ESPN - Turner to be named HC of Chargers

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I'm sure we 'failed' to get Norv. I'm sure he would have been devestated to actually have been offered the HC position here.

Watch, during the draft, Berman will say that we'll have failed to secure one of the elite players in the draft and also failed at securing one of the last picks in round one meaning we suck.
 

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CATCH17;1382977 said:
Henry is better than Jammer but that kid Cromartie that they drafted out of Florida State is going to be a baller in my opinion.

That kid is big and is just a freak athlete.

henry isnt better then any average cb in the league. he's big for a cb and yet plays weak. what ever happened to this aggressive style of play parcells spoke about? henry is one of the few cowboys that i would love if they just dropped. settle for your loss and move on.
 

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CATCH17;1382985 said:
Norv is going to make Rivers a better Quarterback plain and simple and if your like me I believe football is all about the Quarterback position for the most part.

If you get good Quarterback play you can make up for a lot of bad things that go on around you.

Rivers is already pretty good but I think Norv is going to take him to the next level.

The Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Carson Palmer type level.

Plus Norvs play action game with LT as his Running back? Its going to be fun to watch that team play.
My guess is that Norv won't improve upon a 14-2 season and a pro-bowl birth by the QB who had a 92 QB rating.

There's really no place to go but down. That doesn't mean they won't have a "successful" season, of course.
 

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LatinMind;1382990 said:
henry isnt better then any average cb in the league. he's big for a cb and yet plays weak. what ever happened to this aggressive style of play parcells spoke about? henry is one of the few cowboys that i would love if they just dropped. settle for your loss and move on.

I dont understand why. Hes one of the best #2 cornerbacks in the league and when he is healthy hes a playmaker out there for us on defense.

I think a lot of teams would love to have someone as good as Henry as their #1 corner much less #2.
 

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CATCH17;1383001 said:
I dont understand why. Hes one of the best #2 cornerbacks in the league and when he is healthy hes a playmaker out there for us on defense.

I think a lot of teams would love to have someone as good as Henry as their #1 corner much less #2.

thats the thing he's never healthy. since he's been in the league he's had some sort of issue with his legs. if that doesnt sound like a chrinic injury issue nothing does.

henry clearly isnt a #1 cb. and is a average #2. he would be better without the injuries. and me i think thats his downfall. his body is just beatdown with them injuries

actually dallas has already been down this road before with kevin smith. very good cb but dallas never really got to see how good he could have been because he always had a nagging injury
 

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theogt;1382996 said:
My guess is that Norv won't improve upon a 14-2 season and a pro-bowl birth by the QB who had a 92 QB rating.

There's really no place to go but down. That doesn't mean they won't have a "successful" season, of course.

Yeah I agree. 14-2 is tough and I dont think you could hire the best coach of all time and necessarily go 14-2.

You have to get lucky a lot to go 14-2 in the NFL and if you watched some of the Chargers games you know that luck shined on them a lot in the regular season.

I doubt Norv or any coach for that matter would go 14-2 with them next year but I think you will see an improved offense and a better more efficient Quarterback.
 

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If any Charger fans are reading this, you have my deepest sympathies.
 

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zrinkill;1382738 said:
League "experts" will call it a brilliant move .....

I wonder if they will say that Norv is a puppet there?

Doubtful.

They will claim it is great because he "knows Tomlinson and their offense". No doubt they call it a great fit.

Imbeciles.
 

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VA Cowboy;1382973 said:
You're so full of yourself :lmao2:

<sarcasm>what can i say? you're just too unbiased and honest for me and i can't keep up.</sarcasm>
 

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Woods;1382978 said:
Exactly.

At least it makes a team in the NFC a bit weaker.

I wonder if Norv takes a couple of his assistants as well?

Yeah and that's a good thing, especially being the 49ers.

I just feel bad for the Chargers. I'd actually like to see Norv redeem himself, but my guess is SD will gradually regress.
 

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VA Cowboy;1383034 said:
Yeah and that's a good thing, especially being the 49ers.

I just feel bad for the Chargers. I'd actually like to see Norv redeem himself, but my guess is SD will gradually regress.
When the starting point is 14-2, regression is almost a forgone conclusion.
 

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Hostile;1383037 said:
When the starting point is 14-2, regression is almost a forgone conclusion.

True...but then again, hiring Norv pretty much makes it that too.

But it's not just the 14-2, it's the getting past the divisional round of the playoffs. I wouldn't consider going 12-4 and making it to the AFC championship game or SB wouldn't a regression, so it's not just about the overall record.

I can't see Norv getting them past the divisional round. It may be tough for them to even get that far.
 

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VA Cowboy;1383046 said:
True...but then again, hiring Norv pretty much makes it that too.

But it's not just the 14-2, it's the getting past the divisional round of the playoffs. I wouldn't consider going 12-4 and making it to the AFC championship game or SB wouldn't a regression, so it's not just about the overall record.

I can't see Norv getting them past the divisional round. It may be tough for them to even get that far.

14-2 is by many counts a "dream season". hard to come by, no guarantee of "superbowl" and even harder to repeat. i'd wager a high majority of the SD fans would have loved 11-5, 12-4 and a trip to the superbowl. as you note, progress can be a variety of things, not limited to the final overall record. luck simply plays a huge role in a 14-2 record. breaks on calls, ball bounces your way more often than not, relatively injury free...

bad snap/hold we know too well.

i just don't see how you can lose your HC, OC and DC and keep up any form of momentum that 14-2 would have brought you. it's a brand new game in san deigo and a bad time to shell your staff and start over.
 

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LatinMind;1382940 said:
they're hate blinds then. let them be. misery loves company
It's not hate, it's a case of paying attention for the last decade or so. Norv, bless his heart, simply isn't head coaching material.


Schottenheimer_(21 seasons, 13 postseason appearances)

Reg. Season 200-126-1, postseason 5-13

Turner_(9 seasons, 1 postseason appearance)

Reg. Season 58-82-1, postseason 1-1

I fail to see how any reasonable person can consider this an upgrade.
 

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I haven't read through this entire thread, but wasn't Norv the OC of the Chargers before?

This is obviously a familar higher by the owner and GM. I'm surprised all those people who were ragging on the Cowboys for considering Norv aren't ragging on the Chargers for holding onto the past.
 

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BlueStar22;1382726 said:
lol, but everyone around the league was laughing at us when we were pursuing Norv. I wonder what the league reaction will be.


Great hire, best coach available, he is not a puppet etc

Signed

Media who laughed at us signing him
 

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SultanOfSix;1383069 said:
I haven't read through this entire thread, but wasn't Norv the OC of the Chargers before?

Why, yes...yes he was.

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SultanOfSix;1383069 said:
This is obviously a familar higher by the owner and GM. I'm surprised all those people who were ragging on the Cowboys for considering Norv aren't ragging on the Chargers for holding onto the past.

Maybe Spanos and Smith just wanted to save money on coaches shirts? :)
 

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SultanOfSix;1383069 said:
I haven't read through this entire thread, but wasn't Norv the OC of the Chargers before?

This is obviously a familar higher by the owner and GM. I'm surprised all those people who were ragging on the Cowboys for considering Norv aren't ragging on the Chargers for holding onto the past.

some people get the tunnel vision going and what's bad for 1 is ok for another. they can have reasons for that and to a degree, i'd agree. but in the end i'm more the kind of person that right and wrong are pretty plain and you don't mix/match or justify it to suit my desired outcome.

if norv is a bad hire, he's a bad hire. if they're "puppet material" that's what they are regardless of where they go.

i had to put down a lot of hate for TO and just see what TO did/does and in the end i found a lot of it to be fabricated/lies the media just lobs out cause they need a dinnertime shocker.

now what makes that happen is TO does bring it upon himself but the media carries it too far.

jones brings his critisizm down upon himself, but then some let all the rain fall only on jones regardless of what he's doing is standard or "meddling".

i'm not an "all or nothing" person even though i do tend to see things in black and white. that alone is a pretty interesting contradiction and makes me harder to understand at times. something for me to work on, i know.

jones makes his share of mistakes - but everything he does isn't a mistake.

but due to past history and how involved some people get, they can and will see things in just such a light. partially earned, partially carried too far. but in the end, that's what people will see.
 

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Here's the bottom line. Jerry cannot win. The deck is stacked.

The Chargers interviewed virtually the exact same candidates Jerry did. He didn't know what he was doing. They do.

Jerry hired Garrett before he hired the Head Coach. He's meddling. Word is AJ Smith wanted Ted Cottrell as DC, it's evidence he knows talent.

If Marty had been fired before we hired Wade, he would be their Head Coach and it would be a good hire. Wade is just Jerry's new puppet here as he returns to his old ways.

If Jerry had hired Norv, he would have been Jerry's new puppet and the whole interview process was a sham. Norv will transform Phillip Rivers into a gem at QB and be great for LT.

If The Chargers win it all, and they could with that team, Jerry should have hired Norv.

If the Cowboys win it all it will be because of the team Parcells built.

If the Chargers defense struggles, it will be because Norv doesn't know enough about defense, it will have nothing to do with Wade being gone. If their offense struggles it will be proof that Jerry was looking at horrible coaching candidates.

Did I miss anything?
 

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Hostile;1383098 said:
Here's the bottom line. Jerry cannot win. The deck is stacked.

The Chargers interviewed virtually the exact same candidates Jerry did. He didn't know what he was doing. They do.

Jerry hired Garrett before he hired the Head Coach. He's meddling. Word is AJ Smith wanted Ted Cottrell as DC, it's evidence he knows talent.

If Marty had been fired before we hired Wade, he would be their Head Coach and it would be a good hire. Wade is just Jerry's new puppet here as he returns to his old ways.

If Jerry had hired Norv, he would have been Jerry's new puppet and the whole interview process was a sham. Norv will transform Phillip Rivers into a gem at QB and be great for LT.

If The Chargers win it all, and they could with that team, Jerry should have hired Norv.

If the Cowboys win it all it will be because of the team Parcells built.

If the Chargers defense struggles, it will be because Norv doesn't know enough about defense, it will have nothing to do with Wade being gone. If their offense struggles it will be proof that Jerry was looking at horrible coaching candidates.

Did I miss anything?

That pretty much covers it.

Message boards have more 2nd guessers than anything else out there so anything Jerry was going to do is going to be wrong regardless of anything.

Dale Hansen has brainwashed a lot of these people but HES NOT GETTING TO ME!

Norv is in a good spot in San Diego and i'd be shocked if he doesnt have success there and I wouldve been shocked if he didnt have success here in Dallas.

Main reason I think that is because both teams have good young Quarterbacks to build around in my opinion.
 
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