Escobar pick really only makes sense if

[Alexander]

We had Warford rated as a 4th round pick. That's the answer to why we didn't take him

You must be thinking of Earl Watford.

He was not on the "leaked draft board".

 

[Miller]

I dont need you to keep cherry picking articles to support your claims.
Basically youre trying to tell me that before the draft that defensive line was a top priority. Im not going to go around finding the thousands of articles saying that the Offensive line was by far the biggest need. Id even say that Safety play was needed more desperately than D-Line.

The Fredrick post was indeed proving how silly you have looked time and time again. Do you honestly want anyone to put any stock into a article that claimed that the Fredrick pick was poor? Thats just not how things go. So, please dig up more articles.... Doesnt really matter, you couldnt make yourself any less of a valid source at this point.

BTW- Ignored.

Typical. Lose an Argument and run away. For all of those reading this is how you don't debate. The man said dline was not an issue when we took Escobar. Nowhere did I say online or safety wasn't important. In fact I mentioned safety. The debate was was dline a priority. This is where reading comprehension helps before putting people on ignore.

From the Frederick article and the bolder part he basically skipped and didn't scroll too. From nfl.com

The depth at the position seriously is lacking. I'd be worried about the team's run defense. The Cowboys also have a scary lack of depth at the rest of the front seven positions. There was a dramatic defensive change schematically in Dallas this offseason, which usually is followed by adding a lot of new players to fit the new scheme.

 

[big dog cowboy]

In my mind about the only way that the Escobar pick makes sense is if Jason Witten's days (and cap hit) are numbered and we were looking for his replacement.

You don't think Jason will play forever do you? Neither did the Cowboys.

 

[TTexasTT]

You don't think Jason will play forever do you? Neither did the Cowboys.

Definately wasnt a strong need at this time he was drafted... Especially that high. I expect him to benefit greatly from playing behind Witten for a while. The guy has amazing talent.

 

[AbeBeta]

You must be thinking of Earl Watford.

He was not on the "leaked draft board".

Broaddus has mentioned a few times that we had a 4th round grade on him. Either way -- the reason we didn't take him was because he didn't have a 2nd round grade

 

[Miller]

HoustonFrog, if anybody thinks that the dline was okay during last offseason was not aware of the teams weaknesses. Your wasting your time arguing with someone who does not know what's going on. Anybody who had watched Dallas for the last three years knew that Dallas needed talent on the dline.

Well the guy has serious reading comprehension issues. He skipped half the articles and couldn't even stick to the debate ...was dline a priority at that point of the draft? The answer was obviously yes above TE but some people can't accept facts or follow along. When frustrated spinning happens

 

[Verdict]

Definately wasnt a strong need at this time he was drafted... Especially that high. I expect him to benefit greatly from playing behind Witten for a while. The guy has amazing talent.

I'm not opposed to drafting the best player available, in fact I advocate that strategy. But Escobar appears to be more of a project. I'm not sure I would have taken a project that high.

 

[Verdict]

You don't think Jason will play forever do you? Neither did the Cowboys.

Isn't that what I said?

 

[jterrell]

The crying over Escobar is probably going to make people look very dumb in short order.

He is a talented athlete with very rare physical traits.
He was raw as rain and couldn't block anyone yet but he was a guy they targeted as a long-term replacement for Witten as a pass catcher.
Something Witten's future HOF nod will attest this offense uses plenty of.

Warford was not on the board. Be it injury, health or scheme they didn't regard him as draftable here.

They did like Bennie Logan but only had an R3 grade on him.

Crying over an OG makes little to no sense yet is non-stop. Dallas had a good OG tandem all year and in fact ended up with 3 truly quality OGs on the roster.

 

[jterrell]

I'm not opposed to drafting the best player available, in fact I advocate that strategy. But Escobar appears to be more of a project. I'm not sure I would have taken a project that high.

Paid off for Sean Lee who essentially had to injury redshirt.
Dallas shown a willingness to take the best talent in R2 and forget their rookie season.

Not sure we've got enough info to say that's a great plan or a terrible one at this point as results have been very mixed.

 

[jterrell]

Well the guy has serious reading comprehension issues. He skipped half the articles and couldn't even stick to the debate ...was dline a priority at that point of the draft? The answer was obviously yes above TE but some people can't accept facts or follow along. When frustrated spinning happens

Actually you are the one not accepting facts.
We did not draft any DL and in fact the DC said he didn't have enough chairs for them in the meeting.

Just because you disagree with the team's plan doesn't change it or put you in charge of it.
They clearly liked Escobar and TE more than Logan and DT last year.

Maybe they'd change their minds on re-draft but what they did given the choice is irrefutable.
They had a top 10 grade on a DT that fell but traded away from him.
This is a team that trades up for fallers they are targeting.

Dallas had older, aging studs on the DL.
Injury and money issues were very fair concerns but it is also fair to say Dallas felt the back ups and future starters were in many cases already on this roster.
Crawford, Bass, Wilber. The team LOVED it's DL. It's starters and it's DEPTH.

 

[Miller]

Actually you are the one not accepting facts.
We did not draft any DL and in fact the DC said he didn't have enough chairs for them in the meeting.

Just because you disagree with the team's plan doesn't change it or put you in charge of it.
They clearly liked Escobar and TE more than Logan and DT last year.

Maybe they'd change their minds on re-draft but what they did given the choice is irrefutable.
They had a top 10 grade on a DT that fell but traded away from him.
This is a team that trades up for fallers they are targeting.

Dallas had older, aging studs on the DL.
Injury and money issues were very fair concerns but it is also fair to say Dallas felt the back ups and future starters were in many cases already on this roster.
Crawford, Bass, Wilber. The team LOVED it's DL. It's starters and it's DEPTH.

Wrong, again try reading comprehension. The poster said that Dline wasn't a priority because we were loaded upfront. The reality of that was false. Going into the draft most experts mentioned the new scheme, lack of depth and age/contracts. All were true. Just because a D coach and the team skipped it doesn't mean it wasn't reality. It also bore out when injuries hit and we had no one to help.

The question was basic. Did we have enough Dline compared to taking TE,. The answer is easy. No. All you're doing is showing why we are in this constant predicament....they don't do the right thing. The fact that they though Dline was a plus, despite the obvious, shows why we are always 8-8. Under your theory..."if the Cowboys says it, its good enough for me." Wake up.

I'm not sure why there are people who call themselves fans and yet argue until they're blue in the face about things that were obviously wrong. If you think 4 guys around and over 30 with injuries, contract issues, etc aren't a concern then you are blindly listening to Jerry and nodding your head. Depth was an obvious issue and the articles and analysis I posted already stated as such in detail. This isn't random opinion, this is/was well known fact.

Again, from nfl.com right after draft, cite a few pages back

The depth at the position seriously is lacking. I'd be worried about the team's run defense. The Cowboys also have a scary lack of depth at the rest of the front seven positions. There was a dramatic defensive change schematically in Dallas this offseason, which usually is followed by adding a lot of new players to fit the new scheme.

 

[Risen Star]

Esco was, and still is, a good pick.

That Redheaded suck bag just doesn't know how to get him the dang football.

People keep clamoring for Warford, but what team would spend a first and second round pick on the interior of the OL? Thats dumb to me.

Wow.

Just wow.

 

[Verdict]

The crying over Escobar is probably going to make people look very dumb in short order.

He is a talented athlete with very rare physical traits.
He was raw as rain and couldn't block anyone yet but he was a guy they targeted as a long-term replacement for Witten as a pass catcher.
Something Witten's future HOF nod will attest this offense uses plenty of.

Warford was not on the board. Be it injury, health or scheme they didn't regard him as draftable here.

They did like Bennie Logan but only had an R3 grade on him.

Crying over an OG makes little to no sense yet is non-stop. Dallas had a good OG tandem all year and in fact ended up with 3 truly quality OGs on the roster.

Who was the third quality guard on the roster once Waters went down? Waters' cap hit is too high and is a luxury that we cannot afford given our cap situation. I do agree that notwithstanding the foregoing that our line was adequate in the second half of the season.

 

[Verdict]

Wrong, again try reading comprehension. The poster said that Dline wasn't a priority because we were loaded upfront. The reality of that was false. Going into the draft most experts mentioned the new scheme, lack of depth and age/contracts. All were true. Just because a D coach and the team skipped it doesn't mean it wasn't reality. It also bore out when injuries hit and we had no one to help.

The question was basic. Did we have enough Dline compared to taking TE,. The answer is easy. No. All you're doing is showing why we are in this constant predicament....they don't do the right thing. The fact that they though Dline was a plus, despite the obvious, shows why we are always 8-8. Under your theory..."if the Cowboys says it, its good enough for me." Wake up.

I'm not sure why there are people who call themselves fans and yet argue until they're blue in the face about things that were obviously wrong. If you think 4 guys around and over 30 with injuries, contract issues, etc aren't a concern then you are blindly listening to Jerry and nodding your head. Depth was an obvious issue and the articles and analysis I posted already stated as such in detail. This isn't random opinion, this is/was well known fact.

Again, from nfl.com right after draft, cite a few pages back

In fairness, our defensive line's depth was at best unproven or nonexistant if we stayed totally healthy all year long. If we had stayed healthy all year, it is at least plausible that we would have had a pretty decent defensive line. But we didn't. If a worm had a machine gun .......birds wouldn't try to eat them.

 

[Risen Star]

Who was the third quality guard on the roster once Waters went down? Waters' cap hit is too high and is a luxury that we cannot afford given our cap situation. I do agree that notwithstanding the foregoing that our line was adequate in the second half of the season.

There is no chance Gavin Escobar is ever a better player than Larry Warford. Zero. Zilch. Nada. It's not happening. They can save this post and forget about it when I'm right. In one short year it's already a laughable comparison.

And this is coming from a guy who actually liked Travis Frederick before the draft, not somebody calling him a huge reach as a 1st round projection and has now done a 180 on him. Now he's telling you don't sweat Warford. Excuse me if I don't take his word for it.

Barring unforeseen injury, Larry Warford will have a ten plus year career making the Cowboys front office look like flaming jack#@%^#.

 

[Future]

Wow.

Just wow.

Cool story bro.

 

[Risen Star]

Cool story bro.

Tell me again how it's stupid to draft two quality interior linemen with your first two picks.

 

[Zekeats]

warford wasnt on the cowboys board

Which makes things even worse

 

[DFWJC]

They didn't believe that Warford was a good fit in their Zone Blocking Scheme. They hired to coaches to implement that scheme, Callahan and Frank Pollack. The ZBS is one of the reasons that Doug Free was better this year. It allowed him to function in a way that he can't function as a power blocker.

You wouldn't draft a 3-4 NT if you're a 4-3 team and you wouldn't change from 4-3 to a 3-4 just because 1 player is available in the draft that fits the other scheme.

Fwiw, it's worth, I think Warford would have been just fine in this scheme.
I also like Eddie Lacy, Terron Armstead, Leveon Bell and others in that spot...
but I wasn't drafting though.

Escobar will hopefully be just fine.