ESPN Insider: Polling NFL execs: Would you rather have Wentz or Prescott?

[Clove]

Zeke and the offensive line are critical and anyone would be lucky to have them.

Philly has talented skill players that don't produce. Our guys produce. That's the biggest difference Imo

Philly's defense is the equivalent of our offensive line. Their defense absolutely destroyed Minnesota's offense. This balances out the offensive line of Dallas which destroys defenses. So IMO, these two are on even playing fields.

Plus, Dak without Dez and Tyron for a few games yet still moving this machine along.

 

[Redball Express]

I said this in another thread, but if you believed in the arm talent of Goff and Wentz before the draft, I still think you would play that card out because special arm talent is hard to find. But Dak would have to be no worse than the 3rd QB taken now, and likely a first rounder. Great value from the 4th, obviously.

So much success depends on the offense they are coupled with.

Look at the Rams QB.

He can't even get on the field.

Obviously..they are going to have to change the offense to be more friendly.

So it depends on how the coaches see the player.

Fortunately, Lineman is calling the right stuff.

I suspect it's a similar offense to the one he wanted to run with Kellen Moore.

More mobility, attacking the edges of the defense and timing short passes to control the clock.

That is what we saw with Moore in the final game last year with over 400 yds.

It hasn't change much for DAK except he has Zeke now.

Big difference.

 

[CATCH17]

Brady had the best defense in football those back to back years, and he had receivers open all over the field, thanks to the genius of Bill Belichick. Brady didn't get touched in that SB vs Carolina. He played pitch and catch with open receivers all night, but its all Brady. He's benefited from being in the greatest situation a QB has ever been in the same way Dak is benefiting from the situation he fell into.

The year Rodgers won the SB was the year he got to play a soft Falcons team, Jay Cutler, and the equivalent of the 96 Cowboys or the 96 49ers in the 2010 Steelers. And he had TONS of weapons. Jordy Nelson wasn't even a starter then.

I'm with you on all of that except that Packer team being great.. They were decimated with injuries.


Having a lot of great skill players doesn't really matter. Cowboys fans should know that.

We are winning now because we have an elite OL. If having elite skill players won championships Romo would have 1 by now.

But when you go to places like Minnesota and the pass rush just stops everything you're doing then it really doesn't matter who your skill guys are.. Especially when Jason Garrett is wanting everything to be vertical.

 

[CowboyChris]

I'm gonna stick with my original thoughts on this subject.

I still believe Goff will be the better QB over Wentz
Wentz is another RGIII type of QB. Takes unnecessary hits, a true dink and dunker, doesn't read defenses well, injury proned and throws the ball up for grabs etc etc

As for Dak vs Wentz

Dak is more battle tested than Wentz having played in the SEC.
Comparing Wentz to Big Ben because they are both tall QBs is ridiculous
Wentz has struggled the last 3 weeks imo, his first 2 games were the Browns and Bears...people were fooled.

 

[NextGenBoys]

After watching the HBO show following the Rams this training camp, I have to wonder did the Rams even have a conversation with Goff. He seems less than par on his knowledge and curiosity about the game. I immediately thought of the QB playing for Chicago, Cutler.

Never understood the love for Goff.

Then again, I said the same about Aaron Rodgers coming out of Cal in 05, so what do I know.

 

[haleyrules]

I would rather have Prescott since he already plays for the Cowboys.

 

[Gameover]

We are winning now because we have an elite OL. If having elite skill players won championships Romo would have 1 by now.

"I never went into a game excited about what I had at offensive line" "I went into games excited about what I had at the skill positions" - Coach Joe Avezzano

We are winning because of good talent(elite talent in a lot of spots) across the board, Dak is playing at an elite level, and Coach Rod and Coach Linehan.

That OL wouldn't lead you no where if Cassel was still under center. believe that

 

[Ken]

**waits for the but Wentz dinks and dunks and has sucked the last three games and these execs dont know what they are talking about crowd**

Well...he does.

And for them to say that Wentz goes through his progressions better clearly means to me that they don't know or have not really watched both play. I have yet to see Wentz go through 4 progessions on a play and have seen Dak do it routinely.

Notice since Wentz had to play better defenses or defences in the division, his production has dropped because they aren't falling for the 2 yard and less pass.....

 

[Macnalty]

Never understood the love for Goff.

Then again, I said the same about Aaron Rodgers coming out of Cal in 05, so what do I know.

I can barely remember that draft other than Demarcus Ware was my guy. I liked Merriman also but DWare was ahead in my book. I also had to lookup Jay Ratliff who turned out to be very talented but troubled. Back to Rodgers he seemed like a decent pick nothing to write home about at the time.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

No it's not. I'm sorry if some of you can't see that. The days of checking down to Dunbar over and over are done.

Dallas has a east and west game now.

We're not stupidly running directly into 2 tanks like we were week 1 against the Giants.

The plays may be the same but the timing of the call has changed.

We've NEVER taken advantage of crowded boxes like we are right now and it changed after week 1 when the coach had no answer for the Giants being able to take away the run and Dez both.

Checking down to Dunbar is a option Dak has when nothing else is open. There are options to check down now he just doesn't do it. Its all about the quarterback. I'm not going to downplay Dak's skill set or give the Kellen Moore's or Brandon Weeden's of thew world the benefit of the doubt because they are what they are.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

**waits for the but Wentz dinks and dunks and has sucked the last three games and these execs dont know what they are talking about crowd**

Uhhh but all he does is dink and dunk and he has struggled these last 3 games lol.

 

[Macnalty]

I actually believed Jerry when he said that they weren't going to draft a QB at that spot, even if it was Wentz or Goff. I think they felt at that salary slot they wanted to get someone they anticipated would play right away. I think they were much more comfortable with Lynch's salary slot. Would have been interesting though.

I will say they hid the love for Zeke better than they normally do, I was stunned it was not Ramsey. Not drafting Goff at 4 would of been a PR disaster IMO if he was available and would of had Jerry mumbling for weeks. We are having a run of luck in this Front Office.

 

[Direwolf63]

I think with most "experts", they are infactuated with Wentz's physical attributes and not fully considering who has really outperformed who at this level. I think the same is true for the Wentz cheerleaders in CZ, and the fact that they want to say they were right..

The scouts are not talking about who has played better to date. But who still has more upside.

While Dak has been the better of the 2, especially recently, they still see Wentz as the guy with the higher ceiling and therefore the guy they'd rather take going forward.

 

[tyke1doe]

Brady had the best defense in football those back to back years, and he had receivers open all over the field, thanks to the genius of Bill Belichick. Brady didn't get touched in that SB vs Carolina. He played pitch and catch with open receivers all night, but its all Brady. He's benefited from being in the greatest situation a QB has ever been in the same way Dak is benefiting from the situation he fell into

I agree with you only slightly. Brady has been to six Super Bowls and has won four. He has been to an astonishing 10 AFC Championship Games. In that run, defensive players have changed. His offensive scheme has changed. But he remains the same.

If you get to the Super Bowl one time, okay, maybe it's the scheme.
Twice? Okay, maybe it's the coach and the scheme.
Thrice? Maybe the quarterback is just that good.
Four times? Okay your quarterback is a legend.
Five times? No doubts he's a legend.
Six times? Why isn't he in Canton by now?

I'm not saying you're doing this, but fans try to minimize Brady by saying he benefts from a great defense. How many defensive players has Brady played with who are headed for the Hall of Fame? Maybe Rodney Harrison but even he's not a sure bet.

Furthermore, Brady has played with has-beens at receiver. Yes, he had an aged Moss and Gronkowski (who has mostly been injured when it's time to play the Super Bowl), but he has been carrying guys. I said after his second Super Bowl, he would likely end his career with six Super Bowl rings. I FULLY expect the Patriots to be in the Super Bowl this year.

Enough with this minimization of Brady. He is the best quarterback of the 21st Century. It's not even close.

 

[NextGenBoys]

I can barely remember that draft other than Demarcus Ware was my guy. I liked Merriman also but DWare was ahead in my book. I also had to lookup Jay Ratliff who turned out to be very talented but troubled. Back to Rodgers he seemed like a decent pick nothing to write home about at the time.

The 2005 draft is what inspired my username, NextGenBoys. Ware, Spears, Burnett, Barber, Ratliff, Canty, even Rob Petiti who's father was a member on here for awhile...and my favorite that never got a fair shot due to injury Justin Beriault....that dude would have been a legit safety. It was a new generation, and this 2016 draft is yet again, a new generation of Cowboys.

Time flies.

 

[kevm3]

Performance wise Dak is better.


Most people like Wentz better than Dak if all things are = because Wentz has protypical everything. He's an elite talent. Aaron Rodgers in Big Bens body.

You give Wentz the best OL in pro football, the leagues leading rusher, a top slot WR, Jason Witten, and Dez Bryant and you will see his game improve as well.

Give Dak a defense in which he only has to score 7 points or so to win the game and Philly probably is 6 and 0 right now. Dez hasn't even been playing the past few games, so we can take him out of the equation. Until Lane Johnson went out, Philly's O-line was looking just as great as ours in pass protection. Wentz had all day to throw. Sproles and Mathews aren't quite on the level of Elliott, but they were torching some of the other offenses. Wentz would just toss the ball to Sproles and he would take off 10 yards down the field.

 

[erod]

In a pure all things equal poll, I'd take Wentz over Dak right now however I'd take Zeke plus Dak plus keeping all our picks 1000x over Wentz. Getting a potential HOFer RB and a franchise QB in the same draft is almost unfair, it's up there with getting Romo and Miles as UDFAs or Brady with a sixth round pick. It's lucky, although I believe you largely make you own luck. And I'd take Dak with my fourth I've him too. Ha

Therein lies the bigger picture answer.

 

[ConceptCoop]

Did these guys watch Wentz play last sunday? He was over throwing wide open WRs. Stop praising these qbs with big arms and no accuracy. I've seen or wr drop dimes from Prescott.

Wentz is a more accurate passer than Dak. He has a lot more arm talent, quite frankly. A couple bad games during his rookie season, with poor offensive line play isn't going to change that.

 

[ConceptCoop]

Wentz is the obvious choice. Outside of Dallas Cowboys fans, I'm sure he's the consensus. People have to remember that he was drafted as a bit of a project, based on his crazy high upside. That's still there, except he's not the project most thought he would be. Dak has been great and I'm so stoked to have him. But he still looks like a bus driver. A calm, collected, clutch bus driver who can win a lot of games with the right pieces around him, sure. But a bus driver none the less. Think Russell Wilson. Wentz on the other hand, has elite upside. He's got the intangibles but also has elite arm talent and physical ability. Think Ben Roethlisberger. I love Wilson and we'll have a damn fine franchise QB if Dak proves to be as good as him. But he's still no Ben Roethlisberger.

 

[Oh_Canada]

Fair summary. I take either as one exec said and be happy, but getting Dak in the fourth is nothing short of a miracle!