Dwayne Jarret's 40 time ...*MERGE*

[MichaelWinicki]

I would like to ban every guy who thinks speed is the be all at WR. No doubt it is important to have a guy with some outside speed at 1 of the WR spots but is it just as important to have a guy who can run great routs and go up and make the big catches which is something Jarrett has shown.

Those are all important attributes of a #2 receiver Dooms-- not a #1. And if I'm spending a 1st round draft pick on a WR I want speed to be part of the package.

 

[Doomsday101]

Those are all important attributes of a #2 receiver Dooms-- not a #1. And if I'm spending a 1st round draft pick on a WR I want speed to be part of the package.

Irvin was a #1 and did not have great speed, Rice was a #1 and did not have great speed and there is a list of others. Being a #1 WR has nothing to do with Speed. In actuality the #1 #2 and #3 are no different than what many teams refer as X, Y and Z WR it has more to do with where you lining up than being the 1st option, 2nd option or 3rd option in a rout.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Irvin was a #1 and did not have great speed, Rice was a #1 and did not have great speed and there is a list of others. Being a #1 WR has nothing to do with Speed. In actuality the #1 #2 and #3 are no different than what many teams refer as X, Y and Z WR it has more to do with where you lining up than being the 1st option, 2nd option or 3rd option in a rout.

Irvin was faster than this guy.

I'm betting Rice was too.

Just as someone else pointed out -- when you look at all of Jarret's numbers-- the dude is s-l-o-w.

2nd round? Yeah I'd be down with that but not at #22. I want someone that can separate.

 

[Doomsday101]

Irvin was faster than this guy.

I'm betting Rice was too.

Just as someone else pointed out -- when you look at all of Jarret's numbers-- the dude is s-l-o-w.

2nd round? Yeah I'd be down with that but not at #22. I want someone that can separate.

He has posted different 40's I have seen times of 4.55 and yes the 4.6 believe it or not if you run the 40 10 times your not going to run the same time each time. I agree speed is not Jarrett game but as a big WR he has great ability of going up and making the big catches and that is why he will go in the 1st rd of this draft.

 

[Chuck 54]

Definitely slower than Irvin and Rice, but also 3 inches taller than either of those guys.

Hypothetically, (and he's not the athlete Johnson is, but still)....Hypothetically, given Calvin Johnson's leaping, hands, power, etc, if he had run a 4.6 with the same college production and skill set, would that speed alone take him from a top 5 pick to 2nd round?

Maybe...I'm not really sure.

Jarrett may drop out of round 1, but I find it quite funny that the consensus nationwide was that he was the superstar WR at USC, one of the top picks in the draft at his position, and that Steve Smith was going to be a 2nd or 3rd rounder, a nice WR with very good hands.

However, Steve Smith runs a better than expected 40 and is now expected to go in round 1. Jarrett runs a 4.6 and is supposed to drop out of the first round???

Speed IS important, but can that 40 time really be that important? We all know that some guys without track training run faster in their pads during the game...yadda yadda yadda.

I see no way Jarrett drops to round 2....you can bet your butt one of the top playoff teams will be thrilled to see him there in the 26-32 range.

Speed is a critical element to a football player who is productive on the field, but it's a mistake to let measured speed lower a player's value too much when he's been a star on the field or to let speed raise a player's value too much when he's been pedestrian on the field.

His 40 time will cost Jarrett some money...he won't jump up into the top 15...he may slide to the end of round 1, but it's not a huge career maker/breaker to a player of his proportions and skill set.

 

[peplaw06]

Definitely slower than Irvin and Rice, but also 3 inches taller than either of those guys.

Hypothetically, (and he's not the athlete Johnson is, but still)....Hypothetically, given Calvin Johnson's leaping, hands, power, etc, if he had run a 4.6 with the same college production and skill set, would that speed alone take him from a top 5 pick to 2nd round?

Maybe...I'm not really sure.

Jarrett may drop out of round 1, but I find it quite funny that the consensus nationwide was that he was the superstar WR at USC, one of the top picks in the draft at his position, and that Steve Smith was going to be a 2nd or 3rd rounder, a nice WR with very good hands.

However, Steve Smith runs a better than expected 40 and is now expected to go in round 1. Jarrett runs a 4.6 and is supposed to drop out of the first round???

Speed IS important, but can that 40 time really be that important? We all know that some guys without track training run faster in their pads during the game...yadda yadda yadda.

I see no way Jarrett drops to round 2....you can bet your butt one of the top playoff teams will be thrilled to see him there in the 26-32 range.

Speed is a critical element to a football player who is productive on the field, but it's a mistake to let measured speed lower a player's value too much when he's been a star on the field or to let speed raise a player's value too much when he's been pedestrian on the field.

His 40 time will cost Jarrett some money...he won't jump up into the top 15...he may slide to the end of round 1, but it's not a huge career maker/breaker to a player of his proportions and skill set.

Agree wholeheartedly... At the end of the season I was thinking there was no way a guy like Jarrett would be there at #22. No way.

But wouldn't you know it, questions about his 40 time arise and now people believe he may fall out of Round 1 altogether.

It's so funny to me how fast people forget the football season in the offseason. He was tearing up Michigan in the Rose Bowl less than 3 months ago. Then he doesn't run at the combine, and runs an average 40 time and all everyone wants to talk about is that. All I'm saying is watching the guy play on Saturdays, he was assured a Top 15 pick. A 40 time doesn't change that for me.

 

[Tobal]

It's not just his 40 speed, from reports he is not quick either. You here it being said that Smith is fast, runs great routes and is quick out of his cuts. That tells me he is going to get some seperation.

Jarret is going to have to rely on his size and toughness, when you compare him to Keyshawn. Key takes some big shots and his QB's trust him. That is how Jarret will have to play and he might do it. I just don't want to bet the number 22 pick on it.

1showDraftIcons(6930)Calvin Johnson*, Georgia Tech-- -- -- -- -- -- 6-5 2394.35--1.532.5642

11-7 --------2showDraftIcons(6928)Ted Ginn Jr.*, Ohio St.-- -- -- -- -- -- 5-11

1784.30--------------3showDraftIcons(6999)Dwayne Bowe, LSU-- -- -- -- -- -- 6-2

2214.40--1.572.6933 10-5 4.35--6.81--4showDraftIcons(7209)

Sidney Rice*, S. Carolina-- -- -- -- -- -- 6-3

1974.51--1.532.6139

9-11 4.3411.757.09--5showDraftIcons(6931)Aundrae Allison, E. Carolina-- -- -- -- -- -- 6-0

1984.39--1.522.5337 10-7 --------6showDraftIcons(7227)Anthony Gonzalez*, Ohio St.-- -- -- -- -- -- 6-0 1954.4416 1.532.5838 10-3 4.0811.456.54--7showDraftIcons(6841)

Jason Hill, Wash. St.-- -- -- -- -- -- 6-0

2044.36--1.522.5337 10-3 4.22--7.02--8showDraftIcons(6998)Craig Davis, LSU-- -- -- -- -- -- 6-1

2024.41--1.592.61--------9showDraftIcons(7249)Jacoby Jones, Lane-- -- -- -- -- -- 6-2

2104.59--1.652.5834 10-9 4.31--7.03--10showDraftIcons(7236)Robert Meachem*, Tennessee-- -- -- -- -- -- 6-2 2174.39--1.502.5537

10-8 4.1911.306.97--11showDraftIcons(6983)

Dwayne Jarrett*, USC-- -- -- -- -- -- 6-4 2144.62------36

10-1 4.20--7.28--12showDraftIcons(6936)

David Clowney, Va. Tech-- -- -- -- -- -- 6-0

1884.40--1.552.5532

10-3 4.1511.757.00--13showDraftIcons(7113)

Jemalle Cornelius, Florida-- -- -- -- -- -- 5-10

1834.40--1.582.6936

10-3 4.40--6.99--14showDraftIcons(6847)

Paul Williams, Fresno St.-- -- -- -- -- -- 6-1 2054.45--1.612.6338

10-5 4.2411.567.03--15showDraftIcons(7167)James Jones, San Jose St.-- -- -- -- -- -- 6-0

2074.65221.592.6534 9-11 4.2011.587.06--16showDraftIcons(6840)Steve Smith, USC-- -- -- -- -- -- 5-11

1974.44--1.512.5838 10-0 4.19--6.68--17showDraftIcons(7135)Laurent Robinson, Illinois St.-- -- -- -- -- -- 6-2 1994.38191.532.5339 10-7 4.2811.456.83--18showDraftIcons(5880)Steve Breaston, Michigan-- -- -- -- -- -- 6-0

1934.47--1.542.5733 10-4 4.2911.466.90--19showDraftIcons(7282)Yamon Figurs, Kansas St.-- -- -- -- -- -- 5-11

1744.30--1.612.4932

10-3 4.21--6.85--STEVE SMITH MEASURABLES Height: 5-11

Weight: 197 40-yard dash: 4.44 10-yard dash: 1.51 20-yard shuttle: 4.19 60-yard shuttle: Broad jump: 10-0 225-lb. bench: 3-cone drill: 6.68

Meachem
Height: 6-2 Weight: 217 40-yard dash: 4.39 10-yard dash: 1.50 20-yard shuttle: 4.19 60-yard shuttle: 11.30 Broad jump: 10-8 225-lb. bench: 3-cone drill: 6.97 Vertical jump: 37

DWAYNE JARRETT MEASURABLES Height: 6-4 Weight: 214 40-yard dash: 4.62 10-yard dash: 20-yard shuttle: 4.20 60-yard shuttle: Broad jump: 10-1 225-lb. bench: 3-cone drill: 7.28 Vertical jump: 36

Wonderlic: 20-yard dash:


20-yard dash: 2.55

 

[Sasquatch]

Anyone have the 40 time for Plaxico Burress who is comparable physically?

 

[Doomsday101]

Anyone have the 40 time for Plaxico Burress who is comparable physically?

WR PLAXICO BURRESS
(6-5 3/8, 233, 4.6e) Michigan State

Notes: Tremendous high school football and basketball player. Was the Virginia state champion in the 300-meter intermediate hurdles. Enrolled in 1997 but had to sit out the entire season for academic reasons. Started every game in ’98 and ’99. Caught 65 passes for 1,013 yards and eight touchdowns in ’98. Caught 53-957-9 in 11 regular-season games in ’99 and then caught 13-185-3 in the Citrus Bowl vs. Florida.
Positives: Rare size. Outstanding athletic ability. Creates instant matchup problems with his size and athleticism. Good hands, balance and excellent body control. Can make the acrobatic, circus catches. Plays big in big games. Caught 10-255-3 vs. Michigan and 13-185-3 vs. Florida this past season.

Negatives: Poor practice habits. Has good hands but has a lot of concentration lapses that lead to dropped passes. Is not a disciplined route runner and does a lot of freelancing. Does not have a big-league work ethic at this point. Knows how gifted he is and takes advantage of it. As a result, he can create some internal problems. May have gotten a little too heavy.

Summary: Has the ability to be a lottery-type selection, but his intangibles and immaturity make him somewhat risky as a top pick.

Ended up being the 8th overall pick

 

[InmanRoshi]

All I'm saying is watching the guy play on Saturdays, he was assured a Top 15 pick. A 40 time doesn't change that for me.

Yep, and Mike Williams, David Terrell, Rod Gardener and Reggie Williams were also tearing it up on Saturdays before they got to the NFL.

I watched film last night on the NFLN of Jarrett getting shut down by Cedric Houston, the only CB who put tight press coverage on him. Jarrett couldn't get off the line of scrimmage. He'll see that kind of coverage almost every week in the NFL.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Yep, and Mike Williams, David Terrell, Rod Gardener and Reggie Williams were also tearing it up on Saturdays before they got to the NFL.

I watched film last night on the NFLN of Jarrett getting shut down by Cedric Houston, the only CB who put tight press coverage on him. Jarrett couldn't get off the line of scrimmage. He'll see that kind of coverage almost every week in the NFL.

You guys had better listen to my new buddy the Scribe.

 

[InmanRoshi]

Plaxico ran a 4.55 in her personal workout and weighted 6'5.5 and 230 lbs at the combine. A good 15 lbs. heavier than Jarrett, and still ran faster.

 

[peplaw06]

Yep, and Mike Williams, David Terrell, Rod Gardener and Reggie Williams were also tearing it up on Saturdays before they got to the NFL.

I watched film last night on the NFLN of Jarrett getting shut down by Cedric Houston, the only CB who put tight press coverage on him. Jarrett couldn't get off the line of scrimmage. He'll see that kind of coverage almost every week in the NFL.

For every bust you can name who tore it up on Saturdays there is one or more who were good at both levels. I know he's going to face tougher competition, but are you saying he can't learn to play against that? What makes you think that?

The insanity to me is the fact that Steve Smith is being placed ahead of Jarrett in a lot of peoples mocks/rankings. Steve Smith is faster/quicker, but Jarrett outperformed him in every sense of the word at USC. At what point is on-the-field performance more important to you guys?

 

[peplaw06]

Plaxico ran a 4.55 in her personal workout and weighted 6'5.5 and 230 lbs at the combine. A good 15 lbs. heavier than Jarrett, and still ran faster.

Plax still isn't a guy who gets separation from NFL CBs because of his speed. He succeeds because he has good body control among other things. He also has attitude problems.

You guys should just admit that you're down on Jarrett because of Mike Williams. That's the only explanation I can come up with. There are tons of guys who haven't been the fastest WRs but succeeded for other reasons (like Plax).

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Plaxico ran a 4.55 in her personal workout and weighted 6'5.5 and 230 lbs at the combine. A good 15 lbs. heavier than Jarrett, and still ran faster.

And Randy Moss ran what? Like a sub 4.40?

If Jarret ran a consistent sub 4.6 I'd feel much better about the guy at 22.

 

[Doomsday101]

Plax still isn't a guy who gets separation from NFL CBs because of his speed. He succeeds because he has good body control among other things. He also has attitude problems.

You guys should just admit that you're down on Jarrett because of Mike Williams. That's the only explanation I can come up with. There are tons of guys who haven't been the fastest WRs but succeeded for other reasons (like Plax).

I agree and that is the one thing I'm staying away from which is knocking 1 guy to promote my guy. I think Jarrett is an option but clearly not the only option out there. Like many I like Meachem, I also like Bowe, Ginn and Rice. All of these guys are making this to be a very rich WR draft and frankly I would be happy with any one of them and think each one of these guys have a good chance at turning into very good players at the next level but none are sure things.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

I agree and that is the one thing I'm staying away from which is knocking 1 guy to promote my guy. I think Jarrett is an option but clearly not the only option out there. Like many I like Meachem, I also like Bowe, Ginn and Rice. All of these guys are making this to be a very rich WR draft and frankly I would be happy with any one of them and think each one of these guys have a good chance at turning into very good players at the next level but none are sure things.

For some reason I think there may be a higher rated CB at #22 than there will be a WR... if that is the case I would bet that we'll go corner.

 

[dboyz]

Wow, I didn't realize Jarrett was so polarizing.

There are certainly some that watch more college football than me, but I've seen Jarrett a handful of times over the past few years and I like him. He reminds me of Irvin. The only question I would have is about his attitude. But if that's ok I would have no problem taking him at 22.

It isn't like this guy never played against good db's. He played against plenty... and for instance he lit up the Michigan secondary.

As far as Irvin being faster, what maybe a few hundredths faster in the 40. That's not much.

 

[alancdc]

it might not drop him out of round one, probably insures he wont be the 2nd WR picked, but he might go late 1st

he's still a good WR that makes plays...alot of you people get way to hung up on 40 times and workout nunbers....it all matters, but the real tale is in the game tape

David

I don't necessarily want us to take him at 22, but I agree with you on the 40 times. I can't understand why they don't work these players out in full pads. When is the last time you saw a receiver running a pattern in the NFL in shorts and an under armor shirt? Makes no sense. Put pads on him, and see if he can run a pattern and get open.

 

[Doomsday101]

For some reason I think there may be a higher rated CB at #22 than there will be a WR... if that is the case I would bet that we'll go corner.

You could be right it depends on how things fall on draft day. If Dallas does not take a WR in rd 1 I still hope they have a chance to grab a WR within the 1st 3 rds. There is some good talent at that position and I would hate to wait until TO or Glenn retire before we are forced to address the position, I think that would be mistake.