Dwayne Jarret's 40 time ...*MERGE*

[aikemirv]

Well, if he drops to the 2nd, we should move up in the second and get him if we don't draft a WR in the 1st.

 

[speedkilz88]

I don't think anyone is saying he shouldn't be taken in the second round. Just that their are better prospects at the same position available at 22 like Bowe and Meachem. The only other WR I would be interested in the second round would be Hill.

 

[Aikbach]

I don't think anyone is saying he shouldn't be taken in the second round. Just that their are better prospects at the same position available at 22 like Bowe and Meachem. The only other WR I would be interested in the second round would be Hill.

I would be tempted to take Meachem over Jarrett.

 

[BigDave95]

I would be tempted to take Meachem over Jarrett.

I don't think there's any question Meachem goes higher than Jarrett now. Unless Ginn runs some crazy 4.25 on the 12th, Meachem will be the 2nd WR taken.

 

[Colo]

I think this give us a better chance of getting him at 22. Any faster and he'd have been gone before our pick.

Irvin wasn't the fastest guy on the field.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

If I'm not mistaken Michael Irvin ran between a 4.6 and a 4.7 and Keyshawn Johnson has never been a speedster himself.

Frankly it doesn't concern me much.

If he fell to the second and dallas took him that would be a steal and a half however!

And yes you are mistaken... Irvin ran in the high 4.5's.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

I think we'll get a better quality CB at #22 than we will WR at this point.

Jarrett wouldn't be a #1 WR in most offenses.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Forget workout numbers. This is all you need to know:

2004 - 55 receptions, 849 yards, 15.4 Avg, 13 TD
2005 - 91 receptions, 1274 yards, 14.0 Avg, 16 TD
2006 - 70 receptions, 1015 yards, 14.5 Avg, 12 TD​

compared to Ted Ginn:

2004 - 25 receptions, 359 yards, 14.4 Avg, 2 TD
2005 - 51 receptions, 803 yards, 15.7 Avg, 4 TD
2006 - 59 receptions, 781 yards, 13.2 Avg, 9 TD​

Don't get so gung-ho about college stats either...

A lot of wide-outs put up big numbers in Andre Ware and David Klingler run offenses too.

 

[WhizKid]

Jarrett to me is the second best reciever in this draft and arguably the best, but if he seems to be falling and we actually do have a chance to get him at 22 i'd be happy. If he falls into the second I'd be happy to get him, it would be a steal. If we pass on him in the first and he doesn't reach us in the second, I want Sidney Rice; if he is not there in the second, I want Paul Williams in the third.

 

[BigDave95]

Don't get so gung-ho about college stats either...

A lot of wide-outs put up big numbers in Andre Ware and David Klingler run offenses too.

Don't see how that's relevant here. Both Ginn and Jarrett played in pro-style offenses with Heisman trophy winning QB's throwing to them. They both had solid running games and good complimentary receivers on the other side.

 

[dbair1967]

Don't see how that's relevant here. Both Ginn and Jarrett played in pro-style offenses with Heisman trophy winning QB's throwing to them. They both had solid running games and good complimentary receivers on the other side.

the USC offense is much more similar to a prostyle set than Ohio States is

David

 

[MichaelWinicki]

the USC offense is much more similar to a prostyle set than Ohio States is

David

Exactly.

I'm not saying Jarret is trash but a 4.60+ 40 doesn't excite me. Even a 4.60+ guy is still going to have the speed advantage over many college corners and most safeties. Hell there aren't too many corners in the NFL that run slower than a 4.60. And many safeties are faster than that too.

If I'm selecting a WR with my 22nd pick then I want a guy that can be the #1 receiver on my team-- and I don't think Jarrett is it. I see a "Keyshawn" type receiver here-- and that's in the best light... certainly not a "TO" or an "Irvin".

 

[Bizwah]

Exactly.

I'm not saying Jarret is trash but a 4.60+ 40 doesn't excite me. Even a 4.60+ guy is still going to have the speed advantage over many college corners and most safeties. Hell there aren't too many corners in the NFL that run slower than a 4.60. And many safeties are faster than that too.

If I'm selecting a WR with my 22nd pick then I want a guy that can be the #1 receiver on my team-- and I don't think Jarrett is it. I see a "Keyshawn" type receiver here-- and that's in the best light... certainly not a "TO" or an "Irvin".

I don't know....What's the difference between a 4.4 and a 4.6 on the field?

One or two steps?

How many times do you see an NFL WR beating the socks off a corner? Not often when you think about it. On most deep plays, the WR and the DB are right together. The difference is where the QB places the ball, and how the WR plays the ball.

Irvin rarely blew by a CB. He ran great routes, and knew how to set up a CB. He had good hands, and a great QB who knew how to place the ball. He could not be knocked off his routes by smaller CBs. He also knew how to "block out" the defender (yes, a basketball term).

Jarrett is a strong receiver.....if a CB tries to jam him, he'll just shrug them off. He has good hands...now, route running for a rookie is always spotty, but if he runs disciplined routes, then there's no reason for him to not get separation.

His 36 inch vert tells me there is some explosion in his step. So, his first couple of steps should be pretty fast. Couple his vertical with his 6-5 frame, and he makes an attractive redzone target.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

I don't know....What's the difference between a 4.4 and a 4.6 on the field?

One or two steps?

How many times do you see an NFL WR beating the socks off a corner? Not often when you think about it. On most deep plays, the WR and the DB are right together. The difference is where the QB places the ball, and how the WR plays the ball.

Irvin rarely blew by a CB. He ran great routes, and knew how to set up a CB. He had good hands, and a great QB who knew how to place the ball. He could not be knocked off his routes by smaller CBs. He also knew how to "block out" the defender (yes, a basketball term).

Jarrett is a strong receiver.....if a CB tries to jam him, he'll just shrug them off. He has good hands...now, route running for a rookie is always spotty, but if he runs disciplined routes, then there's no reason for him to not get separation.

His 36 inch vert tells me there is some explosion in his step. So, his first couple of steps should be pretty fast. Couple his vertical with his 6-5 frame, and he makes an attractive redzone target.

OK, so why not consider someone that runs a 4.8? Heck, that's not a big difference from 4.6?

Where's the cutoff?

Irvin was faster than this guy.

I wish everyone would drop the Irvin comparison.

 

[smarta5150]

OK, so why not consider someone that runs a 4.8? Heck, that's not a big difference from 4.6?

Where's the cutoff?

Irvin was faster than this guy.

I wish everyone would drop the Irvin comparison.

I wish people would stop putting the 40 time on a freakin' pedestal.

If a kid can play the game he can play the game, there is a ton of speed out there which results in nothing.

Not everyone needs to be a burner, some guys have other abilities that make up for a lack of speed such as route running, hands, physicality, and so on.

The 40 time is quickly becoming the most over-hyped, overrated measurable out there.

 

[juck]

is the best all around reciever next to Calvin Johnson.This guy reminds me of Michael Irvin with his hands and body positioning,and he has played in the big leagues of college,and this is where i give him a lil edge over Calvin Johnson.There is something about this dude that says big time reciever.

 

[juck]

He's the guy I want too!

I agree.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

I wish people would stop putting the 40 time on a freakin' pedestal.

If a kid can play the game he can play the game, there is a ton of speed out there which results in nothing.

Not everyone needs to be a burner, some guys have other abilities that make up for a lack of speed such as route running, hands, physicality, and so on.

The 40 time is quickly becoming the most over-hyped, overrated measurable out there.

From recent history it seems that WR is perhaps the most "bust-prone" position when drafting in the first round. Michael Westbrook looked like he could "play the game" too.

You're right, not everyone needs to be a burner. But if I'm taking a guy #22 I want a guy that can be my #1. This guy isn't fast enough IMO to be a #1.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Yeah.


Right.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Mike Mayock on NFL network showed a lot of tape on Jarrett and according to him the speed issue will hurt him because he has trouble with press coverage, even at the college level. Jarrett was a playmaker when people played off him and gave him room to run his routes, but on several clips Mayock showed plays where the corner got up in his face and Jarrett could not seperate from the corner and his routes were completely disrupted.

I like Jarrett and thought he was a stud in college, but I don't think he will be a game breaker in the pros. I don't think he will be a bust like Williams because he seems to have a better work ethic.

I picture him more like Keyshawn, not that there's anything wrong with that.