious acl tear before draft.
while street is larger, armstrong is slightly bigger than dlaw.
so street could be a lde if he recovers ok, while armstrong could be a rde.
who in their right mind would draft street before armstrong.

 

[Undefeated]

Have you done anything besides Google his 40 time and look up his 2017 stats

 

[xwalker]

Have you done anything besides Google his 40 time and look up his 2017 stats

If you find his mock draft threads, he ranked all players based a measurables.

Teams could do away with scouts and just draft based on Sparq scores...

 

[Toruk_Makto]

Dorance is the type of player you gamble on in the 4th. Doesn't always work. But of course it doesn't. It's the 4th freaking round.

 

[JW82]

This may end up being our best pick.

 

[BAT]

Not in the trenches. In the box It's a game of quickness, power and length. This kid has the tools.

Armstrong certainly has length. Although Josh Sweat & Ade Aruna are both longer. So is Kylie Fitts. All those guys are also faster, much more explosive. Armstrong has decent power. Mata'afa is more powerful as well as more explosive, faster although not as long. Fitts is much more powerful, much faster and so much more quicker (3 cone and shuttle are crazy good).

Every single guy mentioned (Sweat, Aruna, Fitts (even injury shortened season) and Mata'afa) had a considerably better 2017 than Armstrong. Armstrong's 2016 is comparable to Mata'afa's 2017 but Mata'afa's career stats are better in a tougher conference (PAC 12 vs. Big 12).

 

[timb2]

This may end up being our best pick.

If he is our best pick,then we definitely blew the draft. Armstrong is the weakest pick that the Cowboys took.

 

[timb2]

Dorance is the type of player you gamble on in the 4th. Doesn't always work. But of course it doesn't. It's the 4th freaking round.

I do not want to waste picks anymore on gambles.The Cowboys have been burnt too many times in the past. Just look at the laundry list of flops the Cowboys have picked in the past that I posted earlier in this topic. If we are going beat the crap out of the rest of the NFC East and having to shut up Roger Goodell and crooked refs,we need to be perfect. Armstrong to me is the last DE off the roster depth chart if he makes the team IMO. If a DE hits the waiver wire from another team I think Armstrong is toast.

 

[JW82]

If he is our best pick,then we definitely blew the draft. Armstrong is the weakest pick that the Cowboys took.

$20 says he is getting the bulk of the snaps at right end by mid week 7. Barring Gregory rises from the ashes and takes the spot.

 

[waldoputty]

Armstrong certainly has length. Although Josh Sweat & Ade Aruna are both longer. So is Kylie Fitts. All those guys are also faster, much more explosive. Armstrong has decent power. Mata'afa is more powerful as well as more explosive, faster although not as long. Fitts is much more powerful, much faster and so much more quicker (3 cone and shuttle are crazy good).

Every single guy mentioned (Sweat, Aruna, Fitts (even injury shortened season) and Mata'afa) had a considerably better 2017 than Armstrong. Armstrong's 2016 is comparable to Mata'afa's 2017 but Mata'afa's career stats are better in a tougher conference (PAC 12 vs. Big 12).

mata'afa gets his numbers as a dt and many do not think he can be a de. that is probably why he went undrafted. a college player whose game probably will not translate.

sweat had other issues that i do not remember.

 

[timb2]

$20 says he is getting the bulk of the snaps at right end by mid week 7. Barring Gregory rises from the ashes and takes the spot.

I don't want to take your money. If he starts week 7 because of injury you will say that you won. I don't think Armstrong should make the roster,but Cowboys organization sound like they will screw over and cut either Tapper or Gregory to save face that Armstrong will not be a bust.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

I do not want to waste picks anymore on gambles.The Cowboys have been burnt too many times in the past. Just look at the laundry list of flops the Cowboys have picked in the past that I posted earlier in this topic. If we are going beat the crap out of the rest of the NFC East and having to shut up Roger Goodell and crooked refs,we need to be perfect. Armstrong to me is the last DE off the roster depth chart if he makes the team IMO. If a DE hits the waiver wire from another team I think Armstrong is toast.

It's the 4th freaking round. In the NFL draft you're gambling in round 1. So what do you think Round 4 tells us?

 

[waldoputty]

I don't want to take your money. If he starts week 7 because of injury you will say that you won. I don't think Armstrong should make the roster,but Cowboys organization sound like they will screw over and cut either Tapper or Gregory to save face that Armstrong will not be a bust.

good grief.
here are the statistics for more than a decade of success probability (multi year starter) of draft picks at each round. you need to draft 3 dl in the 4th round to get a decent chance of getting a starter.

1st Round - OL (83%) LB (70%) TE (67%) DB (64%) QB (63%) WR (58%) RB (58%) DL (58%)
2nd Round - OL (70%) LB (55%) TE (50%) WR (49%) DB (46%) QB (27%) DL (26%) RB (25%)
3rd Round - OL (40%) TE (39%) LB (34%) DL (27%) WR (25%) DB (24%) QB (17%) RB (16%)
4th Round - DL (37%) TE (33%) OL (29%) LB (16%) WR(12%) DB (11%) RB (11%) QB (8%)
5th Round - TE (32%) DB (17%) WR (16%) OL (16%) DL (13%) RB (9%) LB (4%) QB (0%)
6th Round - TE (26%) OL (16%) DL (13%) WR (9%) DB (8%) RB (6%) LB (5%) QB (0%)
7th Round - DB (11%) OL (9%) QB (6%) WR (5%) DL (3%) LB (2%) RB (0%) TE (0%)

https://www.arrowheadpride.com/2015...e-statistics-tell-us-about-the-draft-by-round

 

[BAT]

mata'afa gets his numbers as a dt and many do not think he can be a de. that is probably why he went undrafted. a college player whose game probably will not translate.

sweat had other issues that i do not remember.

Sweat had a huge injury his senior year in HS. He's played all 3 years in college, but only recently looks fully recovered. Plus he's a linear player, explosive and long as all get out, but needs more strength and more consistency with his bend.

Hercules is simply a playmaker. He got his sacks and TFL from all over the line. Even dropped back off the line. He's Teddy Bruschi, best case scenario. Worst case scenario, he's a 3rd down pass rush specialist. His get off (burst off the snap) is one of the best I have seen. And he's very strong for a guy only 255. Playing inside at that weight shows me he's also durable.

And Minny thinks Hercules will be an effective pass rusher off the EDGE. And if Minny knows one thing, it's defense, especially pass rushers.

We still have a chance of stealing Mata'afa if he does not make their final roster or if they try to sneak him to their PS. Cowboys use Seattle and Minnesota as their farm system for fringe players, for good reason. Dallas has also had good luck with KC too.

 

[waldoputty]

Sweat had a huge injury his senior year in HS. He's played all 3 years in college, but only recently looks fully recovered. Plus he's a linear player, explosive and long as all get out, but needs more strength and more consistency with his bend.

Hercules is simply a playmaker. He got his sacks and TFL from all over the line. Even dropped back off the line. He's Teddy Bruschi, best case scenario. Worst case scenario, he's a 3rd down pass rush specialist. His get off (burst off the snap) is one of the best I have seen. And he's very strong for a guy only 255. Playing inside at that weight shows me he's also durable.

And Minny thinks Hercules will be an effective pass rusher off the EDGE. And if Minny knows one thing, it's defense, especially pass rushers.

We still have a chance of stealing Mata'afa if he does not make their final roster or if they try to sneak him to their PS. Cowboys use Seattle and Minnesota as their farm system for fringe players, for good reason. Dallas has also had good luck with KC too.

cowboys could have drafted sweat with the 4th comp pick, but again chose not to.
cowboys and no one else saw enough in mata'afa to draft him, nevermind in the 4th

 

[BAT]

cowboys could have drafted sweat with the 4th comp pick, but again chose not to.
cowboys and no one else saw enough in mata'afa to draft him, nevermind in the 4th

Never advocated drafting Mata'afa in the 4th. As for Cowboys passing up Sweat (or Kylie Fitts) for Armstrong, well I hope that I am wrong and they took the right player. Cowboys have not had the best of luck drafting pass rushers.

Minny, Philly, KC, Seattle, Los Angeles (Chargers & Rams), Denver, NO, etc. have all better records/success in this area of late.

 

[JW82]

I don't want to take your money. If he starts week 7 because of injury you will say that you won. I don't think Armstrong should make the roster,but Cowboys organization sound like they will screw over and cut either Tapper or Gregory to save face that Armstrong will not be a bust.

Lol. Ok.

 

[T-RO]

Armstrong certainly has length. Although Josh Sweat & Ade Aruna are both longer. So is Kylie Fitts. All those guys are also faster, much more explosive. Armstrong has decent power. Mata'afa is more powerful as well as more explosive, faster although not as long. Fitts is much more powerful, much faster and so much more quicker (3 cone and shuttle are crazy good).

Every single guy mentioned (Sweat, Aruna, Fitts (even injury shortened season) and Mata'afa) had a considerably better 2017 than Armstrong. Armstrong's 2016 is comparable to Mata'afa's 2017 but Mata'afa's career stats are better in a tougher conference (PAC 12 vs. Big 12).

Those other players weren't getting double and triple teamed every down. Armstrong was the *only* good defender on his team.

 

[BAT]

Those other players weren't getting double and triple teamed every down. Armstrong was the *only* good defender on his team.

Not so sure how you could double or triple team one player every down. Especially in a 3-4 when OL have to guess which rusher is coming or dropping into coverage.