Dustin Vaughn Future Starter, Backup or waste of a roster spot?

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they say he is from calallen but idk how much of that is tru, its about 5 min drive from where i live and they have GREAT football prgram i think they have won like 20+ division titles in a row

He is from Calallen which focuses alot on football and baseball year round. They're always in local tournaments and they start those kids out at 5&6 years old. They take a lot of pride in these two sport.
 

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It has nothing to do with defending the team. I'm not even sure what connection you're making there. I think you're just making something up.

You say what the team thinks means 'jack squat' to you...that's ignorant. We've got a pretty good pro-scouting department whose job it is to evaluate players like Vaughan and options like him available on PSs and on the open market, so what they do or do not do as far as exposing him to other teams during the season is obviously relevant. It gives you a measure of how they have the player graded, which is about all we've got to go on since we haven't been able to see him on the field.

They elected to keep that QB3 spot filled when they had needs at other positions and dropped multiple other young players off the roster. Even players who had been contributing on game day. That's what we know about him, and that's why I referenced it.

It might be thin soup compared to your impressive 'we need to draft a QB to replace Tony Romo' offering, but I'm somehow ok with that.
Idgit your murdering him, murder I say
 

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I'll play along and act confused by your confusion.

The man asked what you think of Vaughn. Not the obvious of what the team must think. Hey, newsflash...he's on the roster. So the team team must think he's worth being on the roster. But they also thought a plethora of stiffs were worthy of being on the roster too so it doesn't mean anything one way or the other.

Spare me your review of our pro scouting department. It means nothing to me and doesn't pertain to the question asked of what do you think of the player.

Do you have an opinion? Or will you just defer to the team?

Check your manual.

You know me. Always so shy about offering my opinion. What I think hasn't changed since camp: big guy, good feet, can make the throws. Seems to have an even temperament. Has a lot to learn. But then, as I've said already, I assumed Vinnie was asking for more recent information than what we saw in camp with his OP.

What I think since then is that people who know better than I do have stashed him when I would have released him, so he's probably at least somewhere in the top-50 of our roster and not directly on the bubble. There's just not any information on the QB3 available during the season. He's getting practice squad reps and backing up Brandon Weeden. That's it. That's it because there's no new data. Not because of 'go Cowboys,' whatever that argument was supposed to mean.

And, if we're playing games, my initial answer was a much better answer than your 'we need to find a QB after Tony' gem which also said absolutely nothing about anything. Yes, Risen, we will need a QB when Tony Romo is done. We agree: it's too important a position to leave unfilled. An absolutely trenchant observation. After digesting it completely, it makes more sense why you're trying to jump on me for suggesting that I think our pro-scouts like Dustin and think at the very least he's got a chance to unseat Weeden next season.
 

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Idgit your murdering him, murder I say

He's not really making an argument. Just trying to throw mud on mine, so that makes it pretty easy.

Listening to the 30 min vid from Vaughan at his high school in the background here. I wouldn't recommend it, but the last 3-4 minutes have some decent Q&A questions about the team that are sort of amusing. He's a nice guy, anyway. Lots of talk about working hard and going for what you want. True story: he actually agreed with Risen that we're going to need to have a QB after Tony Romo's career is over, so I guess that was pretty shocking.
 

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Maybe he could be the QB of the future, maybe not. These developmental guys you keep around for about three years and then make a wager.

I could see us taking another guy in third day of the draft this year in rounds 4/5. Rakeem Cato is pretty intriguing to me, reminds me a lot of Russell Wilson.

I like Shane Carden on early day three. Accurate, productive guy who threw a LOT in college.
 

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You know me. Always so shy about offering my opinion. What I think hasn't changed since camp: big guy, good feet, can make the throws. Seems to have an even temperament. Has a lot to learn. But then, as I've said already, I assumed Vinnie was asking for more recent information than what we saw in camp with his OP.

What I think since then is that people who know better than I do have stashed him when I would have released him, so he's probably at least somewhere in the top-50 of our roster and not directly on the bubble. There's just not any information on the QB3 available during the season. He's getting practice squad reps and backing up Brandon Weeden. That's it. That's it because there's no new data. Not because of 'go Cowboys,' whatever that argument was supposed to mean.

And, if we're playing games, my initial answer was a much better answer than your 'we need to find a QB after Tony' gem which also said absolutely nothing about anything. Yes, Risen, we will need a QB when Tony Romo is done. We agree: it's too important a position to leave unfilled. An absolutely trenchant observation. After digesting it completely, it makes more sense why you're trying to jump on me for suggesting that I think our pro-scouts like Dustin and think at the very least he's got a chance to unseat Weeden next season.

See, you just can't help yourself.

You know those people who "know better than you do"? They make mistakes all the time with personnel. All teams do. This one more than most. Hence the losing, if you're willing to pull your cranium out of the sand and acknowledge it.

Ya know why our defense sucks historically? Because it's filled with bad players. Ya know why it's filled with bad players? Because those people "who know better than you do" made a multitude of mistakes in personnel over the years that's led to this mess. They had guys on the roster. They must have felt good about them. They know better. Turns out they didn't. These guys suck.

Spare any educated fan of your Joe Fan nonsense. I have a legion of rational fans reading this and nodding their head in agreement. The fact that he's on the roster should literally mean nothing to anyone. And I mean positively or negatively.

My comment about Romo was in terms of doing it now. ASAP. Not wait until he has no throws left in his arm.

And if it's such a no brainer to do as I suggest, it would be the first time your GM, a guy who "knows better than you do" will have acted proactively with the QB position. In fact, his failure to do so was a significant reason why the team took a nose dive.

You don't even know and/or understand your team's (Go Cowboys!) history.

Find Romo's replacement now. Vaughn is an unknown and a lottery ticket. He has no pedigree. Address the situation like he's not even there.
 
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See, you just can't help yourself.

You know those people who "know better than you do"? They make mistakes all the time with personnel. All teams do. This one more than most. Hence the losing, if you're willing to pull your cranium out of the sand and acknowledge it.

Ya know why our defense sucks historically? Because it's filled with bad players. Ya know why it's filled with bad players? Because those people "who know better than you do" made a multitude of mistakes in personnel over the years that's led to this mess. They had guys on the roster. They must have felt good about them. They know better. Turns out they didn't. These guys suck.

Spare any educated fan of your Joe Fan nonsense. I have a legion of rational fans reading this and nodding their head in agreement. The fact that he's on the roster should literally mean nothing to anyone. And I mean positively or negatively.

My comment about Romo was in terms of doing it now. ASAP. Not wait until he has no throws left in his arm.

And if it's such a no brainer to do as I suggest, it would be the first time your GM, a guy who "knows better than you do" will have acted proactively with the QB position. In fact, his failure to do so was a significant reason why the team took a nose dive.

You don't even know and/or understand your team's (Go Cowboys!) history.

Find Romo's replacement now. Vaughn is an unknown and a lottery ticket. He has no pedigree. Address the situation like he's not even there.

Someone can know more than I do, and still not know enough, Risen. Or they can know plenty and there's simply not enough information available to make a good decision. Personnel in the NFL comes down to Parcells old 'Whatever you do is wrong. Time is short. Now, choose' dictum. You've only got so many spaces to carry players in, and some of them aren't going to pan out. It's the nature of the business, but it doesn't mean you're behaving rationally by simply ignoring the information that they have at their disposal. Or that you can't look at what they do or do not do with personnel during a season and get some vague sense of what that information might be.

And you're still missing the actual point. I'm not saying the QB is good because he's still on the roster. All I've said is that all we know about the guy since camp is that the team likes him better than several other rookies they've waived in his place. And that, for a backup QB who's not going to take any snaps this season, that says something about how they have him graded. They might be wrong, but the fact that they have relatively high regard for him as a QB3-level player rather than having low regard for him (and hence they'd likely have cut him when we needed a roster spot for a DL or CB this season), does, in fact, tell you something.

Of course, it only tells you something if you're willing to admit that our pro scouting department has access to data about the player that you do not. The fact that you won't admit that simple, obvious fact is, of course...absurd.

Your clarification about Romo and doing it now is also a gem. Anybody *not* in favor of handicapping Romo with someone with significant potential, please, raise your hands. Anybody? That's what I thought.

Now, all of you who feel that way, go over there and stand in the corner with everybody who *doesn't* think Vaughan is an unknown and that we still ought to be looking for a quality young alternative.

These two groups, Risen, are the people you've managed to enlighten today with your insights. I'm sure they'd all like to thank you if any of them actually existed.
 

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...Ya know why our defense sucks historically? Because it's filled with bad players. Ya know why it's filled with bad players? Because those people "who know better than you do" made a multitude of mistakes in personnel over the years that's led to this mess. They had guys on the roster. They must have felt good about them. They know better. Turns out they didn't. These guys suck.

And the defense has been bad in recent years because it was top-heavy with expensive contracts and extensions we should not have made, and because we drafted poorly under many of the Wade years and did not replenish talent. Then injuries took out some of the expensive players, and we were stuck playing street free agents.
There's no doubt we've made a lot of personnel mistakes. But then, nobody is saying the personnel department is infallible, or that it's even particularly competitive. The only reason the pro scouts came into this topic is because I believe you can get some information about what they think about players from their roster moves in-season. That's the only point, and you're overreacting to it.

Meanwhile, 9-4 with the biggest game of the season approaching. Go Cowboys.
 

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Vaughn played well enough in the preseason to justify a non-contributing QB roster spot.
 

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The standard the team must like him since he's on the roster response. Well done.

Phil Costa was on the roster. Bill Nagy was on the roster. David Arkin was on the roster. Stephen McGee was on the roster. Brandon Weeden is on the roster right now.They must have liked them too. Who cares?

The best way to give a sensible answer is to actually answer the question or just say you don't know. He asked what you think of the player. But since you just blindly defend the team you're not capable of doing that. Hence the stock fan handbook response of "the team must like him, he's on the roster".

I need more data on Vaughn, so I don't know. What the team thinks means jack and squat to me.
Personally I thought he was well composed for a QB so raw. Had a good feel for the rush and didnt cave under pressure. Definitely has an NFL arm but cant read coverage and go through progessions.

I think he will develope into a solid #1 who can start a game here and there and tear a team up if they dont respect his ability to go downfield. But if a team gameplans properly he could be a turnover machine.

I saw alot of Derek Anderson in him when he played
 

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Absolutely. The rationalizing that this could be the second time Dallas hits on an undrafted free agent QB that everyone else was wrong on is pretty much a statistical impossibility.

Not so statistically impossible when you consider that the same team has hit with other undrafted FAs like Austin, Church, and Leary. Personally, I think the Cowboys have been one of the best teams at identifying and developing undrafted FAs lately. I hope we add Patmon to that list.
 

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Not so statistically impossible when you consider that the same team has hit with other undrafted FAs like Austin, Church, and Leary. Personally, I think the Cowboys have been one of the best teams at identifying and developing undrafted FAs lately. I hope we add Patmon to that list.
I dont really count Leary as a scouting gem. Dude would have been a third rounder if not for his knoee
 

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I dont really count Leary as a scouting gem. Dude would have been a third rounder if not for his knoee

I do count him as an undrafted FA who our scouting department identified and our coaching staff developed. Other teams could have had him. Other teams could have plucked him off our practice squad. Other teams weighed the talent vs. the risk and passed. That subtracts nothing from our success.
 

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I do count him as an undrafted FA who our scouting department identified and our coaching staff developed. Other teams could have had him. Other teams could have plucked him off our practice squad. Other teams weighed the talent vs. the risk and passed. That subtracts nothing from our success.
I give more credit to the medical staff then the scouting department. His talent was obvious. The medical staff gave the information that made it less of a risks
 

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Personally I thought he was well composed for a QB so raw. Had a good feel for the rush and didnt cave under pressure. Definitely has an NFL arm but cant read coverage and go through progessions.

I think he will develope into a solid #1 who can start a game here and there and tear a team up if they dont respect his ability to go downfield. But if a team gameplans properly he could be a turnover machine.

I saw alot of Derek Anderson in him when he played

Out of curiosity...you like him better than Austin Davis, if, say, Davis were released by the Rams again?
 

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I was just wondering if he would keep us from drafting Romo's replacement.. Lord knows the defense needs help.
 

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I'm kinda curious what the Ranch thinks about this guy.. I've heard zero about him since training camp. If a guy like Hundley or Petty is available in the 2nd does Jerry say we're set at QB lets get another TE.. We struck free agent gold with Romo is Vaughn being groomed?

QB is incredibly difficult to evaluate. I think the best indicator will be his second preseason.
 
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