Escobar pick really only makes sense if

[Alexander]

Having an ignore list has always fascinated me. I don't even know how to put somebody on an ignore list. And I don't want to know.

People should listen to all views, even if it rubs you the wrong way some times. Make your point. Debate it. Then move on. Easy peasy.

BTW, this is directed to no one in particular.

Your on my ignore list, buddy.

 

[Alexander]

Aww somebody's feelings got hurt. I barely said anything and I'm on the ignore list. You're the one who made the assumption (that I clearly don't want football because I disagreed that our DL looked great).

The facts are, anyone with eyes could see Ware hadn't looked like the best pass rusher in football in about 2 years. Hatcher and Spencer were on the final years of their contracts. Ratliff had barely played in 2 years and many people thought he would never play again. Not to mention all the drama he started in the locker room. I would say the DL was completely an issue. But I clearly don't watch football and you probably won't read this post because you put people on your ignore list after the very first post they disagree with you.

He ignored me too. Are we now ignore buddies?

 

[CowboyFan4Eva]

It's only a Jerry Jones team if it sucks, right? Otherwise someone else gets the credit.

It has sucked for the majority of his ownership of the Dallas cowboys. When he first bought it, the deal between him and JImmy Johnson was jerry does the business, and jimmy does the football......

Well, that changed after a few years.......and jerry decided he wanted to be football guy too......and jimmy just Left.
And we have scene what GM Jerry is all about..........sad really. Business Jerry is awesome......

This is all well documented.......surprised you don't know this.....

 

[Direwolf63]

Your on my ignore list, buddy.

lol!

 

[TTexasTT]

Having an ignore list has always fascinated me. I don't even know how to put somebody on an ignore list. And I don't want to know.

People should listen to all views, even if it rubs you the wrong way some times. Make your point. Debate it. Then move on. Easy peasy.

BTW, this is directed to no one in particular.

that impressive being that youve been a member here for 10 years. I find it to be a great benefit.

You dont constantly get notices from the same members quoting you saying the exact some stuff they spew over and over. Like that GameOver guy that will quote every single Romo post just to say his contract sucks, hes a choker and Orton should be a starter. Making a point with stats to support your case is always fun, but half the time they are cherry picked or something that just was on ESPN. Often it just as aggravating as politics and religion. lol

EDIT- kinda like that dude above your post ^^

 

[JoeyBoy718]

that impressive being that youve been a member here for 10 years. I find it to be a great benefit.

You dont constantly get notices from the same members quoting you saying the exact some stuff they spew over and over. Like that GameOver guy that will quote every single Romo post just to say his contract sucks, hes a choker and Orton should be a starter. Making a point with stats to support your case is always fun, but half the time they are cherry picked or something that just was on ESPN. Often it just as aggravating as politics and religion. lol

EDIT- kinda like that dude above your post ^^

I made a post with stats? If somebody's age and injury history is a stat, then I guess I did. My bad. I don't know why someone is so upset that I said Ratliff is 32-years old and hasn't played in 2 years. Sorry to offend.

 

[TTexasTT]

I only have one on it. It helps. There is a difference between healthy debate ad people who only want to write their side and then say "if you don't agree you don't know football" or they just keep moving to other topics after facts ruin their points. At that stage it is a no win situation for all involved

No, the Escobar pick isnt as bad when you look at the D-line. Look at the numbers those guys had put up over the two years before and report back.
It wasnt anything close to being the top priority.
Typical...

 

[Direwolf63]

that impressive being that youve been a member here for 10 years. I find it to be a great benefit.

You dont constantly get notices from the same members quoting you saying the exact some stuff they spew over and over. Like that GameOver guy that will quote every single Romo post just to say his contract sucks, hes a choker and Orton should be a starter. Making a point with stats to support your case is always fun, but half the time they are cherry picked or something that just was on ESPN. Often it just as aggravating as politics and religion. lol

EDIT- kinda like that dude above your post ^^

Yeah. I've been around for awhile. I still remember the Quincy Carter/Chad Hutinson wars. Don't know if the ignore feature was around back then. But if it was, it probably melted the software from overuse.

 

[TTexasTT]

Yeah. I've been around for awhile. I still remember the Quincy Carter/Chad Hutinson wars. Don't know if the ignore feature was around back then. But if it was, it probably melted the software from overuse.

Some members are here just to actually troll, sadly. Ive noticed that guys that I put on that list are often banned when I check back a month or two later.

Could you imagine if there was this type of tool back when Landry was fired and those awful seasons... Yes indeed, meltdown.

 

[Miller]

No, the Escobar pick isnt as bad when you look at the D-line. Look at the numbers those guys had put up over the two years before and report back.
It wasnt anything close to being the top priority.
Typical...

What is typical? I just showed you two writers who, post draft, sad we lacked Dline depth and help. It was talked about all predraft and post draft. Thus the talk on skipping Floyd. You are creating an argument out of thin air because the reality of those articles and most predraft scouting was "Dallas needs Dline help." Reality. Who cares what the numbers were. The guys were mostly in their 30s, one was on a one year deal and was known to be gone and we were switching defenses. You going against 90% of nfl experts doesn't make I so. You are arguing for the sake of arguing despite facts to the contrary.

 

[TTexasTT]

What is typical? I just showed you two writers who, post draft, sad we lacked Dline depth and help. It was talked about all predraft and post draft. Thus the talk on skipping Floyd. You are creating an argument out of thin air because the reality of those articles and most predraft scouting was "Dallas needs Dline help." Reality. Who cares what the numbers were. The guys were mostly in their 30s, one was on a one year deal and was known to be gone and we were switching defenses. You going against 90% of nfl experts doesn't make I so. You are arguing for the sake of arguing despite facts to the contrary.

sigh::::
What facts? You just said "who cares about numbers"
Those guys were all the same age as Robert Mathis, Jarred Allen, Shaun Phillips, Vince Wolfork and many others that (aside from Vince) had fine seasons. There was no way of predicting the way it would have fallen apart, but it did and it makes the Escobar pick, because of his lack of production look very bad. Nobody is denying that those guys were getting long in the tooth...

"90% of NFL Experts" didnt have D-Line as a top priority for the Dallas Cowboys.

 

[Zordon]

warford wasnt on the cowboys board

which is a very big problem. how is a player who had a better rookie year than zeitler and iupati not on our board. are we that stupid?

 

[NoLuv4Jerry]

I would not have a "problem" with drafting a TE had we done it later. Jordan Reed, the kid the Commanders drafted....was a 4th or 5th rounder I believe. And if he is healthy...he will be a Pro Bowler for years.

 

[TwoCentPlain]

I think it was the end of training camp in 2012 and Witten got hurt in a pre-season game against Oakland. It was not known if Witten would be able to play in the opener. He did play but I think the team realized they had no real backup for Witten and got scared. Hanna was an unknown but showed he was more than capable of filling in in my opinion. I guess the team wasn't sold on Hanna after the 2012 season and still thought if Witten got hurt, they would need a better option at TE. TE was the essential piece for Romo and the team.

Or maybe they just thought Escobar was the best player available.

Anyway, I just hope Escobar plays well. I really don't get all hot and bothered over what rounds players were taken.

 

[Miller]

sigh::::
What facts? You just said "who cares about numbers"
Those guys were all the same age as Robert Mathis, Jarred Allen, Shaun Phillips, Vince Wolfork and many others that (aside from Vince) had fine seasons. There was no way of predicting the way it would have fallen apart, but it did and it makes the Escobar pick, because of his lack of production look very bad. Nobody is denying that those guys were getting long in the tooth...

"90% of NFL Experts" didnt have D-Line as a top priority for the Dallas Cowboys.

Yes they did. Go to a majority of pre draft scouting reports and almost all mention needing Dline help switching to the 4-3. It doesn't matter if you have 4 guys in their 30s who look fine. You draft for the long haul. No one thought..."more TE." They did say we need dline

My third example adding to that FACT vs your message board thoughts

http://www.sbnation.com/nfl-mock-draft/2013/4/24/4258118/2013-nfl-draft-team-needs-dallas-cowboys

http://m.bleacherreport.com/article...ll-needs-to-fill-in-the-2013-nfl-draft/page/3

Stop spinning things. You constantly do this when confronted with your falsehoods. Just like the Frederick post above. You add the Josh Brent situation and Dline was key

 

[JohnsKey19]

Escobar can play. I still question the pick only because of other pressing roster needs that could've been addressed. But i think Escobar will develop into a fine receiving TE threat. As others have stated he obviously needs to improve his overall strength and blocking. He is fortunate to have Witten as a tutor.

 

[TonyRomo17]

which is a very big problem. how is a player who had a better rookie year than zeitler and iupati not on our board. are we that stupid?

i heard he wasnt on the board because callahan though he wouldnt fit in the zone blocking scheme

 

[TTexasTT]

Yes they did. Go to a majority of pre draft scouting reports and almost all mention needing Dline help switching to the 4-3. It doesn't matter if you have 4 guys in their 30s who look fine. You draft for the long haul. No one thought..."more TE." They did say we need dline

My third example adding to that FACT vs your message board thoughts

http://www.sbnation.com/nfl-mock-draft/2013/4/24/4258118/2013-nfl-draft-team-needs-dallas-cowboys

Stop spinning things. You constantly do this when confronted with your falsehoods. Just like the Frederick post above

I dont need you to keep cherry picking articles to support your claims.
Basically youre trying to tell me that before the draft that defensive line was a top priority. Im not going to go around finding the thousands of articles saying that the Offensive line was by far the biggest need. Id even say that Safety play was needed more desperately than D-Line.

The Fredrick post was indeed proving how silly you have looked time and time again. Do you honestly want anyone to put any stock into a article that claimed that the Fredrick pick was poor? Thats just not how things go. So, please dig up more articles.... Doesnt really matter, you couldnt make yourself any less of a valid source at this point.

BTW- Ignored.

 

[Dwight]

Yes they did. Go to a majority of pre draft scouting reports and almost all mention needing Dline help switching to the 4-3. It doesn't matter if you have 4 guys in their 30s who look fine. You draft for the long haul. No one thought..."more TE." They did say we need dline

My third example adding to that FACT vs your message board thoughts

http://www.sbnation.com/nfl-mock-draft/2013/4/24/4258118/2013-nfl-draft-team-needs-dallas-cowboys

http://m.bleacherreport.com/article...ll-needs-to-fill-in-the-2013-nfl-draft/page/3

Stop spinning things. You constantly do this when confronted with your falsehoods. Just like the Frederick post above. You add the Josh Brent situation and Dline was key

HoustonFrog, if anybody thinks that the dline was okay during last offseason was not aware of the teams weaknesses. Your wasting your time arguing with someone who does not know what's going on. Anybody who had watched Dallas for the last three years knew that Dallas needed talent on the dline.

 

[AbeBeta]

I keep going back to last year's pick of Escobar and scratching my head and wondering why they would take him when there were a couple of highly rated guards on the board (including Warford) when we were on the clock and selected Escobar. We could have avoided paying Water's salary last year by taking a guy like Warford.

In my mind about the only way that the Escobar pick makes sense is if Jason Witten's days (and cap hit) are numbered and we were looking for his replacement.

We had Warford rated as a 4th round pick. That's the answer to why we didn't take him