ESPN Insider: Polling NFL execs: Would you rather have Wentz or Prescott?

[rd26]

Ok RS I'm offering you Paxton Lynch for Raine Dakota straight up.

Deal or no deal?

 

[Boyzmamacita]

I refuse to watch the game until Bryan Broaddus is fired.

See, he has an opinion that I don't agree with and I'm wittle and stuff.

You are definitely wittle and stuff, touting another team's QB ad nauseum like some 2 year old. We get it. Wentz is your boy. Now calm down.

 

[jazzcat22]

In a pure all things equal poll, I'd take Wentz over Dak right now however I'd take Zeke plus Dak plus keeping all our picks 1000x over Wentz. Getting a potential HOFer RB and a franchise QB in the same draft is almost unfair, it's up there with getting Romo and Miles as UDFAs or Brady with a sixth round pick. It's lucky, although I believe you largely make you own luck. And I'd take Dak with my fourth I've him too. Ha

Not for us getting them, it is very fair....

 

[Boyzmamacita]

I thought I saw two other guys get beat up with Dak in that video.

Exactly. His teammates were being beaten too so how they help each other?

 

[RedLine]

...the other factor is the team he is on and how they play and who is around him -- the offensive line, his tight end and receivers and the way they can run the ball," the former GM said. "All those things have made this the perfect spot for him that way. He has a really good group around him...

I hate this argument! I have heard it several times and it sounds logical on the face of it. However, how can all these people forget LAST SEASON? The Cowboys had all of that last season and went 1-11 without Romo. Now, I realize Zeke is an upgrade at running back, but Darren McFadden had over 1,000 yards rushing while starting in only 10 games. So, the running game was not the issue. We had a checkdown charlie offense that put us behind in games and the defense took a lot of the blame for not getting turnovers. Well guess what, teams don't need to take chances when they are in the lead.

The quarterback play of Dak Prescott has had the most impact on this 2016 season for the Cowboys.

 

[Gameover]

Which is why you can't help but wonder how a QB like Tony Romo would do if a 4th round Rookie is playing like this.

And if we throw Kevin Durant into everything we already have, we become a super team and maybe win 78 games.

And some would wonder how were a better defensive team without Greg Hardy.

I actually think most overlook the fact that Dak gets rid of the ball quickly(something Romo still hasn't learned) and his accuracy on his short passes is looked at as "any QB can do that", when Romo hasn't always been good at that.

Check it out at 0:08:

 

[tyke1doe]

"Dak fell because [while] he was a leader who loved the game, he had the DUI, and when he got beat up during spring break in Panama City, his teammates did not help him in the fight," a personnel director said. "Some wondered, 'Hey, if he is such a leader, why did they not help him?'"


You always wonder how guys go undrafted or get passed over in the draft. Stupid stuff like this is why. What on earth does this have to do with whether or not the guy can play?

I was thinking the same thing. That personnel director is just plain dumb. Probably from the Cleveland Browns.

 

[Dale]

I said this in another thread, but if you believed in the arm talent of Goff and Wentz before the draft, I still think you would play that card out because special arm talent is hard to find. But Dak would have to be no worse than the 3rd QB taken now, and likely a first rounder. Great value from the 4th, obviously.

Totally agree. Wentz's measurables were better across the board pre-draft, and given the similar level of play to Dak, it's hard to argue with anyone who would still prefer Wentz.

I just love the fact this discussion can even take place. Really hopeful that we landed a good one.

 

[CATCH17]

The guys around Dak weren't so great without Dak last season. It's basically the same supporting cast. Granted, Zeke is an upgrade over McFadden who played well last year.

Playcalling is better. Not as predictable and we aren't playing not to lose.

 

[jazzcat22]

I think overall it's a fair assessment at this point even if a lot of it is based on assumptions. I do believe by the end of the season though, there will be more clarity of which quarterback was better.

Right now, it's easy to assume Dak benefits from having Elliot and the offensive line with him, but they forget how bad this team was last year with a solid running game, the same offensive line basically (Collins/Leary) and how the team could not win without Romo. Just like I think it is also easy to overlook the fact that Wentz has benefited from his team's special teams and defensive play.

Once the season has played out, it will be easier to gauge where both quarterbacks are.

Yes, good post.
Both will be judged some as part of what the teams accomplish.
I think Wentz will have a good career, but what about the team he will be surrounded with. As you posted, the defense and ST's are helping. Just as Seattle's helped Wilson. Who was good and is now getting better.
Dak is prospering from this offense, and as a team when the defense gets help will be even better. And he too will have a good career.

Which ever team though has more success and if they win in the playoffs, that QB will be considered better after one year. Regardless of stats if they are about even.
But this will be a debate for years to come. It just depends on the overall teams success.

 

[tyke1doe]

True, but some things are telling.

For instance, the fact that Connor Cook was not voted to be a team captain at Michigan State tells me something. I'm so glad Dallas wasn't successful at trading up for him.

I never heard the story of his teammates not helping him in a fight. Did he start it? I wonder what that story was.

There are a whole lot of rumors around about that issue and no one knows for certain. But even if his teammates didn't help him, I think that's significantly different than your teammates not voting you captain. One is an off-field issue, the other is an on-field issue.

 

[Gameover]

Playcalling is better. Not as predictable and we aren't playing not to lose.

Don't buy that crap. If the PC is better its because the QB is capable of doing more.

 

[tyke1doe]

I don't even know if "all these weapons" is a real argument honestly. Its zeke and the other guys. Everyone's playing extremely well but no one (outside of Dallas) was singing the praises of butler, Beasley, t will etc.

Philly has a dangerous player in sproles, Mathews, a first round wr , 2 2nd rounders, ertz. There's talent there. Could definitely be considered "weapons" in the right situation

With all due respect, PU-LEEZE!!!

Mathew is not an elite back. He's been average for most of his career. Sprouls is a third-down back at most. Shifty in open field, but no one fears Sprouls.

Dak has more weapons than Wentz, including the offensive line, which is arguably the best in the league.

Even you know this which is why you said they could be "considered weapons in the right situation".

 

[tyke1doe]

Yeah, there's really no comparison. Wentz is just a superior player and human being. Sounds like a superior fighter too.

Don't ever change.

 

[CATCH17]

Don't buy that crap. If the PC is better its because the QB is capable of doing more.

Ah... well when your predictable as we were last year NFL defenses will shut that down.

This is the first year I can remember our offense actually making the defense play on their heels.

I've never seen defenses bust so many plays like they are right now just leaving guys wide open.

You cheat against our run and we make you pay.. I've never seen that the last couple of years with any kind of consistency.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Playcalling is better. Not as predictable and we aren't playing not to lose.

Play calling is exactly the same. Linehan and Garrett are the same playcallers they e been.

 

[tyke1doe]

To me, this debate is like Aikman vs. Favre (though not in terms of draft position).

I think most NFL evaluators would have chosen Favre over Aikman because of the same factors as Dak vs, Wentz.

Favre basically was his franchise. He was more dynamic and put up bigger numbers. Aikman had his offensive line, Emmitt, Irvin and a stout defense and road them to glory.

But ... WHO CARES!?!? Aikman is considered great because of his leadership, toughness and accuracy and THREE SUPER BOWL RINGS!!!

Favre has one, and - in my opinion - he should have had more. But because he thought it all revolved around him, he would make a great play followed by a stupid, careless play, and his team would get bounced from the playoffs.

I don't care if GM's think Wentz is better because Dak has more weapons. Aikman had more weapons too. And he made the most of them. Even though he was a part of the whole, we're not getting three Super Bowls without him. Similarly, even though Dak is a part of the whole, we're not going 5-1 without him.

I really don't care if folks think Wentz is better. He's not on this team. Keep on winning, Dak, and the rest about who is best will take care of itself.

 

[Idgit]

Totally agree. Wentz's measurables were better across the board pre-draft, and given the similar level of play to Dak, it's hard to argue with anyone who would still prefer Wentz.

I just love the fact this discussion can even take place. Really hopeful that we landed a good one.

Thing is, their level of play was more similar early in the season than it has been lately. There's a long way to go, let's see where they both end up. Wentz is a good rookie QB, but he's still got a ways to go on his own mechanics and decision making. How these guys continue to improve ends up answering the question of who's better. For me, give me the guy with the better production and we can put aside the qualifiers. Better offense or not, Dak's out played the other rookie QBs to this point of the season. The rest doesn't really matter as long as he keeps getting better and better.

 

[Proof]

With all due respect, PU-LEEZE!!!

Mathew is not an elite back. He's been average for most of his career. Sprouls is a third-down back at most. Shifty in open field, but no one fears Sprouls.

Dak has more weapons than Wentz, including the offensive line, which is arguably the best in the league.

Even you know this which is why you said they could be "considered weapons in the right situation".

Zeke and the offensive line are critical and anyone would be lucky to have them.

Philly has talented skill players that don't produce. Our guys produce. That's the biggest difference Imo

 

[ShiningStar]

i am glad with how the draft played out. As another posted about, we got EE and Dak vs just getting Wentz. Perfect way to put it.

The coaching staff has been doing great, but i think the biggest fact from last season to this season has been Pollack, I think the Oline is playing better this season than last season. Penalties are down, they are imposing their will, they have been playing to their caliber.