News: ESPN: Jason Garrett: Tony Romo is healing up

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Back by game 3 or 4. Book it

Remember, this guy had to be restrained by a trainer from running back onto the field with a broken collarbone. He's gonna get back out there as fast as he can.

I hope the trainers/team doctors keep him off the field until they know he's ready.
 

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Or you could just say he is old and injury prone. Is that possible as well? Certainly more plausible then you running around trying to make up any kind of excuse in the book that he isnt injury prone.

Or we could just look at the facts

-He has a bad back
-He is 36 years old
-The last 2 years he has been injured

Or maybe there is some obscure medical reason for it other than he is old and brittle? But as you say you.....................you have unsubstantiated views of those obscure medical reasons.

It's really not very complicated. He's got a chronic back condition which puts him at an elevated risk for reinjury.

He's also sustained multiple broken or fractured bones over the course of his career. He's played through any of them that could be played through. The two collarbones could not be played through. Yes, I consider the fact that he broke two collarbones to be mostly unlucky. That's a bone that takes 7 pounds of pressure to snap. If you want to pretend his age made the collarbones more brittle to the point where they're snapping with, say, 6 pounds of pressure instead, be my guess. It's a ludicrous thing to believe, but I won't try to stop you. The fact remains that no matter what procedures or what bone density he's got, if he gets driven into the ground with more than 7 pounds of force on the collarbone, it's going to snap. It's not exactly crazy to believe that happened to him twice in a ten year playing career.
 

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You are partially right, but mostly wrong. I was listening to a former NFL team doctor on NFL radio a week or so ago. The Romo injury was being discussed. The doctor said the injury had NOTHING to do with Tony getting older and becoming more "brittle". He said a 36 year old does not have or develop brittle bones and indicated it was ridiculous to even pose such a theory. There's no doubt that healing time increases with age, but all of Tony's injuries are simply the result of playing a brutal game and having bad luck. The hit that broke a bone in his back this time was caused due to the position Tony was in when he got hit, which was beginning a slide to the turf. The lineman came down on him when he was basically in a sitting position while still a foot off the ground. He was basically in a bent position and had 280 lbs. come crashing down on him and pounding him to the turf. The same thing would have most likely happened to a 22 year old in the same position. All of Tony's injuries have happened due to happenstance. He was slammed to the turf and broke his collarbone (twice). It's just the nature of the game.

I didn't see this earlier, but, yes, this is what's going on. On top of the actual chronic back issue Tony's got, of course.
 

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It's really not very complicated. He's got a chronic back condition which puts him at an elevated risk for reinjury.

He's also sustained multiple broken or fractured bones over the course of his career. He's played through any of them that could be played through. The two collarbones could not be played through. Yes, I consider the fact that he broke two collarbones to be mostly unlucky. That's a bone that takes 7 pounds of pressure to snap. If you want to pretend his age made the collarbones more brittle to the point where they're snapping with, say, 6 pounds of pressure instead, be my guess. It's a ludicrous thing to believe, but I won't try to stop you. The fact remains that no matter what procedures or what bone density he's got, if he gets driven into the ground with more than 7 pounds of force on the collarbone, it's going to snap. It's not exactly crazy to believe that happened to him twice in a ten year playing career.

Everything you are saying there adds up to the term injury prone. You just dont want to say it.

But thats fine I dont need you to say it. Ill just put it like this then:

The older Romo gets the more unlucky he seems to be with injuries.

The net result is the same. Romo isnt playing AGAIN and counting on him to be our starter all year long is getting harder and harder to do.
 

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I didn't see this earlier, but, yes, this is what's going on. On top of the actual chronic back issue Tony's got, of course.

So the "chronic" bad back doesnt make him more injury prone it just makes him more unlucky right?

So does his style of play make him more injury prone?
 

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I'm sure Romo wants to heal up pretty quick knowing for the first time in his starting career that he has a young gun who might take his job. For the first time in Romo's 10 years as the starter he has someone challenging for his job. Romo's inability to stay healthy has given Dak a great opportunity to be the starting QB heading into 2017 and beyond if he has a solid rookie season.
 

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Remember, this guy had to be restrained by a trainer from running back onto the field with a broken collarbone. He's gonna get back out there as fast as he can.

I hope the trainers/team doctors keep him off the field until they know he's ready.
Oh I agree, I hope Tony is smart.. for his and his family's sake. I just think the competitive nature of Tony is going to overrule any conservatism he might have
 

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So the "chronic" bad back doesnt make him more injury prone it just makes him more unlucky right?

So does his style of play make him more injury prone?

The chronic back injury makes him more prone to reinjury. Not sure how to be clearer about that, but that's my best shot.

It's just unrelated to the bone injuries. And it's been a known limitation since, what, 2013?

His style of play also subjects him to more hits, which I've also said many time in many threads. Welcome to football.
 

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The chronic back injury makes him more prone to reinjury. Not sure how to be clearer about that, but that's my best shot.

It's just unrelated to the bone injuries. And it's been a known limitation since, what, 2013?

His style of play also subjects him to more hits, which I've also said many time in many threads. Welcome to football.

Ok so the chronic back injury makes injury prone to his back, but not the back bone is that correct? The BONE part was pure bad luck correct?

And the way his style of play makes him more susceptible to hits, but taking more hits doesnt make him more susceptible to injury?

So basically it doenst matter how old or young you are, or what position you play or how you play the game. The only thing that matters in injury is luck and the simple fact that football is a tough sport?
 

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The chronic back injury makes him more prone to reinjury. Not sure how to be clearer about that, but that's my best shot.

It's just unrelated to the bone injuries. And it's been a known limitation since, what, 2013?

His style of play also subjects him to more hits, which I've also said many time in many threads. Welcome to football.

You can agree that he is now hurt again for the 2nd year in a row? And that he has now been injured 3 times over the course of 2.5 full games and 2 drives in preseason correct?
 

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That would probably be exactly the opposite of what would happen. The people saying Romo will likely be back on the early end of the (media's) 6-10 week timeline (and I'm one of those) aren't the types to second-guess the team just because a calculated risk didn't turn out. The people who are implicitly critical of Romo right now are the same ones who are constantly explicitly critical of every decision the team makes. That's kind of how it works out.



You really think a 36 year old male's bones break more frequently because of age? That boggles my mind. If we're talking soft-tissue injuries, or a chronic recurrence of a significant back or shoulder problem, I could see where you were coming from. Or if it were some sort of medical-induced condition that's potentially causing the fractures. But as far as we know, Tony's got the same skeleton he had when he was 26, and his age being in his 30's has no bearing on whether or not bones are more likely to break.

The cause of the breaks is big men landing on him. Just like with any other QB.



There are still a ton of people who defend him. Including his players, staff, ownership, and a good subset of the fans who pay attention to the things that actually get NFL teams beat.

What surprises me more is how large the percentage of fans is who ignore the more obvious problems their own eyes and even a cursory review of the game data ought to tell them and instead just generalize that, "if there are problems, they have to be at the top."

Last year everyone said Romo was "fine" when we brought him back from the broken collarbone and how collarbones 'heal after 6-7 weeks' or whatever so now further damage would be done. Then Romo breaks it again and to save face from having Romo seem injury prone those same people said "he was rushed back too soon" only after it broke again

In all fairness people said the same for Dez. That he was healed. Then when he had surgery their tune changed.

All I'm saying is that some people are just believing what they want with this injury because they don't want to think of this team without Romo when the fact is it will be happening sooner than we think. Which isn't a good thing for the team by any means because Romo is a top 5 Qb when healthy. But it's time to start seeing reality...
 

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Ok so the chronic back injury makes injury prone to his back, but not the back bone is that correct? The BONE part was pure bad luck correct?

Correct. His problem he has had in no way shape or forms makes his bones more likely to break.

And the way his style of play makes him more susceptible to hits, but taking more hits doesnt make him more susceptible to injury?

I don't believe his style of play really makes him more susceptible to hits. His injuries have not come on any of his crazy plays where he's spinning out of the pocket, with the exception of the disc issue, and he wasn't hit there. Most of his injuries have come from when he was in the pocket. Most of the time his style of play prevents hits more than subjects him to more. The problems this team has had with blitz pickup at times has really left him vulnerable though.

Broken hand - standing in the pocket. A break is not unusual for the hit sustained.
Broken collar bone - delivering a strike from the pocket (missed block by RB). Full weight of defender on his shoulder. A break is not unusual for the hit sustained.
Broken rib - Delivering a strike from the pocket. A break is not unusual for the hit sustained.
Broken hand - Hand is hit while throwing from the pocket. A break is not unusual for the hit sustained.
Disc issue - ccurred while escaping a defender - not the result of a hit. This is not typical - No subsequent injuries or missed time (after last game that season) as a result.
Traverse process - standing in the pocket - took a knee to the back when trying to brace for the hit. A break is not unusual for the hit sustained
Collar bone - Going for a loose ball. Full weight of defender landing on his shoulder. A break is not unusual for the hit sustained
Collar bone - in pocket (wasn't fully healed). Hit not as strong as previous hits, but bone was not healed and more likely to break.
Compression fracture - Attempting to make the safe play. Exited pocket to open area and went to slide well before reaching defenders - crushed from behind (Thanks Doug). Break is not unusual for the hit sustained.

So basically it doenst matter how old or young you are, or what position you play or how you play the game. The only thing that matters in injury is luck and the simple fact that football is a tough sport?

If you don't believe chance plays a role in anything, then there's nothing to debate (on any topic, especially football). Look at each case individually. Are there any that stand out where it seems unlikely or implausible that someone would suffer a break in those circumstances? If you don't even want to consider the question because nobody should know, then you probably shouldn't try to act like you have any idea about his health and ability to go on in the future.
 

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Watch Tapper closely. He has an unstable spine and won't play a down this year. That won't work out this year. Remember everyone is day to day until the truth has to come out.

Seriously. Do you even follow this team or do you just randomly troll?
I guess he doesn't remember Greg Ellis, Jay Ratliff, Miles Austin, Tony Romo, Tony Romo, Dez Bryant etc......
 

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lol. Which they should!! Tony is at the end. Lets hope Prescott shines or get ready to draft a franchise QB with a VERY high pick next draft!! Still can not use the name Dak...it is just too Brokeback Mountain for me...;)
So if he fails, we should draft a QB high in the 1st? So what if the new guy fails in his first year?

I'm hoping the front office doesn't see things this way. To me, you have to give a rookie time to get it together.
 
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