ESPN: DeMarcus Ware to have surgery

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Maybe we are wrong about the core group of veterans on this team, but the commitment to win doesn't really seem to be there. I'm not saying they don't want to win just like I won't say I'd turn down the salary of a major corp CEO; I just don't want to put in the time they do to get there and stay there. I say this because I remember reading on here one of the reasons Austin keeps having hammy problems is because he will not do the rehab work because it is to hard... These guys really don't have the "it" necessary to go to a SB it seems. BTW I am not including Witten in that group he has the heart of a lion, and definitely does what it takes, the rest seem to like the paycheck.

James Gang redux.

I don't care what anybody on this site says, nobody will convince me that romo/witten/ware care as much about winning as aikman/irvin/emmitt.

I was watching an interview the other day with aikman/irvin, TILL THIS DAY they cannot get over the 94 nfc title game loss. They raged when we lost. They hated it more than anything. Losses do not bother this core group the same way. Maybe Witten, but even he is not on the level of the triplets. This is why I've been waiting day and night for Jerry to turn the page on this core group. They are LOSERS, period.

As for Miles Austin, I have no words for that bum. They day he is no longer on this roster will be the best day as a Cowboys fan in 2 years. Having him try to "mentor" Dez i laughable. I do not want Dez taking any of his qualities. Dez is cut from the same cloth as Irvin, Miles is cut from terrycloth....that means he's very soft.
 

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I think, more than likely, this will be a relatively straightforward recovery that's well within the time available before any OTAs, and the guy just chose to get some relaxing in after the season prior to having it done. If you've got 12 weeks off, or whatever, and have a procedure that takes a hypothetical 3-4 to recover from, it's obviously better to do it as soon as possible, but I don't have a real issue with him getting it done in week 3 of his vacation time with the idea of being back to full strength at the end of week 7, a full 4 weeks before the earliest camp.

He was on the ski slopes just 3 weeks ago. He should have had tests and made decision before heading to Colorado. NO ACCOUNTABILITY...He knows he's getting paid either way.
 

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I'm glad it will be over... I think Ware will have a 12-15 sack season in 2014.
 

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Cmon now, Ware would not have been able to go skiing if he got the surgery. After he recovered, the snow would have been melted!

Seriously, at least he is getting it done now and I hear it is a 4-5 week recovery is all.

Priorities.
The man's gotta ski, darnit!
 

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He was a beast in camp last season so this kind of makes sense to me. I believe the cap figures say it's 8 mill next season even if you cut him, and a restructure would lower the 12 mill cap hit for next season if we keep him. I'd rather have him take a pay cut of course. But I think keeping Ware around makes more sense than franchising Spencer last year. He was dominating Tyron Smith in one-on-one drills before this elbow thing happened. With this fixed, maybe he regains his dominance. It's a bet I think Jerry should make, and I bet he will.
 

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Ware had this same mindset when he was getting 20 sacks a yr. You liked it then

Liked what? The twenty sacks? Yes.
Being hobbled the next two years and putting off healing so he can ski while being paid millions to do his job to the best of his ability for the little time he can do it?
No.
 

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May I repeat Good Lord....

Did you happen to see him tearing down the slopes...? Was he the reason Shaun White only finished 4th?

I have been too ski lodges and never put on a ski. If he not allowed to go outside? Is making a snow man out?

I know I am a maverick with wild ideas but how about we wait and see if he even misses one practice before freaking out. It is February....

I love your posts.
I say it repeatedly and like most of them.
BUT- GOOD LORD.
The man is being paid MILLIONS to do a job.
Why did you even bring Shaun White up?
The man has been hurting the last two years and it's been affecting his effectiveness.
Take pride in what you do. Get healed. Come back better than ever.
Don't make skiing more important than what you get paid millions to do.
GET THE SURGERY! HEAL!!! Come back better!!! You're not getting any younger!!!
What is so hard about wrapping your head around that?
 

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Funny how it comes out that there's a 50/50 chance Ware gets cuts and suddenly, surgery is something he needs. Guess skipping training camp next season after delaying surgery until then doesn't look so appealing when he might be looking for another team.

I like Ware a lot, but this just wreaks of wrong. If he needed surgery, he should have already taken care of it so he would have longer to recover and also deal with any issues that could possibly pop up over it.

He probably wanted vacation time. Or maybe just time to straighten things out in his personal life......(I think I heard he and his wife split? I dunno).

Either way, I can't foresee that he wouldn't have time to recover. He's got 5 months until camp starts. If he can't recover now then his arm is probably so shot he wouldn't have recovered if he had surgery the day after the Cowboys game.
 

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He was a beast in camp last season so this kind of makes sense to me. I believe the cap figures say it's 8 mill next season even if you cut him, and a restructure would lower the 12 mill cap hit for next season if we keep him. I'd rather have him take a pay cut of course. But I think keeping Ware around makes more sense than franchising Spencer last year. He was dominating Tyron Smith in one-on-one drills before this elbow thing happened. With this fixed, maybe he regains his dominance. It's a bet I think Jerry should make, and I bet he will.

It's another bet that Jerry will lose. Guarantee the guy is plagued with injuries again next year. He has a multiple body parts hurting according to him during his exit media session. If the elbow is fixed, something else will pop up. If you want to bring him back as a part-time player (since he takes several plays off now and does not practice much anymore), then he must take a pay cut.

2 years ago the Colts made a tough decision in cutting Peyton Manning. When is this franchise going to have some cajones and do the same. Idk what is preventing this franchise from making tough decisions with their over the hill players. We never want to get rid of them until they are in a wheelchair. Free, Ratliff, Ware, Miles, Romo....hanging on till the bitter end.
 

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Funny how it comes out that there's a 50/50 chance Ware gets cuts and suddenly, surgery is something he needs. Guess skipping training camp next season after delaying surgery until then doesn't look so appealing when he might be looking for another team.

I like Ware a lot, but this just wreaks of wrong. If he needed surgery, he should have already taken care of it so he would have longer to recover and also deal with any issues that could possibly pop up over it.

You have no idea what his doctors have been advising him to do and it is ignorant for you to speculate what his motives are.
 

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We obviously didn't get all the details from this article as to exactly why the surgery was delayed as it was. It sounds like some of the solution to the problem was attempted through rest. Without the benefit of more info, it's impossible to know whether or not the appropriate course was taken. If Ware somehow is able to return to his former level of effectiveness, it'd be great but I'm pretty sure no guarantees will be forthcoming. Hopefully it will be handled properly. Ware seems optimistic, although it's definitely to his advantage to take that stance. It's troubling.
 

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You have no idea what his doctors have been advising him to do and it is ignorant for you to speculate what his motives are.

You mean he can't just decide to get his elbow cut on? That's crazy.
 

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The butthurt is strong in this thread.

A medical diagnosis, especially in the event of surgery, isn't diagnosed overnight. People are acting like this process occurs in a 48 hour window, like they run an MRI and then just slap him down on a table ready to operate akin to changing a muffler.

In this event i'm sure they ran nerve damage tests, saw how he reacted to anti-inflammatory's, and probably other various things that are important and most of us wouldn't understand. I'm also sure, as any other person would have done, he probably got a second opinion and went through the process again.

Regardless, excluding some type of medical mishap, he won't be missing any of training camp. This isn't an ACL, there's really nothing to "recover" from so as long as the doctor is competent he'll be fully recovered in 6-8 weeks.
 

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I have to give the guy the benefit of the doubt: could be that there was swelling or other conditions in the joint that had to be dealt with before the doctors could recommend surgery or not.

It sure didn't stop his *** from skiing a month ago....He has seen the way Jerry does business. And all he is here to do is collect checks. I don't see a guy that wants to put forth the effort to win anymore.
 

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The butthurt is strong in this thread.

A medical diagnosis, especially in the event of surgery, isn't diagnosed overnight. People are acting like this process occurs in a 48 hour window, like they run an MRI and then just slap him down on a table ready to operate akin to changing a muffler.

In this event i'm sure they ran nerve damage tests, saw how he reacted to anti-inflammatory's, and probably other various things that are important and most of us wouldn't understand. I'm also sure, as any other person would have done, he probably got a second opinion and went through the process again.

Regardless, excluding some type of medical mishap, he won't be missing any of training camp. This isn't an ACL, there's really nothing to "recover" from so as long as the doctor is competent he'll be fully recovered in 6-8 weeks.

Any injury that has been plaguing him to such a degree that his play has fallen off so far and has lasted 2 years seems pretty major. And we have been down this road too many times as fans to be anything less than skeptical. Spencer was a couple weeks before it was micro-fracture. Ratliff was a groin strain in the off-season, then 4 weeks, then the season. Lee isn't supposed to miss a game with his neck injury, then it's the season. Austin's hamstrings have plagued him for multiple seasons, usually a 2 week injury.....etc...

A month wasted now, may very well be important later.
 

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It sure didn't stop his *** from skiing a month ago....He has seen the way Jerry does business. And all he is here to do is collect checks. I don't see a guy that wants to put forth the effort to win anymore.

Get over yourself.
 

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Any injury that has been plaguing him to such a degree that his play has fallen off so far and has lasted 2 years seems pretty major. And we have been down this road too many times as fans to be anything less than skeptical. Spencer was a couple weeks before it was micro-fracture. Ratliff was a groin strain in the off-season, then 4 weeks, then the season. Lee isn't supposed to miss a game with his neck injury, then it's the season. Austin's hamstrings have plagued him for multiple seasons, usually a 2 week injury.....etc...

A month wasted now, may very well be important later.

You got a point......too many coincidences here. Players are raking Jerry over the coals.
 

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You have no idea what his doctors have been advising him to do and it is ignorant for you to speculate what his motives are.

I know that it seems like every year we have one or two players, usually starters, who go into the off-season with something wrong who either 1) choose to not have surgery and opt for rest or 2) wait to have surgery until right before the start of training camp and then they are unavailable for part or all of the season or they are a shadow of the player they were all because of the injury that didn't heal on its own or because they are still in recovery from the surgery they had right before the season started.

It's obvious that Ware has not been a good player for the last two years. He was one of the most dominate defensive players in the league for many years and his play has dropped off considerably. He is being paid a ton of money to be that player still and assuming his abilities have not declined considerably like he has shown in the last 1.5 years, he would be smart to get whatever surgery(ies) he needs to get back to full health.

I posted a week or so ago that I was okay with him not having the surgery when it came out he chose to not have it as long as he did not wait until close to training camp to "suddenly need surgery" which would keep him out of training camp and the preseason and then give him another season's long excuse of "recovery" as the reason he is not playing well then.

But then the media starts to discuss that there's a chance the Cowboys could cut Ware and he starts to think that he might be looking for another team next year (doubtful, but not certain either). Then suddenly he realizes that the 31 other teams may not be that interested in a player at his performance level over the last couple of years for anything other than a low-price incentive-laden contract. Amazingly, news comes out that he's getting surgery and he openly admits that he's been in severe pain because of the injury for over a year.

I'm honestly tired of players getting paid big contracts and not doing what they can to put themselves in a position to earn that money. I really like players like Austin, Romo, Ware, Spencer, etc. (they have not only been great players, but also great people), but they need to get back on the field especially by the start of training camp so they can get ready for the season and, more importantly, play at the level they are capable of for the whole season (16+ games).

It's been proven time and time again that when it comes to Cowboys players having a choice between surgery or rest, they tend to choose rest and we have been burned almost every time because of it. For most of us, rest is always the best option over surgery, but for NFL players who have short careers, their goal should be to get healthy long before the next season gets here so they can either earn the contract they currently have or get a big contract with another team that has faith in their ability to play at the same high level they have shown in the past.
 
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