ESPN Insider: Polling NFL execs: Would you rather have Wentz or Prescott?

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Play calling is exactly the same. Linehan and Garrett are the same playcallers they e been.


No it's not. I'm sorry if some of you can't see that. The days of checking down to Dunbar over and over are done.

Dallas has a east and west game now.

We're not stupidly running directly into 2 tanks like we were week 1 against the Giants.

The plays may be the same but the timing of the call has changed.

We've NEVER taken advantage of crowded boxes like we are right now and it changed after week 1 when the coach had no answer for the Giants being able to take away the run and Dez both.
 

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Zeke and the offensive line are critical and anyone would be lucky to have them.

Philly has talented skill players that don't produce. Our guys produce. That's the biggest difference Imo

Fair enough. I don't think it takes away from Dak because he's surrounded by talent. Nevertheless, I think the Cowboys talent on offense is better than the Eagles offensive talent. I think the Eagles have an advantage on defense.
 

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No it's not. I'm sorry if some of you can't see that. The days of checking down to Dunbar over and over are done.

Dallas has a east and west game now.

We're not stupidly running directly into 2 tanks like we were week 1 against the Giants.

The plays may be the same but the timing of the call has changed.

We've NEVER taken advantage of crowded boxes like we are right now and it changed after week 1 when the coach had no answer for the Giants being to take away the run and Dez both.

I don't know what it is but this playbook seems to fit Prescott like a glove. He has unlimited power to make calls at the line and Linehan raves about what he can do with Prescott.
 

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Thing is, their level of play was more similar early in the season than it has been lately. There's a long way to go, let's see where they both end up. Wentz is a good rookie QB, but he's still got a ways to go on his own mechanics and decision making. How these guys continue to improve ends up answering the question of who's better. For me, give me the guy with the better production and we can put aside the qualifiers. Better offense or not, Dak's out played the other rookie QBs to this point of the season. The rest doesn't really matter as long as he keeps getting better and better.
This is why i dont understand this endless discussion. Arguing about the minutia is for the losers. Colts fans loved touting mannings regular season numbers every time brady won another ring. Lions fans loved talking about sanders dynamic running while emmitt kept grinding out the most rushing yards and tds ever. Dallas is rolling so ill worry about picking their careers apart later. Right now, i'll take Dallas and their personel over Philly and theirs. I dont care what Wentz is doing because Dak is a guy that the Cowboys can win with.
 
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Thing is, their level of play was more similar early in the season than it has been lately. There's a long way to go, let's see where they both end up. Wentz is a good rookie QB, but he's still got a ways to go on his own mechanics and decision making. How these guys continue to improve ends up answering the question of who's better. For me, give me the guy with the better production and we can put aside the qualifiers. Better offense or not, Dak's out played the other rookie QBs to this point of the season. The rest doesn't really matter as long as he keeps getting better and better.
I would love to see an actual statistical argument in favor of Wentz at this point in their careers. Truth is people here and elsewhere are falling back on an appaeal to authority instead of confronting the reality that they aren't all that close in terms of performance.
 

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I would love to see an actual statistical argument in favor of Wentz at this point in their careers. Truth is people here and elsewhere are falling back on an appaeal to authority instead of confronting the reality that they aren't all that close in terms of performance.


Performance wise Dak is better.


Most people like Wentz better than Dak if all things are = because Wentz has protypical everything. He's an elite talent. Aaron Rodgers in Big Bens body.

You give Wentz the best OL in pro football, the leagues leading rusher, a top slot WR, Jason Witten, and Dez Bryant and you will see his game improve as well.
 

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Performance wise Dak is better.


Most people like Wentz better than Dak if all things are = because Wentz has protypical everything. He's an elite talent. Aaron Rodgers in Big Bens body.

You give Wentz the best OL in pro football, the leagues leading rusher, a top slot WR, Jason Witten, and Dez Bryant and you will see his game improve as well.

That's part of the problem, though. With everything they had to give up to get Wentz, it's hard to give him all of those other pieces. Don't get me wrong, I think you're dead right. But his cost was so high they are going to have to really get lucky in the draft to get those other pieces.
 

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That's part of the problem, though. With everything they had to give up to get Wentz, it's hard to give him all of those other pieces. Don't get me wrong, I think you're dead right. But his cost was so high they are going to have to really get lucky in the draft to get those other pieces.


The Vikings saved their drafts.
 

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I said this in another thread, but if you believed in the arm talent of Goff and Wentz before the draft, I still think you would play that card out because special arm talent is hard to find. But Dak would have to be no worse than the 3rd QB taken now, and likely a first rounder. Great value from the 4th, obviously.

Do you take pride in being the biggest troll on this forum? "3rd QB taken now", "Likely a first rounder". If the draft was a do over today he would be selected in the top 5 picks, way before your boy Goff.
 

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Performance wise Dak is better.


Most people like Wentz better than Dak if all things are = because Wentz has protypical everything. He's an elite talent. Aaron Rodgers in Big Bens body.

You give Wentz the best OL in pro football, the leagues leading rusher, a top slot WR, Jason Witten, and Dez Bryant and you will see his game improve as well.
Ridiculous hyperbole aside, I'm not seeing a single statistic here. Jason Witten is 100. Dez hasn't played half the season and the OL has been missing guys all year. Yet if you take out one piece from Philly Big Carson Rodgers has folded like a cheap suit.
 

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Performance wise Dak is better.


Most people like Wentz better than Dak if all things are = because Wentz has protypical everything. He's an elite talent. Aaron Rodgers in Big Bens body.

You give Wentz the best OL in pro football, the leagues leading rusher, a top slot WR, Jason Witten, and Dez Bryant and you will see his game improve as well.

You can say the same about Brady and Aaron Rodgers. Name me a QB that's winning with trash around him.

There hasn't been one who's won anything with trash around them.
 

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Given the same overall talent around the QB, if you have great team chemistry with Dak, and they do, why would you want Wentz? Great chemistry is so hard to find!
 

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You can say the same about Brady and Aaron Rodgers. Name me a QB that's winning with trash around him.

There hasn't been one who's won anything with trash around them.



Offensively.. We've seen some bad teams have success in the playoffs just because they either had great coaching, QB play, or defense.

The year Rodgers won his Superbowl they may have been the most banged up team in pro football.

Brady has carried a number of jags with him to superbowls.
 

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Do you take pride in being the biggest troll on this forum? "3rd QB taken now", "Likely a first rounder". If the draft was a do over today he would be selected in the top 5 picks, way before your boy Goff.
There isn't anything unreasonable about what I said. Goff and Wentz were far and away the best prospects and nothing has happened to change that if that's what your scouts believed in the first place. I think you are just being irritable because Romo returned to practice. Somebody give baby a bottle.
 

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Ridiculous hyperbole aside, I'm not seeing a single statistic here. Jason Witten is 100. Dez hasn't played half the season and the OL has been missing guys all year. Yet if you take out one piece from Philly Big Carson Rodgers has folded like a cheap suit.


Eh.. You may be right but I like what we've put out there.

Make no mistake.. Ezekiel Elliot and the OL are the reason for the season.

Ezekiel Elliot is budding into a NFL superstar and that has helped us out more than anything with all of our high salary guys missing time.
 

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To me, this debate is like Aikman vs. Favre (though not in terms of draft position).

I think most NFL evaluators would have chosen Favre over Aikman because of the same factors as Dak vs, Wentz.

Favre basically was his franchise. He was more dynamic and put up bigger numbers. Aikman had his offensive line, Emmitt, Irvin and a stout defense and road them to glory.

But ... WHO CARES!?!? Aikman is considered great because of his leadership, toughness and accuracy and THREE SUPER BOWL RINGS!!!

Favre has one, and - in my opinion - he should have had more. But because he thought it all revolved around him, he would make a great play followed by a stupid, careless play, and his team would get bounced from the playoffs.

I don't care if GM's think Wentz is better because Dak has more weapons. Aikman had more weapons too. And he made the most of them. Even though he was a part of the whole, we're not getting three Super Bowls without him. Similarly, even though Dak is a part of the whole, we're not going 5-1 without him.

I really don't care if folks think Wentz is better. He's not on this team. Keep on winning, Dak, and the rest about who is best will take care of itself.
The best is subjective in my opinion. For example, a guy with a terrific arm and superb accuracy but not smart at football scenarios will fail. A tall QB with a strong arm my try to fit balls where it doesn't belong. Where as, a guy with a lessor arm and smarter may try to avoid those situations, and get the yards. It's important to play smart football. Getting out of bounds when the clock is running down is a smart football play, unlike what Williams did.

In the grand scheme of them, smart QB play is what's going to win you a Super Bowl. There's a reason why people are considering Tom Brady to be the best QB ever. Very smart QB. In other words, I agree with you.
 

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I'd still rather have Dak. While time will tell who is better, I feel Dak is a much better for this this team.
 

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Offensively.. We've seen some bad teams have success in the playoffs just because they either had great coaching, QB play, or defense.

The year Rodgers won his Superbowl they may have been the most banged up team in pro football.

Brady has carried a number of jags with him to superbowls.

Brady had the best defense in football those back to back years, and he had receivers open all over the field, thanks to the genius of Bill Belichick. Brady didn't get touched in that SB vs Carolina. He played pitch and catch with open receivers all night, but its all Brady. He's benefited from being in the greatest situation a QB has ever been in the same way Dak is benefiting from the situation he fell into.

The year Rodgers won the SB was the year he got to play a soft Falcons team, Jay Cutler, and the equivalent of the 96 Cowboys or the 96 49ers in the 2010 Steelers. And he had TONS of weapons. Jordy Nelson wasn't even a starter then.
 
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To me, this kind of feels like one of those situations where there will always be some people who think Wentz is better because he was a #2 pick and Dak was a 4th rounder. Kind of like how for years and years people would rank lesser QB's over Romo and bring up that Tony was undrafted for a reason.
 
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