Earl Thomas speaks

[SoupcanSam]

Not nitpicking, qualifying.

After all, we are talking about the safety Earl Thomas here, right?

Last I checked safety is also within the defensive backfield (DB). You can google in case your mind is a little foggy.

 

[Stash]

Last I checked safety is also within the defensive backfield (DB). You can google in case your mind is a little foggy.

And the corners have nothing to do with whether or not this team acquires a safety. But again, in your rush to oversimplify and misrepresent something, positive talk about cornerbacks somehow gets twisted and warped to include safeties that haven't been mentioned. The pattern is becoming clear.

 

[LACowboysFan1]

I agree with not overpaying, but I don't see another team in the picture.

And that should work to Dallas' benefit, if Earl truly would like to get out of Seattle or Seattle doesn't want him or can't/won't pay him what he wants...

 

[Stash]

There is another element though, and that's ET's contract. No team will give up a significant draft pick unless they are sure they can get a contract extension the can live with.

Exactly. Because they would be doing nothing more than trading for Seattle's headache. Thomas wouldn't be any happier not getting an extension anywhere else, as he's clearly stated.

 

[OmerV]

At the end of the day both make up the whole secondary.

Nitpicking as a hobby huh!

It's not nitpicking because if the CBs are playing well but the safeties aren't then it would be inaccurate to say the entire secondary is playing well. You can't only look at one element of the secondary to make a judgement about the entire secondary.

 

[Stash]

And that should work to Dallas' benefit, if Earl truly would like to get out of Seattle or Seattle doesn't want him or can't/won't pay him what he wants...

Definitely. But the player has to compromise to get a deal done as well. He can't simply get anything and everything he wants. All parties must compromise to some degree and I hope he realizes that.

 

[BigD_95]

And the rest of the NFL world reiterates two things for Earl Thomas “either show up, play and honor your contract or don’t play and shut the hell up”.

The more this guy opens his mouth the less I like him. I hope he gets traded to some scrub team like the Jets, I don’t want him here.

I guess you didn't read what he wrote then. Guy makes a lot of good points and I for one don't blame him

 

[LACowboysFan1]

Definitely. But the player has to compromise to get a deal done as well. He can't simply get anything and everything he wants. All parties must compromise to some degree and I hope he realizes that.

I think it's very possible he realizes that with Sherman, et al out of the picture the Seahawks' secondary won't be that good, so he's being difficult so that he can get traded to someone like Dallas, a team on the upswing, not the downswing....

 

[805BoysInBlue]

Apparently Seattle wants Dallas' no. 2 pick next year for him.

While he would probably be better than any of our other safeties, there are five things to consider:

1. He's already 29 years old, and hasn't played a full 16 games either of the last two years.
2. He was on a team with players like Sherman, Bennett, Chancellor and Browner, is he really that good himself or was he good because he was on a great team? Won't know that until he plays without them.
3. He had only 2 ints each his last two seasons, as a free safety. Only like 7 and 10 passes defensed. Now maybe a la Mel Renfro he's so good teams didn't throw his way much, but with Sherman again being supposedly so great, why wouldn't teams throw his way?
4. The Cowboys are a young team, being built with draft picks, do you really want to add somebody who might only play a couple of years?
5. Cowboys still need good players at several positions. Draft picks, especially first and second rounders, are extremely valuable. Would he add enough to the team to "push them over the top" this year? Or the next? Can't do it all by himself. Yes one player can perk up the entire defense (see that with Lee), but someone playing away from the line of scrimmage isn't involved in as many plays as a Lee or Lawrence or Collins or Vander Esch, his impact would be muted.

As anybody can tell, I don't think much of getting him if it takes a no. 2 pick, or multiple picks. Would prefer to let the guys in place get playing time together and see if we can develop another Doomsday...

All though i agree, i look ahead to next yesr and the only thing i see us needing next draft is a TE and possibly a 1 tech (if rod retires). Neither of those I think would be worth drafting in the 2nd round. On the other hand a safety who is familiar with the system being installed and a QB of the secondary i think is worth a 2nd.

 

[dcstar]

Personally, I wouldn't give anything for him...simply because he possibly will be a free agent next year...and I don't think he is the missing link to the Superbowl. He is a talent no doubt but no way would I give up a premium pick.

I kinda like the secondary we have now and would like to see what they will do.

Go Cowboys!

 

[Stash]

I think it's very possible he realizes that with Sherman, et al out of the picture the Seahawks' secondary won't be that good, so he's being difficult so that he can get traded to someone like Dallas, a team on the upswing, not the downswing....

That's a factor to be sure, but his own issues have been ongoing for a while too. He approached Garrett and the Cowboys prior to Seattle's dismantling and that tells me that he was getting nowhere in his campaign for a contract extension before that.

It's possible that his "retirement talk" when he broke his leg has scared Seattle off of making any long term commitment. And it's even more likely that they realize where they truly are as a team and that their current window is closed and they need resources to invest in opening up a new one. And one veteran, no matter how good he is, doesn't accomplish that.

 

[Stash]

I guess you didn't read what he wrote then. Guy makes a lot of good points and I for one don't blame him

Some people only see it as a one way street.

 

[Trouty]

I don't see anything in the tweet of the article that was posted that indicates there is any more chance of Dallas getting him in a trade than there has been. He's just publically saying he either wants a contract extension or a trade. It's unsure if Seattle will even be willing to bend on its position - this late in that game it doesn't seem that likely. But even if they do, who knows if Dallas would offer the best deal? Still seems like a long shot to me.

Hello, Omer. It was the quote in the tweet, along with the last sentence of Schefter's tweet that spurned on my post (I don't consider Schefter a hack, myself). I don't necessarily disagree with you, tho. As I have felt the same as you ("long shot") up until today. SJones comments last week kind of danced around the question, too, as if there had, in fact, been discussions, at least within our org (my inference).

It still may be a like a long shot, but the target seems a little bit closer now. JMO.

 

[3rd_n_inches]

It may, but at what price? And he's pushing 30. I feel if Dallas were ever to pull the trigger on a deal it would have happened.

I think if Seattle was to find a deal on their end they would have pulled the trigger already.

 

[SoupcanSam]

And the corners have nothing to do with whether or not this team acquires a safety. But again, in your rush to oversimplify and misrepresent something, positive talk about cornerbacks somehow gets twisted and warped to include safeties that haven't been mentioned. The pattern is becoming clear.

Yep it's becoming clear you are clueless.

Agreed!

 

[SoupcanSam]

It's not nitpicking because if the CBs are playing well but the safeties aren't then it would be inaccurate to say the entire secondary is playing well. You can't only look at one element of the secondary to make a judgement about the entire secondary.

I never read that the safeties were doing bad. There is also camp footage on YouTube showing both the CB and safeties making plays against the offense.

Just saying!

 

[Stash]

Yep it's becoming clear you are clueless.

Agreed!

Could be worse. I could be you, making **** up left and right.

 

[Stash]

I never read that the safeties were doing bad. There is also camp footage on YouTube showing both the CB and safeties making plays against the offense.

Just saying!

And somehow, in Bizarro-world, having "never read that the safeties were doing bad", translates into this:

But seriously though youd have to think of the confadence level of the youngsters if you sign Earl. The cowboys have already expressed their trust in that group.

So far they are having a great camp also and the earlier they are thrown into the fire the more experience and better they get.

And you have the nerve to call someone else "clueless".

 

[kskboys]

All though i agree, i look ahead to next yesr and the only thing i see us needing next draft is a TE and possibly a 1 tech (if rod retires). Neither of those I think would be worth drafting in the 2nd round. On the other hand a safety who is familiar with the system being installed and a QB of the secondary i think is worth a 2nd.

Gronk was a 2nd rounder. Jarran Reed was a 2nd rounder. Kyle Rudolph was a 2nd rounder. Joseph Linval was a 2nd rounder. Eddie Goldman, Tim Jernigan, Zach Ertz, Sefarian-jenkins, all 2nd rounders.

Seems to me as if the 2nd round is where many teams get their TE's and DT's. Witten was a 2nd.

 

[Bohuntr97]

They might, because the franchise tag is just one year, and I think the problem Seattle has with giving ET the extension is that it would be a multi year deal with a lot more guaranteed money than $12 or $13 million

Fair point. They are also probably skiddish because they still have to pay Chancellor even though he retired because of injury. They gave him a three year $36 mill deal with $13 mill guaranteed with a $12 mill injury guarantee. That set the floor for Thomas.