Drama brewing in Dez World

[ActualCowboysFan]

In April?

Did you see how he responded to distractions last year? My only wish is that Florio would have brought the made up video crap during the playoffs because angry Dez is unstoppable.

 

[xwalker]

Please tell me when a private legal dispute between two other companies has distracted a player in the past.



A marketing company "turned him against" a rival marketing company -- that's business. It's not like a gang leader is turning him against his family and pastor.



I'm confused. How is changing marketing firms in any way comparable to alcoholism, and what did Dez do here that was in any way stupid? Nobody is even alleging that he did anything wrong -- the dispute is between one marketing company and another marketing company.

I don't know if you are being intentionally naive or if you really don't understand the history of issues surrounding Dez and how people like David Wells helped him stay out of trouble.

People around the Cowboys refer to David Wells as The Wolf, which is a reference to Harvey Keitel's character in Pulp Ficton.

Others just refer to him as The Cleaner: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleaner_(crime)

Dez has done a ton of stupid things, but only a fraction has leaked to the media. The Cowboys had to advance him money at one point to keep him out of trouble for not paying for 600K of Jewelry that he bought and didn't have the money to pay for. The number of times the police were called to his residence in a 2 year period of time was way more than a normal person would experience in a lifetime. It is a big list of problems.

Maybe he has grown past those issues, but it's like an alcoholic losing his sponsor. It increases the risk of repeating past mistakes.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I don't know if you are being intentionally naive or if you really don't understand the history of issues surrounding Dez and how people like David Wells helped him stay out of trouble.

People around the Cowboys refer to David Wells as The Wolf, which is a reference to Harvey Keitel's character in Pulp Ficton.

Others just refer to him as The Cleaner: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleaner_(crime)

Dez has done a ton of stupid things, but only a fraction has leaked to the media. The Cowboys had to advance him money at one point to keep him out of trouble for not paying for 600K of Jewelry that he bought and didn't have the money to pay for. The number of times the police were called to his residence in a 2 year period of time was way more than a normal person would experience in a lifetime. It is a big list of problems.

Maybe he has grown past those issues, but it's like an alcoholic losing his sponsor. It increases the risk of repeating past mistakes.

I'm not naive and we live in the mobile phone world. Last time I checked the cities bars, night clubs and stripper lounges all are open to the public. He lived down the street from Wells. The incidents at the mall and Walmart have come to light. Had he been being a menace to society traveling with a posse and pointing guns at people or the like then we would know like Keith Davis trolling the highways. If he is doing something in his own home then who the hell are we to invade his privacy frankly?

If he had a drug problem he would have failed a drug test at some point. I personally have thought that considering his childhood and mother he might be anti-cocaine and heroin and the like. I've never seen any signs of drug use and I know what to look for. The only things we would not know about would be things that went on in the house. Even then Wells who lived less than a mile away was monitoring the house and going straight to the press about it just a few months ago. That was the story that came out at the end of the season. omg Dez had ten people over!

Dez had a curfew. If he is having company then I bet you 'unnamed source' starts reporting him out after curfew just like everything else that gets reported on the most scrutinized player in the NFL.

Wells does that a fair bit too. Wells confirmed and likely leaked the nature of the supervision that he was administering. That must have been humiliating to Dez. Wells then detailed how he and West were pow-wowing to finalize new terms only to put it all on Dez again. He is the one reporting to the Cowboys and the press. He and West up until recently had power of attorney over Dez's affairs including his money. They were co directors of Dez's corporation. You do understand what that means regarding cashflow?

Wells was also the one that spoke about the jewelry. Dez made over $1.5m a year from base salaries alone and his contract schedule is public and included an additional $400k to $2.5m bonuses in the years he was under their thumb. He is signed with Nike and who knows what else endorsements. He very well could have paid a whole lot more and creditors would line up if he wasn't liquid. West and Wells had just as much of a say and they also could pair up and countermand any decision Dez made through the board. If Dez was being obstinate the board could still vote to pay those people anyway. By their very role in the company, they are complicit.

It's funny. Anonymous sources say that they are 'concerned' about Dez having ten people over to the house near Well's home. Anonymous sources say they have details of an event at a Walmart soon after. The only people who are known to have been there are Dez and one of Well's three man security team who was always with Dez when he went somewhere. Now Wells is going to JJT telling Dez through the press that he will not comply with the cease and desist order nor turn over company documents and will only release him from his contract if he is paid. I don't think Dez is the problem here. I think someone gets paid very well and is important if Dez has problems though.

Pretty much throughout this process, all Dez has said is that he has done nothing wrong and is tired of the betrayals. I agree that he has done an exemplary job being a professional even now through this. Now David Wells can try it.

 

[Bluestang]

Ah yes, the customary post where Dez is the innocent in all this and Wells out to get him.

I guess we are about to find out how much Dez has learned to be an adult.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Ah yes, the customary post where Dez is the innocent in all this and Wells out to get him.

I guess we are about to find out how much Dez has learned to be an adult.

Ahh yes the summary offhand thoughtless dismissal of an almost entirely factual account.

 

[Bluestang]

Ahh yes the summary offhand thoughtless dismissal of an almost entirely factual account.

Factual? Could you you post the facts where Wells is the one behind the leaks?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Factual? Could you you post the facts where Wells is the one behind the leaks?

He confirmed the restrictions and business arrangements. He spoke on behalf of Dez regarding the jewelry. He is the one that contacted the press most recently. He made comments in December when there were concerns about 10 people omg! He has been speaking on behalf or about Dez publicly for the past 4+ years and just got a cease and desist order.

I also don't see a lot of people talking about Wells. In fact I seem the only one in the last week. You can get off your cross.

 

[Bluestang]

He confirmed the restrictions and business arrangements. He spoke on behalf of Dez regarding the jewelry. He is the one that contacted the press most recently. He made comments in December when there were concerns about 10 people omg! He has been speaking on behalf or about Dez publicly for the past 4+ years and just got a cease and desist order.

I also don't see a lot of people talking about Wells. In fact I seem the only one in the last week. You can get off your cross.

Wells has spent far more time and resources helping Dez stay out of trouble, get to practices on time, and overall just helping him out those first few years he was in the NFL.

Without some form of help, Dez wouldn't be playing football and that's the cold hard truth. Maybe after all these years Dez is ready to be out on his own, but that really has to scare the Cowboys to death considering everything that has been made public and what hasn't.

I can see why Wells might feel slighted after all these years when he helped a young man stay out of trouble and now is being told to stop on the advice of a new managment agency.

Who's been there longer RN or Wells? And what interests does RN has?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Wells has spent far more time and resources helping Dez stay out of trouble, get to practices on time, and overall just helping him out those first few years he was in the NFL.

Without some form of help, Dez wouldn't be playing football and that's the cold hard truth. Maybe after all these years Dez is ready to be out on his own, but that really has to scare the Cowboys to death considering everything that has been made public and what hasn't.

I can see why Wells might feel slighted after all these years when he helped a young man stay out of trouble and now is being told to stop on the advice of a new managment agency.

Who's been there longer RN or Wells? And what interests does RN has?

He wants to get paid and said as much. I can quote it if you like. It's in the JJT piece. Dez has said that he would like to be able to come to him for advice as well.

I wouldn't want West or Wells running my finances either. Would you?

 

[Bluestang]

He wants to get paid and said as much. I can quote it if you like. It's in the JJT piece. Dez has said that he would like to be able to come to him for advice as well.

I wouldn't want West or Wells running my finances either. Would you?

Of course he does, but so does Roc Nation. But who knows what RN promised Dez when he signed with them?

Those 2 are probably better than someone like Drew Rosenhaus.

Again we will see how Dez can do it on his own, if that's what he trying to do. But it will be an entirely different issue if Dez gets into a problem and Wells is the first one he calls.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Of course he does, but so does Roc Nation. But who knows what RN promised Dez when he signed with them?

Those 2 are probably better than someone like Drew Rosenhaus.

Again we will see how Dez can do it on his own, if that's what he trying to do. But it will be an entirely different issue if Dez gets into a problem and Wells is the first one he calls.

Better for the club. Wells job is Cowboys security. He should do his job if any Cowboy calls him. That doesn't make him entitled to anything. He is tarnishing the luster of his supposed nobility by negotiating through JJT for more money.

 

[NextGenBoys]

Roc Nation seems to be a cancer to Dez Bryant. Nothing good is coming from them. Nothing

 

[xwalker]

I'm not naive and we live in the mobile phone world. Last time I checked the cities bars, night clubs and stripper lounges all are open to the public. He lived down the street from Wells. The incidents at the mall and Walmart have come to light. Had he been being a menace to society traveling with a posse and pointing guns at people or the like then we would know like Keith Davis trolling the highways. If he is doing something in his own home then who the hell are we to invade his privacy frankly?

If he had a drug problem he would have failed a drug test at some point. I personally have thought that considering his childhood and mother he might be anti-cocaine and heroin and the like. I've never seen any signs of drug use and I know what to look for. The only things we would not know about would be things that went on in the house. Even then Wells who lived less than a mile away was monitoring the house and going straight to the press about it just a few months ago. That was the story that came out at the end of the season. omg Dez had ten people over!

Dez had a curfew. If he is having company then I bet you 'unnamed source' starts reporting him out after curfew just like everything else that gets reported on the most scrutinized player in the NFL.

Wells does that a fair bit too. Wells confirmed and likely leaked the nature of the supervision that he was administering. That must have been humiliating to Dez. Wells then detailed how he and West were pow-wowing to finalize new terms only to put it all on Dez again. He is the one reporting to the Cowboys and the press. He and West up until recently had power of attorney over Dez's affairs including his money. They were co directors of Dez's corporation. You do understand what that means regarding cashflow?

Wells was also the one that spoke about the jewelry. Dez made over $1.5m a year from base salaries alone and his contract schedule is public and included an additional $400k to $2.5m bonuses in the years he was under their thumb. He is signed with Nike and who knows what else endorsements. He very well could have paid a whole lot more and creditors would line up if he wasn't liquid. West and Wells had just as much of a say and they also could pair up and countermand any decision Dez made through the board. If Dez was being obstinate the board could still vote to pay those people anyway. By their very role in the company, they are complicit.

It's funny. Anonymous sources say that they are 'concerned' about Dez having ten people over to the house near Well's home. Anonymous sources say they have details of an event at a Walmart soon after. The only people who are known to have been there are Dez and one of Well's three man security team who was always with Dez when he went somewhere. Now Wells is going to JJT telling Dez through the press that he will not comply with the cease and desist order nor turn over company documents and will only release him from his contract if he is paid. I don't think Dez is the problem here. I think someone gets paid very well and is important if Dez has problems though.

Pretty much throughout this process, all Dez has said is that he has done nothing wrong and is tired of the betrayals. I agree that he has done an exemplary job being a professional even now through this. Now David Wells can try it.

You probably don't live in DFW if you don't think there have been a lot of shenanigans that they were able to keep quiet. Dez has proven to be a volatile person in front of the cameras. That type of thing is always worse away from cameras.

What he has done is not a big issues to me per se; however, he is a guys with known daemons and he's stayed out of trouble in recent times; therefore, big changes to the people surrounding him has to be a concern. The Cowboys have expressed concerns about his changes. If I were in the Cowboys situation, I might want to wait to see how he handles the changes and Tag which represents a huge raise for him.

 

[jterrell]

I don't know if you are being intentionally naive or if you really don't understand the history of issues surrounding Dez and how people like David Wells helped him stay out of trouble.

People around the Cowboys refer to David Wells as The Wolf, which is a reference to Harvey Keitel's character in Pulp Ficton.

Others just refer to him as The Cleaner: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleaner_(crime)

Dez has done a ton of stupid things, but only a fraction has leaked to the media. The Cowboys had to advance him money at one point to keep him out of trouble for not paying for 600K of Jewelry that he bought and didn't have the money to pay for. The number of times the police were called to his residence in a 2 year period of time was way more than a normal person would experience in a lifetime. It is a big list of problems.

Maybe he has grown past those issues, but it's like an alcoholic losing his sponsor. It increases the risk of repeating past mistakes.

I sort of get this take... but tell me the last time and by that I mean date and name of his last major incident?

The Jewelry incident was his rookie or 2nd season.

The police going to his house thing was proven to be pretty goofy and is rather weak to bring up now.
Those incidents were NEVER proven to involve Dez and there wasn't a single significant one on the entire list.
In fact a couple of them occurred with Dallas playing on the road once the dates were cross-checked and could not have been Dez at all since he wasn't in the city.

The worst thing Dez has been truly connected to is hitting his mom(that he was fully financially supporting and probably still is) with his cap.

That police check stuff was leak crap coming likely from a ticked off Wells.
Wells is not some squeaky clean guy and having a fixer is not a good idea.

Growing up and not needing one is.
The fact all this ancient history stuff has leaked as they part ways tells you all you need to know about Wells and why Dez needs to be rid of him in every way.

Anyone whose watched Dez realizes he is a hothead and prone to get into trouble by acting before he thinks.
But the trouble has never been serious and his work on the field and his actions off have at least seemingly gotten better and better.

He isn't going to pay someone like Wells to babysit in this next contract.
That's what attorneys are for.

Wells didn't come into Dez's life as a fixer. He came in a really rich dude willing to give Dez room and board as he was a year away from the draft.
Perhaps he did all that for no reward but we are taking about a guy who once was an FBI informant in a murder for hire case and who was convicted of tax evasion.
Has he helped folks? Yes. Is he squeaky clean and ignoring his bottom line? Heck no.

 

[jterrell]

You probably don't live in DFW if you don't think there have been a lot of shenanigans that they were able to keep quiet. Dez has proven to be a volatile person in front of the cameras. That type of thing is always worse away from cameras.

What he has done is not a big issues to me per se; however, he is a guys with known daemons and he's stayed out of trouble in recent times; therefore, big changes to the people surrounding him has to be a concern. The Cowboys have expressed concerns about his changes. If I were in the Cowboys situation, I might want to wait to see how he handles the changes and Tag which represents a huge raise for him.

This isn't a major change in lifestyle.
Dez made this decision almost a year ago and his falling out with Wells with a big part of the decision.
His tweets have often been traced to shots at Wells... he felt Wells ran everything back to the Cowboys and was "double-dipping".

 

[jterrell]

Ah yes, the customary post where Dez is the innocent in all this and Wells out to get him.

I guess we are about to find out how much Dez has learned to be an adult.

Dez being innocent has nothing to do with it.
This is Dez choosing his agent as is his right and David Wells leaking personal info as part of a spat over being fired like some jilted girlfriend.
Wells, BTW, is a millionaire, not some dude making 30k a year who needs that money to live.

Wells was fired as a community liason with the DPD and was convicted of tax evasion and forced out of his business.
He is not the kind of guy you want Dez hanging with.

And Dez was living with him as far back as 2009 so a couple years before the worst of Dez's trouvbles.

Wells may have dome some quieting down of things but he didn't change his behavior at the time.

Dez dealing with guys like Novacek and Witten is far better for him as they aren't asking for power of attorney or pay checks.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

You probably don't live in DFW if you don't think there have been a lot of shenanigans that they were able to keep quiet. Dez has proven to be a volatile person in front of the cameras. That type of thing is always worse away from cameras.

What he has done is not a big issues to me per se; however, he is a guys with known daemons and he's stayed out of trouble in recent times; therefore, big changes to the people surrounding him has to be a concern. The Cowboys have expressed concerns about his changes. If I were in the Cowboys situation, I might want to wait to see how he handles the changes and Tag which represents a huge raise for him.

I don't make accusations nor respect them that come without proof. I read all the papers, and have linked substantive articles from the DMN and FWST in these discussions. if you are going by radio and bar gossip then shame on you.

The 'tantrums' stopped looking so bad once we heard what he was actually saying. He was not threatening anyone or calling anyone out.

Frankly you have nothing but that incidence with his Mom several years ago at this point and the charges there were dropped.

 

[NinePointOh]

I don't know if you are being intentionally naive or if you really don't understand the history of issues surrounding Dez and how people like David Wells helped him stay out of trouble.

People around the Cowboys refer to David Wells as The Wolf, which is a reference to Harvey Keitel's character in Pulp Ficton.

Others just refer to him as The Cleaner: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleaner_(crime)

Dez has done a ton of stupid things, but only a fraction has leaked to the media. The Cowboys had to advance him money at one point to keep him out of trouble for not paying for 600K of Jewelry that he bought and didn't have the money to pay for. The number of times the police were called to his residence in a 2 year period of time was way more than a normal person would experience in a lifetime. It is a big list of problems.

Maybe he has grown past those issues, but it's like an alcoholic losing his sponsor. It increases the risk of repeating past mistakes.

I'm aware of all those claims, but what in the world does it have to do with a private legal dispute between Official Brands and Roc Nation? Did you just see the words "Dez" and "drama" in the topic heading and see it as an opportunity to complain about a bunch of old, unrelated stories and rumors?

 

[xwalker]

I'm aware of all those claims, but what in the world does it have to do with a private legal dispute between Official Brands and Roc Nation? Did you just see the words "Dez" and "drama" in the topic heading and see it as an opportunity to complain about a bunch of old, unrelated stories and rumors?

Again, you appear to be intentionally naive. He's involved indirectly in the dispute. Regardless, this specific issue with Official Brands is not the primary issue. The issue is that he is changing the entire structure around him. This structure was basically put in place by the Cowboys and is the structure they would prefer him to maintain.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Again, you appear to be intentionally naive. He's involved indirectly in the dispute. Regardless, this specific issue with Official Brands is not the primary issue. The issue is that he is changing the entire structure around him. This structure was basically put in place by the Cowboys and is the structure they would prefer him to maintain.

Sorry the club said they would like him to still me advised not that they wanted him to be his agent and financial manager.