Drama brewing in Dez World

[NinePointOh]

Again, you appear to be intentionally naive.

I'm sorry, but calling me names is no substitute for actually defending your position.

He's involved indirectly in the dispute.

That's incredibly weak. He's "involved" in that he's the highly sought-after client these two companies are squabbling over, not because he did anything wrong. He switched to a new marketing firm, which happens literally all the time. Are you going to also complain if he buys a new toothpaste or gets a different haircut?

Regardless, this specific issue with Official Brands is not the primary issue. The issue is that he is changing the entire structure around him. This structure was basically put in place by the Cowboys and is the structure they would prefer him to maintain.

The issue with Official Brands is what this thread is about. His decision to change marketing firms happened last year, and we've already known about it for a long time. So why is having changed marketing firms last year such a problematic change that you feel the need to bring it up now -- in a thread that's only "indirectly" related -- and compare him to an alcoholic?

 

[xwalker]

I'm sorry, but calling me names is no substitute for actually defending your position.



That's incredibly weak. He's "involved" in that he's the highly sought-after client these two companies are squabbling over, not because he did anything wrong. He switched to a new marketing firm, which happens literally all the time. Are you going to also complain if he buys a new toothpaste or gets a different haircut?



The issue with Official Brands is what this thread is about. His decision to change marketing firms happened last year, and we've already known about it for a long time. So why is having changed marketing firms last year such a problematic change that you feel the need to bring it up now -- in a thread that's only "indirectly" related -- and compare him to an alcoholic?

It's not name calling. I'm saying that you appear to be doing it intentionally.

He is a guy that has a history of being on the edge of trouble. Changing the entire structure of people that influence him is a big risk.

If you don't understand that I'm not comparing him directly to an alcoholic as in I don't think Dez has a problem with alcohol, then maybe you really are naive. The comparison is the daily struggle that an alcoholic goes though to not drink (i.e. stay on the wagon). Dez appears to have a similar daily struggle to not do something stupid.

The Cowboys put a lot of effort into getting Dez setup with the structure that has been surrounding him. I don't know if you live in DFW, but it's similar what the Rangers did with Josh Hamilton. Once Hamilton went to another team in free agency, he fell apart.

 

[Iron_Man]

Im getting tired of all this . They might franchise him for another year and just let him walk after.

He might walk because of his agent selection. Stay tune...

 

[NinePointOh]

It's not name calling. I'm saying that you appear to be doing it intentionally.

Yes, I'm intentionally asking you to defend your position.

You seem to be taking your own opinion as a given and assuming that anyone who disagrees with you simply hasn't heard the old stories about Dez's past. We know the stories -- the question is what in the world they have to do with this thread.

He is a guy that has a history of being on the edge of trouble. Changing the entire structure of people that influence him is a big risk.

No matter how many times you repeat the same phrase, this is the logical connection your argument fails to make. It's a marketing firm, not a gang. You haven't explained WHY changing marketing firms is such a big risk (beyond simply repeating that it is), or why you're complaining about it a year later in a thread that's only "indirectly" related to that decision.

If you don't understand that I'm not comparing him directly to an alcoholic in I don't think Dez has a problem with alcohol, then maybe you really are naive. The comparison is the daily struggle that an alcoholic goes though to not drink (i.e. stay on the wagon). Dez appears to have a similar daily struggle to not do something stupid.

What? No, of course I wasn't take your alcoholism analogy literally -- but I was taking it seriously. If you think having changed marketing firms last year is "something stupid" on par with something as bad as alcoholism, you should be able to explain why.

The Cowboys put a lot of effort into getting Dez setup with the structure that has been surrounding him. I don't know if you live in DFW, but it's similar what the Rangers did with Josh Hamilton. Once Hamilton went to another team in free agency, he fell apart.

Hamilton was literally addicted to cocaine and alcohol (and had multiple relapses even during his time with the Rangers). You need to justify why you believe Dez's "struggles" are on that level, and what it has to do with this thread, instead of simply repeating the same opinion over and over.

 

[xwalker]

No matter how many times you repeat the same phrase, this is the logical connection your argument fails to make. It's a marketing firm, not a gang. You haven't explained WHY changing marketing firms is such a big risk (beyond simply repeating that it is), or why you're complaining about it a year later in a thread that's only "indirectly" related to that decision.

David Wells is not a marketing firm, he was Dez closest adviser and the guy that helped him when he got into predicaments.

The issue is that Roc Nation is pushing out everyone that has been around Dez during the time frame that he has been stable.

If don't want discuss this issue in this thread because you think it should be in another thread, then quit talking about it. The thread involved Roc Nation which is attempting to be much more than just a marketing firm. They want to be his top advisor/confident/etc..

 

[Nightman]

David Wells is not a marketing firm, he was Dez closest adviser and the guy that helped him when he got into predicaments.

The issue is that Roc Nation is pushing out everyone that has been around Dez during the time frame that he has been stable.

If don't want discuss this issue in this thread because you think it should be in another thread, then quit talking about it. The thread involved Roc Nation which is attempting to be much more than just a marketing firm. They want to be his top advisor/confident/etc..

Dez is an adult. He is allowed to make his own decisions about who he wants to represent him and make money off of his talents. Just because someone did something for you in the past, you don't have to keep that relationship forever.

You keep equating changing business relationships to getting into trouble off the field or some type of self destructive behavior. The only info we have so far is that Dez refused to sign a long term deal with very little guaranteed money. That seems like a reasonable response from a player that considers himself one of the best at his position.

 

[NinePointOh]

David Wells is not a marketing firm, he was Dez closest adviser and the guy that helped him when he got into predicaments.

According to DMN, David Wells had power of attorney privileges for Dez, which gave him control over Dez's bank accounts and legal authority to sign contracts on his behalf. You don't see why any company that wants to handle Dez's contract negotiations and marketing would want that revoked, or why a perfectly reasonable adult might want to have control over his own money?

The issue is that Roc Nation is pushing out everyone that has been around Dez during the time frame that he has been stable.

The reports are that Bryant severed Wells' power of attorney authority and business contract, but that they still speak regularly and Dez even visited his house this week. The details are sparse, but that's what's been reported.

So who, other than Wells, has been pushed out? The only other people Dez has allegedly cut ties with are his former agent and, according to rumors, his old entourage full of bad influences who perpetuated the whole "super awful Dez video" nonsense. I'm not concerned about him pushing those people out. Are you? Aren't those the sort of bad apples he ought to be disassociating himself with?

If don't want discuss this issue in this thread because you think it should be in another thread, then quit talking about it.

On the contrary, I'm happy to talk about it if it's relevant. I'm just asking you to explain what it has to do with Official Brands suing Roc Nation, since you brought it up in my response to my question about why should be concerned about the lawsuit. So did you actually think it was relevant, or did you just think it was a convenient opportunity to complain about something tangentially related?

If your point is just that you're worried Dez won't be able to stay out of trouble unless David Wells has power of attorney privileges, I guess we'll just have to wait and see. I personally think that at some point a grown 27-year-old man should be allowed to make business decisions on his own behalf.

Roc Nation which is attempting to be much more than just a marketing firm. They want to be his top advisor/confident/etc..

Evidence?

Also, so what? Have other Roc Nation athletes gotten into trouble?

 

[jterrell]

David Wells is not a marketing firm, he was Dez closest adviser and the guy that helped him when he got into predicaments.

The issue is that Roc Nation is pushing out everyone that has been around Dez during the time frame that he has been stable.

If don't want discuss this issue in this thread because you think it should be in another thread, then quit talking about it. The thread involved Roc Nation which is attempting to be much more than just a marketing firm. They want to be his top advisor/confident/etc..

That's not true.

Roc Nation wants to be 100% in charge of Dez's financial and marketing. They have not asked Dez to stop speaking to Wells/// he went by his house the other day.
They have asked Wells to stop doing business for Dez and to stop using a power of attorney that has now been revoked twice.

Wells has responded that he will if paid in full through the life of his contract which ends in 2016.

Wells goes straight to the media with this crap and puts a spin on it akin to lipstick on a pig.

JJT quoted Wells 30 years experience as a private investigator... yet Wells has been in trouble for NOT having a license to work as private investigator.

If Dallas wants to pay Wells to be a fixer (for Dez or anyone else) that option is still on the table.
But the reality is the Dallas Cowboys would be smart to sever all ties to Wells before someone investigates Well's business and personal ties to any judges or politicians.
The Cowboys came ot know about Wells as he was a BODYGUARD for Michael Irvin. Brought in upon advise of his attorney, Sen Royce West.
If someone digs they are goign to find real skeletons and the Cowboys could look foolish in the fall out.

As would local media if Wells buttering them up after came out after his skeletons were all revealed.

Brett Shipp or someone in investigative reports locks on this and good night.

 

[xwalker]

According to DMN, David Wells had power of attorney privileges for Dez, which gave him control over Dez's bank accounts and legal authority to sign contracts on his behalf. You don't see why any company that wants to handle Dez's contract negotiations and marketing would want that revoked, or why a perfectly reasonable adult might want to have control over his own money?



The reports are that Bryant severed Wells' power of attorney authority and business contract, but that they still speak regularly and Dez even visited his house this week. The details are sparse, but that's what's been reported.

So who, other than Wells, has been pushed out? The only other people Dez has allegedly cut ties with are his former agent and, according to rumors, his old entourage full of bad influences who perpetuated the whole "super awful Dez video" nonsense. I'm not concerned about him pushing those people out. Are you? Aren't those the sort of bad apples he ought to be disassociating himself with?



On the contrary, I'm happy to talk about it if it's relevant. I'm just asking you to explain what it has to do with Official Brands suing Roc Nation, since you brought it up in my response to my question about why should be concerned about the lawsuit. So did you actually think it was relevant, or did you just think it was a convenient opportunity to complain about something tangentially related?

If your point is just that you're worried Dez won't be able to stay out of trouble unless David Wells has power of attorney privileges, I guess we'll just have to wait and see. I personally think that at some point a grown 27-year-old man should be allowed to make business decisions on his own behalf.



Evidence?

Also, so what? Have other Roc Nation athletes gotten into trouble?

It's obvious that you have no ability to see the big picture.

Dez is a guy that has had problems holding his own personal scene together. With his new relationship with Roc, there are big changes to everything surrounding him. That increases the risk of him having a relapse.

There is no guarantee that it will be a problem, but it does increase the risk. The Cowboys have bent over backwards to help him. As I said before, they even advanced him money when he had some financial problems. Jerry did not want Dez to make these changes and advised him not to do it. If Jerry Jones was giving me advise that in any way regarded money, I would consider taking it.

If you were a poster with some credibility around here I would continue this discussion, but since you don't I have to assume that your just trolling.

 

[xwalker]

Dez is an adult. He is allowed to make his own decisions about who he wants to represent him and make money off of his talents. Just because someone did something for you in the past, you don't have to keep that relationship forever.

You keep equating changing business relationships to getting into trouble off the field or some type of self destructive behavior. The only info we have so far is that Dez refused to sign a long term deal with very little guaranteed money. That seems like a reasonable response from a player that considers himself one of the best at his position.

Jerry advised him not to make these changes. Why go against Jerry when he has bent over backwards to help Dez, even advancing him money when he got into financial trouble.

 

[NinePointOh]

It's obvious that you have no ability to see the big picture.

I understand if you're frustrated that people are disagreeing with you, but attacking me personally is still no substitute for actually justifying your positions.

With his new relationship with Roc, there are big changes to everything surrounding him. That increases the risk of him having a relapse.

How many times are you going to repeat the assertion instead of justifying it? "Everything surrounding him" is not changing. He changed agents, changed marketing companies, revoked Wells' power of attorney and business contract (but apparently did not cut personal ties with him), and disassociated with his former entourage full of troublemakers. But you refuse to explain how those things increase his risk of getting into trouble, beyond simply asserting over and over again that they do.

Jerry did not want Dez to make these changes and advised him not to do it. If Jerry Jones was giving me advise that in any way regarded money, I would consider taking it.

It's your prerogative to forfeit whatever personal rights and freedoms you want to, but if my boss or Jerry Jones or anybody else told me to give up power of attorney and control over my bank account, I'd tell them where to go. And I won't begrudge another full grown adult for doing the same thing.

If you were a poster with some credibility around here I would continue this discussion, but since you don't I have to assume that your just trolling.

I'm not forcing you to have any conversation you don't want to have -- you were the one who responded to me originally -- but generally speaking the troll is the one who makes personal attacks instead of justifying his assertions.

 

[Nightman]

Jerry advised him not to make these changes. Why go against Jerry when he has bent over backwards to help Dez, even advancing him money when he got into financial trouble.

Jerry is his employer, for now. That can also change. Jerry has no rights over Dez' money, agents, friends or associates. If wants to keep insisting on things, that is the quickest way to get Dez to leave.

Dez didn't have many options once drafted. He could sign with Dallas or lose a year and go back into the draft as a malcontent. He has more options now. Dallas can franchise him but they have to pay top dollar for the right. And Dez will still be a free agent soon enough.

 

[xwalker]

Jerry is his employer, for now. That can also change. Jerry has no rights over Dez' money, agents, friends or associates. If wants to keep insisting on things, that is the quickest way to get Dez to leave.

Dez didn't have many options once drafted. He could sign with Dallas or lose a year and go back into the draft as a malcontent. He has more options now. Dallas can franchise him but they have to pay top dollar for the right. And Dez will still be a free agent soon enough.

I guess some of you have the same mindset as Dez. Dez has shown to be young, dumb and immature.

It's obvious that Jerry has had the best interest of the players in mind over the years. He has never been a guy to try to screw over the players and many many of them have stories of Jerry giving them good advice.

Kids have a "right" to not do what their Dad tells them once they are over 18, but they are often dumb-arses for not taking the advice.

 

[BoysFan4ever]

Let me know when all this Dez stuff is over...

 

[xwalker]

I'm not forcing you to have any conversation you don't want to have -- you were the one who responded to me originally -- but generally speaking the troll is the one who makes personal attacks instead of justifying his assertions.

I should have known that with a 30 to 1 post/like ratio what type of poster you were going to be. Your attempt to try and claim that the mildest of criticism is "attacking you" is just proof.

 

[NinePointOh]

I should have known that with a 30 to 1 post/like ratio what type of poster you were going to be. Your attempt to try and claim that the mildest of criticism is "attacking you" is just proof.

Mild or not, the point is that it's no substitute for actually defending your assertions. Yet here you go again, criticizing people ad hominem (over something as inane as likes and post counts, no less) while ignoring every question about the merits of your claims.

p.s. The vast majority of my posts are from several years ago, from the olden days before the boards even had a "Like" function. I've made about 40 posts after 2013. You apparently spent as much time researching your claims about me as you spent justifying your claims about Dez -- none.

 

[Nightman]

I guess some of you have the same mindset as Dez. Dez has shown to be young, dumb and immature.

It's obvious that Jerry has had the best interest of the players in mind over the years. He has never been a guy to try to screw over the players and many many of them have stories of Jerry giving them good advice.

Kids have a "right" to not do what their Dad tells them once they are over 18, but they are often dumb-arses for not taking the advice.

You gotta cut the apron strings at some point. I've seen Dez being interviewed. He obviously has the mental capacities to make grown up decisions. I find it completely demeaning that you think he needs JJones, a man who has made a ton of immature mistakes, to walk him thru life.

 

[jterrell]

I should have known that with a 30 to 1 post/like ratio what type of poster you were going to be. Your attempt to try and claim that the mildest of criticism is "attacking you" is just proof.

In fairness to both of you, while you make a point about what the Cowboys want, there is zero proof Dez is more likely to have issues sans Wells.

Dez has been living for stretches in NY hanging with Jay Z and others of Roc Nation with zero incidents.
Yet every incident you point to as a reason for concern occurred while being affiliated with Wells.

Wells may be a good fixer but he isn't a financial adviser.
When he helped Crabtree out he did all that for free.
But he charged and is charging Dez.

IF the contract with Wells was an agent style deal based upon percent you can imagine why Dez/Roc wouldn't want to sign a new deal with that Wells thing in place.
And you can see why Wells would want to make sure he got paid this year where Dez makes huge money for the first time.

 

[Nightman]

I guess some of you have the same mindset as Dez. Dez has shown to be young, dumb and immature.

It's obvious that Jerry has had the best interest of the players in mind over the years. He has never been a guy to try to screw over the players and many many of them have stories of Jerry giving them good advice.

Kids have a "right" to not do what their Dad tells them once they are over 18, but they are often dumb-arses for not taking the advice.

JJones is not his father.

JJones is not his agent.

JJones will ultimately choose team over player.

JJones is not a very good role model off the field.

Dez is not a "kid". He is a grown man with children of his own.

 

[xwalker]

In fairness to both of you, while you make a point about what the Cowboys want, there is zero proof Dez is more likely to have issues sans Wells.

Dez has been living for stretches in NY hanging with Jay Z and others of Roc Nation with zero incidents.
Yet every incident you point to as a reason for concern occurred while being affiliated with Wells.

Wells may be a good fixer but he isn't a financial adviser.
When he helped Crabtree out he did all that for free.
But he charged and is charging Dez.

IF the contract with Wells was an agent style deal based upon percent you can imagine why Dez/Roc wouldn't want to sign a new deal with that Wells thing in place.
And you can see why Wells would want to make sure he got paid this year where Dez makes huge money for the first time.

The issue is not about David Wells per se.

Dez had a legit agent. He fired that agent and hired the combination of Roc Nation and another agent.

Jerry advised him that the original agent was a good one. None of the well known, legit agents are going to sell their client down the river. That would be bad for future business and it would be a smaller cut for them.

It seems obvious that he fired the original agent because he advised Dez that his contract expectations were unreasonable.

If I was Jerry/Stephen, I would much prefer that Dez use any of the well known, legit agents while they are trying to negotiate a new contract, without the Roc Nation involvement which seems like a distraction to a player that has had his share of issues in his short career.