Dwayne Jarret's 40 time ...*MERGE*

[Tristan]

For anybody to state what Jarrets ceiling is would be nothing more than conjecture.

Where not talking about a guy who was good, he is freaking phenominal, dominating, Irvinesque. If he had run a faster forty, we would have no chance at him. Yes, even with a sub par fourty we would be extremely fortunate to get him at 22.

If he ran a 4.4 we would be talking about a sure fire top ten guy. When you consider the WR's that have been going in the first round.....

Troy Williamson, Matt Jones, Mark Clayton, Michael Jenkins, Roddy White, Ashlie Lellie, Bryant Johnson, Mike Williams etc.

I would say we're very fortunate to have the possibility to get a guy like Jarrett, he is one of the best WR prospects in years, period.

I just don't see how anybody who as actually really watched this guy play, I mean watched him in most of this years games, could not be salivating at the thought of having him on our team.

I watched most his games last season, and all I remember thinking was man we need to trade up and get this guy!

The Irvin comparisons are valid, why? he attacks the ball like nobody I've seen since Irvin. If that ball is anywhere close to him, he owns it! The way he uses his body is very Irvinesque, he has that same rare blend of grace and strenth and confidence.

And like I stated before, this guy can take quarter of the top of a backboard and leave change.

 

[jay cee]

the USC offense is much more similar to a prostyle set than Ohio States is

David

How so? It looks like USC threw the ball more, but what makes their offense more prostyle than Ohio State?

 

[Big Dakota]

Jarrett's bust possibility is through the roof. The odds of the 6'4" 220 lbs. 4.7 guy not being the next Mike Williams/JJ Stokes/David Terrell/Billy McMullen/Reggie Williams/Rod Gardener/Marquis Walker/Ron Johnson are not good. That's his floor. I don't necessarily mind a boom/bust guy with the first pick as long as you think he's got the cabability of being a special palyer. What's his ceiling? I don't see him topping out as anything more than a #2 Keyshawn Johnson possession WR. That's much reward for that much risk.

I agree. He's the typical WR with TE measurables and a WR's body. Problem is there isn't much call for 1st round WRs with TE skills. If he were a true TE he'd create mismatches against LBs. As a wideout, he'll create no such mismatches and he'll be the one at a disadvantage most of the time. He'll have a place in the NFL as a chain mover/red zone target, but i wouldn't take him at #22. Not enough upside to be that franchise WR. Heck, Greg Olsen has much better upside.

 

[peplaw06]

Jarrett's bust possibility is through the roof. The odds of the 6'4" 220 lbs. 4.7 guy not being the next Mike Williams/JJ Stokes/David Terrell/Billy McMullen/Reggie Williams/Rod Gardener/Marquis Walker/Ron Johnson are not good. That's his floor. I don't necessarily mind a boom/bust guy with the first pick as long as you think he's got the cabability of being a special palyer. What's his ceiling? I don't see him topping out as anything more than a #2 Keyshawn Johnson possession WR. That's much reward for that much risk.

What are the odds of him not being the next Mike Williams/JJ Stokes/David Terrell/etc.? So you have money on that? Haven't seen the Vegas lines on that, so if you could enlighten, then please...

 

[The30YardSlant]

Still want him, though the ideal situation would be take Nelson at 22, hope Jarrett falls into the second, then trade up and take him early in the 2nd round

 

[THUMPER]

Forget workout numbers. This is all you need to know:

2004 - 55 receptions, 849 yards, 15.4 Avg, 13 TD
2005 - 91 receptions, 1274 yards, 14.0 Avg, 16 TD
2006 - 70 receptions, 1015 yards, 14.5 Avg, 12 TD​

compared to Ted Ginn:

2004 - 25 receptions, 359 yards, 14.4 Avg, 2 TD
2005 - 51 receptions, 803 yards, 15.7 Avg, 4 TD
2006 - 59 receptions, 781 yards, 13.2 Avg, 9 TD​

Right on the money!

 

[jobberone]

I agree. He's the typical WR with TE measurables and a WR's body. Problem is there isn't much call for 1st round WRs with TE skills. If he were a true TE he'd create mismatches against LBs. As a wideout, he'll create no such mismatches and he'll be the one at a disadvantage most of the time. He'll have a place in the NFL as a chain mover/red zone target, but i wouldn't take him at #22. Not enough upside to be that franchise WR. Heck, Greg Olsen has much better upside.

One of the better posts putting Jarrett's problems on paper.

 

[Bizwah]

Jarrett's bust possibility is through the roof. The odds of the 6'4" 220 lbs. 4.7 guy not being the next Mike Williams/JJ Stokes/David Terrell/Billy McMullen/Reggie Williams/Rod Gardener/Marquis Walker/Ron Johnson are not good. That's his floor. I don't necessarily mind a boom/bust guy with the first pick as long as you think he's got the cabability of being a special palyer. What's his ceiling? I don't see him topping out as anything more than a #2 Keyshawn Johnson possession WR. That's much reward for that much risk.

I can live with this arguement. Wish I'd seen it earlier.

Valid points.

You do want a guy that has a high ceiling...no doubt about it. And you have good arguements as to why you worry about his "ceiling" Your philosophy is well stated.

My philosophy is, your first round pick needs to produce. Taking a guy like Ginn may pay off....and pay off big. But there's a bigger risk of him being a Troy Williamson or Stepfret Williams that Jarrett being a Mike Williams IMO.

A guy can lose speed....they usually don't shrink.

 

[RealCowboyfan]

I still hope we take him ....

I hope that we get him too. I don't really care about this overrated combine stuff just what he does on the field.

I would love to have Dwayne Jarrett. He'll give us that physical presence that Michael Irvin gave us. Don't know if he would do the same thing as Michael Irvin it would be far fetch to say he would but I feel he's going to be a damn good football player with the right surrounding.

And the difference between Dwayne Jarrett and Mike Williams is, Williams took a year off, I believe that was a impact to his career, he would've been a better receiver if he would've just played another year without taking one off.

 

[peplaw06]

I agree. He's the typical WR with TE measurables and a WR's body. Problem is there isn't much call for 1st round WRs with TE skills. If he were a true TE he'd create mismatches against LBs. As a wideout, he'll create no such mismatches and he'll be the one at a disadvantage most of the time. He'll have a place in the NFL as a chain mover/red zone target, but i wouldn't take him at #22. Not enough upside to be that franchise WR. Heck, Greg Olsen has much better upside.

So you don't think he has ANY advantage over CBs?? Seems to me the only DISADVANTAGE you have is his speed. He has good hands, body control, and is not afraid to go oer the middle.

 

[BlueStar22]

Don't get so gung-ho about college stats either...

A lot of wide-outs put up big numbers in Andre Ware and David Klingler run offenses too.

but, but, but, he was playing against a Texas secondary where most of them are or will be playing on Sunday and he dominated. 40 times are so overrated. Jerrry Rice ran a 4.6 and turned out to be the greatest receiver ever.

 

[Big Dakota]

So you don't think he has ANY advantage over CBs?? Seems to me the only DISADVANTAGE you have is his speed. He has good hands, body control, and is not afraid to go oer the middle.

Oh i think he's a nice prospect, but all most are saying(that don't want him at 22) is his upside is more limited than others. His advantage over 19-20 year old kids, as opposed to grown men in the NFL will certainly drop. Some of the key concerns of scouts (besides his lack of speed and quickness) are his ability to beat the jam, questions as to weather he can handle a lot of assignments which limits him on the field, he can be a bit flippant and lackadaisical, struggles againt the press, and he's not great off the smap.


All in all, he's slow, lacks quickness, has an attitude some question, has assignment limitations and upside because of these reasons.

On the good side he has nice size, good hands and has been porductive and he creates some red zone mismatches(.

Put it all together and i see a possession WR. He's no Mike Irvin i can tell you that. He's more of(on his best day) an Art Monk type. And that's fine. He could have 12,000 yards 10 years from now, who knows? It's just my personal opinion that his downside his higher than his upside and he could end up being very average because of his measurables and his attitude. I don't think he's junk, and if i were picking anywhere between #30-#40 i'd grab him, but if there are guys like Bowe and Meachem available, or good CBs id take one of them.


Mark my words, he's goona drop and i will be here after the draft

 

[jobberone]

So you don't think he has ANY advantage over CBs?? Seems to me the only DISADVANTAGE you have is his speed. He has good hands, body control, and is not afraid to go oer the middle.

He's not quick. Look at his ten yds times, cones, yada.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

someone said Larry Fitz didn't run at the Combine, he did, he ran a 4.63 40

his Pro-Day 40 was 4.5

JFYI

 

[Beast_from_East]

I think this drops him out of the first round. Dallas won't take him at 22.


According to the GBN report

March 28
(5:00 PM): Jarrett records average time… USC WR Dwayne Jarrett ran his 40s in 4.67 and 4.62 seconds, the short shuttle in 4.20 and the three-cone drill in 7.28. He also had a 36½-inch vertical and a 10-foot-1 broad jump. Jarrett weighed in at 214 lbs. so that 40 time would have to be considered rather average. Those comparisons to former Trojan and current Lions WR Mike Williams will continue to haunt Jarrett as he might have some trouble separating from pro corners. His production doesn't lie though and a team looking for a big possession receiver who can find the endzone will find Jarrett tough to overlook ... Cincinnati CB John Bowie blazed to 40 times of 4.37 and 4.39 at his Pro Day workout. That should grab some team's attention. His teammate, TE Brent Celek, ran a top 40 of 4.79 at 255 lbs. Celek has special teamer written all over him ... Wyoming S John Wendling had a great workout. At 222 lbs, Wendling ran both of his 40s in 4.48 seconds. He also had a 36½-inch vertical jump and a 10-foot-4 broad jump. Those numbers are sure to impress. Teammate Chase Johnson, a huge 6-8 328 lb. OT, ran a 5.41 40 and did 14 reps on the bench ... 25 NFL teams were represented at South Carolina's Pro Day, with all eyes looking straight at WR Sidney Rice's workout. Scouts said the conditions were ideal but Rice's agent didn't seem to think so and told Rice not to run. He did do the position drills but not running those 40s is sure not to impress the NFL honchos.

Forget about Jarret as 22 guys, not gonna happen now. I really doubt Jarret even goes in the first with pedestrian times like these......wow, he looked alot faster at USC.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

but, but, but, he was playing against a Texas secondary where most of them are or will be playing on Sunday and he dominated. 40 times are so overrated. Jerrry Rice ran a 4.6 and turned out to be the greatest receiver ever.

I'm going to ban the next person that compares Jerry Rice to every Tom, Dick or Harry Slow Receiver that comes out in the draft...

I'd like to anyway.

 

[Zen]

I really liked watching Jarrett play, but watching him run he looked slow and chunky, kinda of weird. Maybe he smelled really bad in college games and nobody wanted to cover him.

 

[Doomsday101]

I'm going to ban the next person that compares Jerry Rice to every Tom, Dick or Harry Slow Receiver that comes out in the draft...

I'd like to anyway.

I would like to ban every guy who thinks speed is the be all at WR. No doubt it is important to have a guy with some outside speed at 1 of the WR spots but is it just as important to have a guy who can run great routs and go up and make the big catches which is something Jarrett has shown.

 

[RealCowboyfan]

Let's remember people, Michael Irvin use to bully defensive backs.

 

[zrinkill]

Let's remember people, Michael Irvin use to bully defensive backs.

Thats because defensive backs got away with alot more than they do nowadays ........ Mike would thrive under the new rules.