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I don't see a long term deal in Dallas making much sense if we're to keep getting younger. And that's what he's asking Seattle for.
I wouldn't be against a 1 or 2 year deal.

I wouldn't be against a short term deal if ET's price tag was within reasonable bounds but he's looking for a blockbuster amount that would very possibly put us back in cap hell once again. Jerry and Stephen, as of now, aren't allowing themselves to get carried away in that respect. Let's just hope they see fit to stick to their guns in the future weeks and months ahead. ET is looking for a 3 or 4-year deal -- a pretty risky proposition at 30 years of age. I'm more in tune with our youth program. It just seems more practical to me. ;)
 
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I wouldn't be against a short term deal if ET's price tag was within reasonable bounds but he's looking for a blockbuster amount that would very possibly put us back in cap hell once again. Jerry and Stephen, as of now, aren't allowing themselves to get carried away in that respect. Let's just hope they stick with their guns in the near future.
I can't blame him for wanting a high salary, long term deal. But I don't think it's what's best for us.
 

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Give the 2nd as Jerry will probably select a another project player (Gimp) or druggie .....ET will have a HUGE impact for our young secondary....!
 

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Seriously?

Look, I know that this is a deal that you don't want to happen, and I'm fine with you having that position, but are you really going to try to warp reality to fit what you hope doesn't happen?

Are you really trying to convince yourself and anyone else that there is no evidence of Dallas' interest and that it is "pure speculation"? That crosses over into delusional territory.
I'm just sharing the facts; you mentioned 9ers and chargers..there is nothing I have read from those two, I've read countless times there has and there is still two teams interested, I have also read countless times this is nothing more than media hype shared info I just shared in fact the Raiders have been linked, how many times has SJ been quoted as saying the cowboys are not pursuing ET?, I don't think the guy is a team player, plain and simple dude is getting paid almost 9 mill a year and he isn't in camp? Guy isn't even a top player anymore and this young clubhouse doesn't need an old aging vet portraying me first selfish actions. Now we have typically been on the same side and I will debate with you all day but don't be calling my sharing of facts or my opinion of ET warped....I'm not saying your opinion of him is warped. I respect your stance---just don't agree with it.
 

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I'm just sharing the facts; you mentioned 9ers and chargers..there is nothing I have read from those two, I've read countless times there has and there is still two teams interested, I have also read countless times this is nothing more than media hype shared info I just shared in fact the Raiders have been linked, how many times has SJ been quoted as saying the cowboys are not pursuing ET?, I don't think the guy is a team player, plain and simple dude is getting paid almost 9 mill a year and he isn't in camp? Guy isn't even a top player anymore and this young clubhouse doesn't need an old aging vet portraying me first selfish actions. Now we have typically been on the same side and I will debate with you all day but don't be calling my sharing of facts or my opinion of ET warped....I'm not saying your opinion of him is warped. I respect your stance---just don't agree with it.

I'm not call your stance warped, I specifically said that you're entitled to your opinion. What you're not entitled to are your own facts. That was my point.

Dallas is, was, and has been interested. That's not made up speculation as you seem to want to think. That's been well established. What Stephen Jones says publicly has no bearing on that whatsoever. There are clear rules about tampering which includes speaking publicly about a player's under contract to another team.

And the Raiders mention has been debunked as an offhand joking comment and nothing more. And while I can see that you'd want their interest to be legitimate because you don't want Dallas to make the deal, that's simply not the case. Look it up if you don't want to believe me.
 

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If Seattle wants a 2nd for ET, I'd tell them to go pound sand.

I'd love to have him here but not at that cost.
 
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Apparently Seattle wants Dallas' no. 2 pick next year for him.

While he would probably be better than any of our other safeties, there are five things to consider:

1. He's already 29 years old, and hasn't played a full 16 games either of the last two years.
2. He was on a team with players like Sherman, Bennett, Chancellor and Browner, is he really that good himself or was he good because he was on a great team? Won't know that until he plays without them.
3. He had only 2 ints each his last two seasons, as a free safety. Only like 7 and 10 passes defensed. Now maybe a la Mel Renfro he's so good teams didn't throw his way much, but with Sherman again being supposedly so great, why wouldn't teams throw his way?
4. The Cowboys are a young team, being built with draft picks, do you really want to add somebody who might only play a couple of years?
5. Cowboys still need good players at several positions. Draft picks, especially first and second rounders, are extremely valuable. Would he add enough to the team to "push them over the top" this year? Or the next? Can't do it all by himself. Yes one player can perk up the entire defense (see that with Lee), but someone playing away from the line of scrimmage isn't involved in as many plays as a Lee or Lawrence or Collins or Vander Esch, his impact would be muted.

As anybody can tell, I don't think much of getting him if it takes a no. 2 pick, or multiple picks. Would prefer to let the guys in place get playing time together and see if we can develop another Doomsday...
Our recent #2 picks aren't exactly stellar anyway.... let's go get the guy and throw a c on his Jersey for the next 3 years.
 

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I'm not call your stance warped, I specifically said that you're entitled to your opinion. What you're not entitled to are your own facts. That was my point.

Dallas is, was, and has been interested. That's not made up speculation as you seem to want to think. That's been well established. What Stephen Jones says publicly has no bearing on that whatsoever. There are clear rules about tampering which includes speaking publicly about a player's under contract to another team.

And the Raiders mention has been debunked as an offhand joking comment and nothing more. And while I can see that you'd want their interest to be legitimate because you don't want Dallas to make the deal, that's simply not the case. Look it up if you don't want to believe me.
They are not my facts but actual articles and statements. Either way right now ET is getting torched with his selfish "factual" holdout right now on PFW...the facts are what they are and right now the only facts we have are SJs own words of no interest and the me first selfish ET crying about wanting more $ yet he signed his current deal and is making 8.5 million...those are the facts. Anyway I got burgers to go flip.
 

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They are not my facts but actual articles and statements. Either way right now ET is getting torched with his selfish "factual" holdout right now on PFW...the facts are what they are and right now the only facts we have are SJs own words of no interest and the me first selfish ET crying about wanting more $ yet he signed his current deal and is making 8.5 million...those are the facts. Anyway I got burgers to go flip.

Can you provide Stephen Jones' "own words" that say "no interest"?

Thanks in advance.
 

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Our recent #2 picks aren't exactly stellar anyway.... let's go get the guy and throw a c on his Jersey for the next 3 years.
Discounting Williams as he hasn't played, our no. 2s are Awuzie, Lawrence and (if he works out) J. Smith. Gregory MIGHT work out.

I think there's enough "gold" there that we should keep the no 2 but I can understand your position...
 

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A second round pick is fair. I think the cowboys should be happy with that as well as the Seahawks. He would be happy because we will pay him and the Seahawks should be happy with the payment since all theyd get is a low 3rd not next year but the one following if he stays.

I don't think a second round pick is fair for 1 year.
 

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Our recent #2 picks aren't exactly stellar anyway
The last 5 are all expected to be big contributors this season and into the future. There are some Pro Bowlers in this group. Considering the NFL bust rate of 2nd rounders, the Cowboys look to be doing well.

Connor Williams
Chidobe Awuzie
Jaylon Smith
Randy Gregory
Demarcus Lawrence
 

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Give the 2nd as Jerry will probably select a another project player (Gimp) or druggie .....ET will have a HUGE impact for our young secondary....!
Hahaha...never looked at it that way, you have point.
 

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I'm just sharing the facts; you mentioned 9ers and chargers..there is nothing I have read from those two, I've read countless times there has and there is still two teams interested, I have also read countless times this is nothing more than media hype shared info I just shared in fact the Raiders have been linked, how many times has SJ been quoted as saying the cowboys are not pursuing ET?, I don't think the guy is a team player, plain and simple dude is getting paid almost 9 mill a year and he isn't in camp? Guy isn't even a top player anymore and this young clubhouse doesn't need an old aging vet portraying me first selfish actions. Now we have typically been on the same side and I will debate with you all day but don't be calling my sharing of facts or my opinion of ET warped....I'm not saying your opinion of him is warped. I respect your stance---just don't agree with it.
Facts are that on draft day the seahawks called the Cowboys before pick 50 and wanted to make the deal. The Cowboys declined because they were gifted Connor Williams there. Then the Cowboys called the seahawks before pick 81 offering that pick for ET and the seahawks did not return the call.
 

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So this really could happen? I thought it’s been all fluff, mostly, the last couple months.

Stephen’s coy remarks last week and ET’s comments here, make it seem more likely now. Has SEA commented on extending him? Are there any other teams that have been mentioned? Or is it us vs SEA?

Git er done, Jerry!

Edit — seems like the board is split on him. Regardless, it’ll be fun if he lands here. Half the board melting down, notwithstanding.
The half that dont want him are obviously not very football savy!! Not like the rest of us that are geniuses!!! Lol!
 

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Apparently Seattle wants Dallas' no. 2 pick next year for him.

While he would probably be better than any of our other safeties, there are five things to consider:

1. He's already 29 years old, and hasn't played a full 16 games either of the last two years.
2. He was on a team with players like Sherman, Bennett, Chancellor and Browner, is he really that good himself or was he good because he was on a great team? Won't know that until he plays without them.
3. He had only 2 ints each his last two seasons, as a free safety. Only like 7 and 10 passes defensed. Now maybe a la Mel Renfro he's so good teams didn't throw his way much, but with Sherman again being supposedly so great, why wouldn't teams throw his way?
4. The Cowboys are a young team, being built with draft picks, do you really want to add somebody who might only play a couple of years?
5. Cowboys still need good players at several positions. Draft picks, especially first and second rounders, are extremely valuable. Would he add enough to the team to "push them over the top" this year? Or the next? Can't do it all by himself. Yes one player can perk up the entire defense (see that with Lee), but someone playing away from the line of scrimmage isn't involved in as many plays as a Lee or Lawrence or Collins or Vander Esch, his impact would be muted.

As anybody can tell, I don't think much of getting him if it takes a no. 2 pick, or multiple picks. Would prefer to let the guys in place get playing time together and see if we can develop another Doomsday...

1. 29 is not old for great safeties. See Ed Reed, Charles Woodson, Rod Woodson, etc, etc.
2. They benefitted from him far more than he did them.
3. Interceptions are arbitrary. They come and go for all great defensive backs.
4. He's like Sean Lee. These young defensive backs here need direction like our linebackers get from Lee. (Notice how bad they are when Lee isn't there to line them up.)
5. Earl Thomas is elite. How many 2nd or 3rd rounders end up being elite? Almost none.

Bottom line: This could be a top defense with Earl Thomas. It absolutely won't be without him, and the Eagles will torch the Cowboys.
 
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